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iwantchixx · 06-22-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

You have confused us with a service... we are a business...

and affiliates are not? or are we just expendable services? Lets face it, without affiliates you programs would be nothing (aside from the few with internal traffic generation)

As a business you should realize that condescending tones towards affiliates who are frustrated will land you in nowhere'svilles in the long term.

iwantchixx · 06-22-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by gleem

So you want instant approval, instant access to galleries, no paxum or wire payout (I assume check then), and galleries you can preview when doing a dump?

Seems like 80% of programs have this, usually it's just ccbill programs that don't and you are losing 10 to 20% of your sales using ccbill anyways.

I guess my program should work for you.

Shit.. forgot about your guys. Thanks lol. I have an account with you guy from awhile back I believe. I'm spending the whole day just organizing niches from every sponsor I have right now and never going hunting again so I'm glad you chirped in then lol

gleem · 06-22-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Shit.. forgot about your guys. Thanks lol. I have an account with you guy from awhile back I believe. I'm spending the whole day just organizing niches from every sponsor I have right now and never going hunting again so I'm glad you chirped in then lol

anything I can do to help

PR_Glen · 06-22-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx

and affiliates are not? or are we just expendable services? Lets face it, without affiliates you programs would be nothing (aside from the few with internal traffic generation)

As a business you should realize that condescending tones towards affiliates who are frustrated will land you in nowhere'svilles in the long term.

where did i say any of this?

You are listing demands like you are a customer. I said you have confused affiliate programs as a service and you are mistaken. We and every program out there are businesses. We all have our rules and regulations that we have to go by in order to be profitable. I understand your frustration, but these rules haven't been chosen to piss off webmasters, they are put in place to protect our businesses.

We try to make things as easy as possible for our affiliates, as we always have since we began, but we aren't going to lose money because a few webmasters can't wait 2 days for fraud checks...

iwantchixx · 06-22-2011, 07:26 AM

you seem awfully horny to make someone agree with your position. Move on.. your opinion was made

wehateporn · 06-22-2011, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

You have confused us with a service... we are a business...

Some may see the thread as a complaint, I see it more as tips for programs as to how to make more money by having more active affiliates. There must be another way of working that would remove this barrier

PR_Glen · 06-22-2011, 07:42 AM

horny? don't think that is the right word there. Just protecting our stance is all.

Oh, while this back and forth was going on I got completely caught up on all approvals from the last day. So if you need to get in fast nows the time! ;)

take care, and good luck man.

DWB · 06-22-2011, 07:56 AM

iwantchixx, my replies below or not blasting on you, I'm just pointing out some things. Don't take my comments personally.

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx

it does make sense why they do it, but it's the wait period that's bothersome and disruptive to any schedule set for work. Chances are I will forget the program even exists by the time I need to use the niche again.

If they have solid sites, it's probably worth making a note to check back.

If someone really thought could actually make any real sales with a program, you either wouldn't mind waiting if you had to OR you'd deal with the owner directly. Money is worth a few days wait if you are confident in your traffic and know what kind of results you can give.

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Ideally, there must be another way of working. Perhaps they could make a small amount available initially (link codes, banners, a couple of hosted galleries), then a lot more on approval.

That's actually fair. Give a limited amount to get started, then if you don't check out, you don't get paid. Simple enough solution.

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx

1. Fraud protection is not my concern.

It should be to some degree. Because if they are hit with too much of it, guess who runs a risk of not getting paid? Hint... you.

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx

You have people in this thread (including me) telling program owners what we want.

Program owners will either listen, or not. However if I have to jump through hoops to use a particular program I will move on to the next program. Time is valuable and when I sign up for many sponsors at a time I will easily forget the one that made me wait and once I get an approval email I will be busy doing something else and most likely won't check the webmaster area.

"I will just move on to the next program"

A little hard to have companies give you what you ask for as quickly as you want it when you'll just move on the second you don't get what you want. If you think you can make money with a site then it will be important for you to check back with them, rather than just jump from program to program to program.

We are all here to make money, not sign up with the most amount of programs. I don't mind waiting for a site if I know I can make money with it. Most have good reasons why I may have to wait to be approved. Maybe people would make a lot more money if they focused on sites they can do well with instead of who can give them instant gratification before moving on to the next program.

Having said all that, it wouldn't hurt to have the owners ICQ or skype so you can talk to him directly, be it for approval or for issues that may come up later. In my experience, most of them are more than willing to help out.

Captain Kawaii · 06-22-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

INterested, but your websites load slllllowwww at least here

HI...It must be your connect.
juicybunny.com 12.3 KB 0.29 seconds 0.02 seconds

We actually work extremely hard to make sure sites load very fast. Maybe your cool sig is slowing you down...;)
Or if you are using old firefox, we were having that trouble too recently.

Captain Kawaii · 06-22-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I see you have a ccbill program in your sig, which means that affiliates are approved instantly. But have you ever went through and checked out the people signing up, clicking on the site they list and try to see what they have and who they are? Ever tried to contact them directly for more info, like what site they may be sending traffic from?

I do (if I don't know them already). And while I don't have an accurate number, I can say that in my experience MANY of them list a BS site or something that has nothing to do with anything or where they may send traffic from. So I send them a friendly email asking what site(s)s they may be sending traffic from. Maybe 10% even bother reply. Some mails even bounce. What am I to think about all the others?

So when I see things like this, I don't question for a second why some programs take longer than others to approve affiliates. I understand people who to sign up and promote a sign right now, but a responsible program has to do their due diligence these days or run the risk of have fraudulent accounts.

Affiliates want it now, I understand that, but you should also want the program to be doing its best to make sure it will continue to be there and be able to pay you.

You speak truth, DWB...
We've had sign-ups lately where person just pilfers or tries to, zipped content and never bothers to send 1 click. Tightening.

Sexy Rex · 06-22-2011, 10:12 AM

Always had all sales tools, galleries, videos etc available for review BEFORE even signing up

Always had instant approval

Always had TOP100 affiliates stats public

I don't mind a few surfers getting samples for free if it eases affiliates life and I deal with fraud afterwards.

Varius · 06-22-2011, 10:45 AM

Either be an invite-only program, or don't (approve instantly).

Any professional affiliate with the intent to fraud you is going to get approved through your manual process 9.9 times out of 10. It's not like you're getting a sample of their DNA to compare to a "Fraud Bank".

You WILL be losing potential legit affiliates by having a manual approval process; it doesn't matter if it takes minutes, or a few days (or more as I've seen some in the past who take a week to approve you). If the affiliate looking to use you, cannot plug you in right away, he probably turns to someone else.

As for porn surfers signing up and "seeing your millions of dollars worth of promo content" (quoting someone above), that shouldn't concern you; plenty of other ways they can go about seeing your content if that's what they are after.

Post-signup, once/if traffic/sales start coming in, that's where you should be screening for fraud. Activity patterns, billing patterns, CBs/returns (granted takes time to notice that one), sign ups from pre-paid cards (identified by BIN number DB), etc... should all be automated generating flags and alerts for you for deeper manual investigation.

Before first payment is issued, you can also "verify" the account by IM or telephone, etc...

Accounts who sign up and are inactive for X period of time, you can simply shut down. I've heard people say they don't like "bloating their DB", if you don't have a DB that can handle a few hundred thousand rows, active or not, you have bigger problems to worry about

The Porn Nerd · 06-22-2011, 11:58 AM

Approve instantly, monitor constantly. Any affiliate fraud = bye-bye affiliate. But get them started NOW do NOT make your affiliates wait to get approved.

Having said that, if you run a cross-selling, PPS, card-banging, fuck 'em kinda program then perhaps manually approving affiliates is more necassary.

tonyparra · 06-23-2011, 02:39 AM

pretty much everyone of the sponsors who responded to this thread dont have any of the issues being discussed here. DWB, Gleem, Pornguy, PR are some of the best i have dealt with and they have treated me fairly no matter how much money i make with them

06-22-2011, 07:42 AM	#57
PR_Glen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,058	horny? don't think that is the right word there. Just protecting our stance is all. Oh, while this back and forth was going on I got completely caught up on all approvals from the last day. So if you need to get in fast nows the time! ;) take care, and good luck man. __________________ webmaster at pimproll dot com

06-22-2011, 10:12 AM	#61
Sexy Rex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: President/CEO - iStripper.com Posts: 1,164	Always had all sales tools, galleries, videos etc available for review BEFORE even signing up Always had instant approval Always had TOP100 affiliates stats public I don't mind a few surfers getting samples for free if it eases affiliates life and I deal with fraud afterwards. __________________ WWW.ISTRIPPER.COM Unique Desktop Strippers since 1998, 20+ Millions users, 3000+ Girls to choose from, All UHD Exclusive Content.

06-22-2011, 10:45 AM	#62
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Either be an invite-only program, or don't (approve instantly). Any professional affiliate with the intent to fraud you is going to get approved through your manual process 9.9 times out of 10. It's not like you're getting a sample of their DNA to compare to a "Fraud Bank". You WILL be losing potential legit affiliates by having a manual approval process; it doesn't matter if it takes minutes, or a few days (or more as I've seen some in the past who take a week to approve you). If the affiliate looking to use you, cannot plug you in right away, he probably turns to someone else. As for porn surfers signing up and "seeing your millions of dollars worth of promo content" (quoting someone above), that shouldn't concern you; plenty of other ways they can go about seeing your content if that's what they are after. Post-signup, once/if traffic/sales start coming in, that's where you should be screening for fraud. Activity patterns, billing patterns, CBs/returns (granted takes time to notice that one), sign ups from pre-paid cards (identified by BIN number DB), etc... should all be automated generating flags and alerts for you for deeper manual investigation. Before first payment is issued, you can also "verify" the account by IM or telephone, etc... Accounts who sign up and are inactive for X period of time, you can simply shut down. I've heard people say they don't like "bloating their DB", if you don't have a DB that can handle a few hundred thousand rows, active or not, you have bigger problems to worry about __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

06-22-2011, 11:58 AM	#63
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,635	Approve instantly, monitor constantly. Any affiliate fraud = bye-bye affiliate. But get them started NOW do NOT make your affiliates wait to get approved. Having said that, if you run a cross-selling, PPS, card-banging, fuck 'em kinda program then perhaps manually approving affiliates is more necassary. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

06-23-2011, 02:39 AM	#64
tonyparra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: In your back seat with duck tape Posts: 4,568	pretty much everyone of the sponsors who responded to this thread dont have any of the issues being discussed here. DWB, Gleem, Pornguy, PR are some of the best i have dealt with and they have treated me fairly no matter how much money i make with them __________________ High Performance Vps $10 Linode Manage your Digital Ocean, Linode, or Favorite Cloud Server. Simple, fast, and secure Server Pilot

06-22-2011, 07:26 AM	#55
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	you seem awfully horny to make someone agree with your position. Move on.. your opinion was made