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06-28-2011 09:36 AM |
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Originally Posted by criticaldotnet
(Post 18245214)
What in your mind is a reasonable amount of ips? IpV4 might be running out but you also got to understand more and more company's are turning in legacy space, and arin, ripe and others are slowly taking ips over from company's that are dead.
IPV6 may be the future but it is still years away. Most of this country, not to mention most of the world does not have equipment to handle IPv6 and the reason why it is continued to be delayed is because of the cost to prepare the networks for IPv6 (Routers, Man Hours)
I say this personally. I think it is wrong for any host to deny IPv4 if the space is available and a customer has a legit reason to use it. I am sick and tired of these games on how ARIN is not handing out new IP Space, and or a host to tell a client they do not need that much ip space and bully them into either putting up with it or moving.
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You of all people should be one to understand this theory, instead of making everything a big sales/marketing stunt everywhere why don't you take a step back and look at things?
When was the last time you applied for IP space? behind holders of 3x /20's and a /19 we recently applied for another /19 but were denied and only given a /21 thats 3 months of usage/growth. ARIN is only allocating IP space based on your 3 month growth expectation. So if you are burning IP space to customers for no reason they are going to flat out deny you ip space. Why? because they can and they will. It is MUCH harder to obtain IP space now. New companies must provide fully executed documents with their 2+ upstream networks AND colocation facility(where applies) to just prove that they are taking space and qualify for IP space now.
Cost to deploy a network for IPv6 is minimal. I can guarantee our network is larger and more complex than yours due to the amount of office buildings we service and our fiber network. You know how long it took us to turn up our IPv6 BGP/OSPF mesh on our backbone like our IPv4 space? Just under 4 hours to do all the configurations on the equipment. So please don't give me the excuse ohhh the time it takes to deploy and the routers.. because any network in todays world that is running a network with full IPv4 routes is MORE than capable of running IPv6 right now at the same time. This being given a minimum of a csico 6500 series running 720-3bxl gear. Nothing else in the cisco world that is smaller than that device will support less than a full routing table.
What is defined as "legit" surely there is no law to dictate how IP space can be used or should be used. the RIR's use 'technical justification' in other word in their eyese are you handling this properly? Arin fully expects you to issue a /29 to each user at the minimum. Which frankly is a fair amount of usable IP space. 5 usable IPs is more than enough for many users. While ARIN is taking back legacy space, if you actually paid attention to ARIN's policy and news you would know they "hold" the ip space for 6 months. So this means the request queue will simply fill up. Now this game has turned into a lottory. When IP space becomes available will you get your share? Maybe.. Maybe not.
So this then turns into a business decision. You can either A. give someone a bunch of ips for free or charge them very minimal for it. or charge them modest.. or simply not give them IP's at all. What does your company the best? Do you make more per customer based on default allocations? What happens when you run out of space but you got a couple /24's sitting around being used by these customers and you have a large contract to fill that simply uses minimal IP space per machine and frankly you make more with this new contract because well they are paying for a large box and bandwidth. What do you do? reclaim IP space and piss off a customer who has been there for years? Or turn down the contract? Simply because you can't get additional IP space from ARIN. And more than likely your up-streams wont give you IP space either because you are a BGP customer with your own space.
The major limitation of IPv6 right now is the firewall companies/venders. Which is quickly being resolved due to pressure by large networks. Once this is "resolved" IPv6 will be more widely adapted. Home network devices will start adapting to IPv6 and more and more use will start happening. If you look at the IPv6 routing table it is growing at an exponential rate since last year, its going gangbusters on growth.
So go a head and give all your ip space to customers. We have always been known as a not so friendly for SEO hosting because we are strict on IP usage. And frankly I am fine with that. Simply means no one is going to risk doing anything to blacklist our ranges with serps and a slew of other problems that come with it. |
