Another Anti-Piracy Bill Moves Forward

[Redrob]

WASHINGTON ? The Senate Judiciary Committee has pushed forward a bill that would make it illegal for website operators to profit from streaming pirated movies to consumers.

Link to XBiz Article.

There is hope on the horizon.

[Captain Kawaii]

Excellent News.
Ripping DVDs and peoples movies for profit should be a felony.

[Robbie]

Nice! One step closer.

Now if everyone would just stop selling out to Manwin...Pornhub and all those other tubes would be out of business when these laws pass and we could all get back to making money in this business

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nice! One step closer.

Now if everyone would just stop selling out to Manwin...Pornhub and all those other tubes would be out of business when these laws pass and we could all get back to making money in this business

Sadly, much of porn valley is in such dire straights they are whoring out their content at rock bottom prices to anyone who will take it.

And that is the amazing thing. These tubes could BUY all of their content so cheap and just be hassle free. But they choose to be crooks.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nice! One step closer.

Now if everyone would just stop selling out to Manwin...Pornhub and all those other tubes would be out of business when these laws pass and we could all get back to making money in this business

what and stop making money for the fsc? how would they run their protection racket so they can save us from piracy?

[Redrob]

Mike, a protection racket is where you are forced against your will to pay to stop somebody from damaging your property such as paying tubesites not to post your content.

The FSC is not doing this. They are offering a voluntary service.

Are you disappointed that they keep adding satisfied customers?

[Agent 488]

lame. adapt or die.

[Redrob]

Personally, I'd like to see all the anti-piracy efforts and businesses go out of business for lack of need.

Conversion and Legislation are just two means to that end.

[Socks]

Stupid Canadian here.. Says it will go before the Full Senate later this year. Is that where it could become law, or are there step(s) after that? If so, what are those steps?

[Redrob]

It will then be sent to the House where it must pass.

Then if there are differences between the two passed versions, they go to committee where the differences are ironed out and then back to the two houses for final passage.

Once there is a single version that has passed both houses, the bill is sent to the President for signing.

I think this is how it works.

[Vjo]

Keep hope alive...

"The act is similar to the Protect IP Act, an anti-piracy measure that was recently approved by the committee giving the Justice Department more tools to crack down on websites that pirate content.

Current anti-piracy laws target the downloading of movies from peer-to-peer sites but do not address online streaming of pirated content, making it difficult for prosecutors to obtain convictions against operators of those sites.

The Felony Streaming Act seeks to address the streaming issue. Supporters of the legislation say it’s a critical step forward in fighting piracy, while opponents believe that it gives the government too much power"

[Vjo]

The US government is DEFINITELY pushing forward against piracy. It is just a matter of time.

[Joshua G]

anti-piracy laws are being created to make benefit Hollywood. The government will never act on behalf of porn makers.

[Redrob]

Hollywood has some long coattails and we will enjoy the benefits.

God knows how much it cost to get the legislation through our Congress.

Once it is passed, the Law is the law.

[seeandsee]

so tubes will must protect illegal content even user uploaded to be streamed on their sites?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

anti-piracy laws are being created to make benefit Hollywood. The government will never act on behalf of porn makers.

Of course.

The govt. probably has even delayed doing anything about this in hopes it would do what it has done: Destroy most of our industry.

But having said that...as redrob just said, we will benefit from this as will all content producers of every kind.

[Redrob]

Since the FSC's anti-piracy program was mentioned, I thought I'd post the info here for your review:


Free Speech Coalition?s (FSC) Anti-Piracy Action Program (APAP) went live on April 1, offering content producers/providers an affordable, organized approach to dealing with content theft and copyright infringement.

?This project represents a fundamental shift in how the adult entertainment industry deals with Internet-based piracy,? APAP administrator and attorney Gill Sperlein said. ?I am extremely excited that so many studios are taking this giant first step together. I can?t wait to witness the results.?

Production companies that have signed up to participate in APAP include: Action Reaction, Adam & Eve, Bear Films, Bel Ami, Channel One, Digital Playground, Gamma Entertainment, Girlfriends Films, Hot House Entertainment, Hustler Entertainment, Kristen Bjorn, Liberty Media Holdings LLC, New Sensations, Pink Visual, Raging Stallion, Titan Media, Treasure Island Media, inc., Wicked Pictures, Zero Tolerance.


FSC?s Anti-Piracy Action Program features include:

· Copyright Registration Counseling ? Learn how to register copyrights for your content.


· Infringement Location Services ? Use best-of-breed software to fingerprint content and crawl sixteen targeted tube sites.


· Take Down Notices ?APAP will issue DMCA citations to infringing sites from a law firm that specializes in infringement litigation.


· Content Monetization Option ? FSC will negotiate with tube sites, to post trailers that take users to a retail option where they can PURCHASE content from the APAP subscriber producers, similar to promotional trailers used by mainstream companies on sites like YouTube.


· Documented Statistics ? Data will be compiled to show producers which websites are infringing content and which content is posted on these sites, as well as how infringers respond to DMCA notices and how quickly. You can then use the data for your own information or as documentation in a lawsuit.


· Pre-Litigation and Litigation Coordination ? APAP attorney Gill Sperlein will review site ownership, analyze practices and compile data for infringing sites. Sperlein will help producers formulate an individualized approach to legal recourse against infringers, if they choose to do so, as well as develop the possibility of forming litigation groups to prosecute infringing sites.


· Deterrence ? Program participants will receive a logo they can use online or on DVD product, warning that the content has been fingerprinted to target infringers for legal action.



· ECONOMICAL ? APAP is offered to FSC members, whether you own a big or small company. Fees will be based on the amount of content you want to track. For less than $500 a month, participants can utilize any of the APAP resources to fight content theft (separate litigation costs not included).



For more information on APAP, or FSC, contact (818) 348-9373 or [email protected] .

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Of course.

The govt. probably has even delayed doing anything about this in hopes it would do what it has done: Destroy most of our industry.

But having said that...as redrob just said, we will benefit from this as will all content producers of every kind.

please forgive me if i am cynical. my concern is that law enforcement will not assist porn companies like they will Hollywood. Jonny law has limited resources & that makes them prioritize. AKA we dont have time to help you robbie. too busy helping disney. so sorry.

Another concern i have is simply jurisdiction. The internet does not have one. arent the major piracy sites in safe haven type countries?

A 2006 law that banned banks from processing online gambling transactions: That was supposed to make online gambling go away. Didnt even come close.

just an IMO. I hope you are continuing to do well with claudia marie

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Link to XBiz Article.

There is hope on the horizon.

how much you want to bet this will be blocked too

just like pro ip.

[Redrob]

I don't think they will be able to keep all the bills bottled up forever. There is too much pressure building from all forms of content creators for some action by Congress.

I hope the pirates all get burned sooner or later.

[Robbie]

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[Captain Kawaii]

There are some changes coming to Patent laws as well. Seems some of the only against it are 2 "senators from Texas...but other fellow Republicans are seeing the writing on the wall and backing the bills...

same here...too much money is being lost by mainstream because of scumbag thieves...
hollywood used to ride on porns tech tails now we get to ride on their copyright tails...

it will be good to see all the adapt or die proponents, wither on the vine.

[Dirty Dane]

Tubes are fucked if this pass.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Tubes are fucked if this pass.

and you can bet youtube won't stand for it

as i have pointed out before

the free speech comment "this dance routine is amazing"




is completely worthless without the ability to SHOW you the dance routine in question

if commentary like that is recognized as free speech this law is as unconstitutional as a classifying porn as prostitution.

if you don't think youtube lawyers are planning out exactly how to make that arguement your dreaming.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

it will be good to see all the adapt or die proponents, wither on the vine.

And/or hope that no one remembers their lame ass shit as they seek to reinvent themselves

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[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nice! One step closer.

Now if everyone would just stop selling out to Manwin...Pornhub and all those other tubes would be out of business when these laws pass and we could all get back to making money in this business

Well ain't Manwin's fault only but this would help a lot ! But you know what i think ? The damage is down. People won't buy as they used too. They will always try to find a way to get for free anything online. Porn, music, movies whatever

[Barry-xlovecam]

While I can't vouch for the accuracy of this article ...

"[T]he two new proposals would bolster law enforcement resources to find and prosecute copyright infringement. One broadens the definition of what's covered by copyright law. The other suggests that a single upload to a file-sharing site could qualify as felony copyright infringement, with full penalties. ..."

New Antipiracy Laws Proposed

Whether porn content infringement will be prosecuted as aggressively as infringement of more mainstream items would be (e.g., music, movies, etc.) remains to be seen if these proposed laws are enacted.

[Agent 488]

if your biz model can only survive because people will go to jail for embedding a tube video pack it in now. go sell cars. it's hopeless.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

if your biz model can only survive because people will go to jail for embedding a tube video pack it in now. go sell cars. it's hopeless.

I have a garage full of cars I bought selling porn...want to buy one?

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

if your biz model can only survive because people will go to jail for embedding a tube video pack it in now. go sell cars. it's hopeless.

The funny thing here is that you're not really this fucking dumb.

Seriously.

I've actually seen you make intelligent posts on occasion. Rare occasions to be sure, but on occasion nonetheless.

So what's the deal?

Do you run an illegal tube or do you just do business with tube scum?

Not like I'm expecting a serious answer or anything, but I am a bit curious.
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[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Whether porn content infringement will be prosecuted as aggressively as infringement of more mainstream items would be (e.g., music, movies, etc.) remains to be seen if these proposed laws are enacted.

It probably won't be, but how many of the "adapt or die" bozos here do you think will be willing to risk their own asses to find out?

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[Falabala]

*sigh* The only reason why these bills are being made is mostly because the content providers/producers refuse to walk out of the stone age with their old business model, refusing to adapt to the new environments.

Now, I'm not saying piracy is a good thing, but it does signify that the old business model is too cumbersome and old fashioned, and innovation should fix this problem in first place. Not legislation and laws..

The fun thing about laws, too, is that they're FUCKING VAGUE. Right now you could be arrested for anything, without even knowing you were doing something unlawful.

Edit: For example, first there were porn sites with very limited preview content. You could only guess you were going to get *any* content at all if you paid up for it. Now, there is more porn on the internet than ever, and businesses are thriving due to promotion and word of mouth. Finally, we come to the RIAA/MPAA stop where we stopped innovating, and start treating our customers as thieves and criminals.... I hope this won't happen.

[PiracyPitbull]

Originally Posted by Falabala

*sigh* The only reason why these bills are being made is mostly because the content providers/producers refuse to walk out of the stone age with their old business model, refusing to adapt to the new environments.

No one ever explains how the adaption is made without producers/site owners turning their revenue stream into one that earns pennies where you once earned dollars.

[Falabala]

Originally Posted by PiracyPitbull

No one ever explains how the adaption is made without producers/site owners turning their revenue stream into one that earns pennies where you once earned dollars.

I can give you an short example of the audio industry; CD -> iTunes/Online radio

Before the transition was made, such things were illegal and actively being sabotaged through law. And now the recording industry is at an record high in profits... I WONDER HOW....

Now, for porn sites, of course I'm not going to put my ideas in the open just yet to get ripped off yet again by a scumbag in this industry. So fuck that. Start thinking harder.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Falabala

*sigh* The only reason why these bills are being made is mostly because the content providers/producers refuse to walk out of the stone age with their old business model, refusing to adapt to the new environments.

What have you done to "adapt to the new environments"?

And I have to totally disagree with you. Yes, many people are still stuck in the past and letting their members download all their content from the members area.

But a lot of us have used technology to stop piracy as well.

But that isn't what you really said...you really said "their old business model"
Which IF you are going to sell PORN...then having it stolen or giving it away free is NOT a "business model".

Sure, if I want to sell traffic. Or I want to sell adult toys, or penis pills, or ad spots.

But I don't. I sell PORN. And there is no business model on the face of the Earth that can be successful if you give away the ENTIRE thing (complete members area rips) and expect to sell it.
And no, the Radiohead one time miracle of their loyal fans paying for music when they gave them the option does NOT apply. It's never worked again for them. And has never worked for the thousands of bands out there who tried it.

Most porn sites out there don't have loyal fans. They are porn sites. And yeah, they may have fans...but not of the intensity of a band or a sports team.

I've said it over and over and over. Having your hard work stolen and monetized by another person and then completely devalued is NOT a "business model".
The only person who gains from it is the thief.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Falabala

And now the recording industry is at an record high in profits.

That is totally false. The recording industry is at a record LOW. Just read the numbers in a Rolling Stone magazine a couple of months ago.

Where the fuck do you people get some of these ideas? The only thing saving the music biz was touring. And that has gone way down now too thanks to the bad economy.

[PiracyPitbull]

Originally Posted by Falabala

I can give you an short example of the audio industry; CD -> iTunes/Online radio

Before the transition was made, such things were illegal and actively being sabotaged through law. And now the recording industry is at an record high in profits... I WONDER HOW....

Now, for porn sites, of course I'm not going to put my ideas in the open just yet to get ripped off yet again by a scumbag in this industry. So fuck that. Start thinking harder.

That is not going to work with porn.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Robbie

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[bronco67]

This is one small victory for people who create and sell digital products. It's a step back for the man who think's he's entitled to "try before he buys".

[mynameisjim]

I see it like this.

The major players who are profiting from piracy don't really care about "fighting" for the rights of others. They saw an opening and are making money while they can and according to the current laws, they have the right to do that. But once it becomes too risky or the money runs out, they will simply move on to other things. Piracy at the end of the day is not an industry and nobody will fight for it. People involved in piracy are opportunists, and opportunists don't stick around to fight for anything. That's not an attack on pirates or tube sites, it's just the nature of opportunistic style businesses.

The media companies are actually fighting and that's why they will eventually win. They're only real opposition is the technology, and eventually you can pass laws to control the technology. I'm not saying it's right or the best for the consumer, but that's the way it will eventually play out.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I see it like this.

The major players who are profiting from piracy don't really care about "fighting" for the rights of others. They saw an opening and are making money while they can and according to the current laws, they have the right to do that. But once it becomes too risky or the money runs out, they will simply move on to other things. Piracy at the end of the day is not an industry and nobody will fight for it. People involved in piracy are opportunists, and opportunists don't stick around to fight for anything. That's not an attack on pirates or tube sites, it's just the nature of opportunistic style businesses.

The media companies are actually fighting and that's why they will eventually win. They're only real opposition is the technology, and eventually you can pass laws to control the technology. I'm not saying it's right or the best for the consumer, but that's the way it will eventually play out.

you do realize that everything from the printing press, to vcr, to mp3 ripper were all called piracy when they started.

the laws didn't change to protect the copyright holders the copyright holders got their heads out of their asses and figuired out how to exploit the technology.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Link to XBiz Article.

There is hope on the horizon.

And as shown by how relentless US authorities shut down online casino operators, these laws have TEETH. It will definitely be interesting how the test cases for these laws (assuming one of them passes) play out

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

you do realize that everything from the printing press, to vcr, to mp3 ripper were all called piracy when they started.

the laws didn't change to protect the copyright holders the copyright holders got their heads out of their asses and figuired out how to exploit the technology.

i agree but the printing press was never seen as a threat because of piracy.

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

you do realize that everything from the printing press, to vcr, to mp3 ripper were all called piracy when they started.

the laws didn't change to protect the copyright holders the copyright holders got their heads out of their asses and figuired out how to exploit the technology.

That's misdirection on your part to try to villainize anti-piracy attempts and compare them to censorship. Nobody is making laws regarding your freedom to PRODUCE original content and distribute it yourself.

There is no relationship between piracy and the historical opposition to the printing press. Of course, you can stretch to make the connection, but we both know it's just not there.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

That's misdirection on your part to try to villainize anti-piracy attempts and compare them to censorship. Nobody is making laws regarding your freedom to PRODUCE original content and distribute it yourself.

There is no relationship between piracy and the historical opposition to the printing press. Of course, you can stretch to make the connection, but we both know it's just not there.

so now you only have freedom of speech when you produce ORIGINAL content

parody and commentary are both free speech even though they are derived work.


oh and btw what original content is produced by a vcr.

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

so now you only have freedom of speech when you produce ORIGINAL content

parody and commentary are both free speech even though they are derived work.


oh and btw what original content is produced by a vcr.

I never said that only original content was protected free speech. Did you expect me to write out every possible form of original content?

Please, your grasping at straws. Parody and commentary are free speech and they are already protected. These laws have no impact on those things.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

so now you only have freedom of speech when you produce ORIGINAL content

parody and commentary are both free speech even though they are derived work.

What the fuck does that have to do with uploading entire scenes to tubes and file sharing forums you empty headed moron?

Originally Posted by gideongallery

oh and btw what original content is produced by a vcr.

None. VCR's were intended for personal use, something paysites have been offering for years with down loadable content.


Of course, I should know better than to enter into a debate with you

[Redrob]

Stinking pirates just trying to redefine the arguments. No respect for thieves.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I never said that only original content was protected free speech. Did you expect me to write out every possible form of original content?

Please, your grasping at straws. Parody and commentary are free speech and they are already protected. These laws have no impact on those things.

really so if wanted to post an entire porn scene and with the commentary this is the greatest porn scene in xxx site.

this law would allow it.

that commentary statement makes no sense without the scene being show

see the quest crew example above.

[PiracyPitbull]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

really so if wanted to post an entire porn scene and with the commentary this is the greatest porn scene in xxx site.

this law would allow it.

that commentary statement makes no sense without the scene being show

see the quest crew example above.

The current law doesn't allow that and nor would this one.

Commentary using copy-written works has limits on the amount that can be used, the purpose and the actual commentary.....they are far from what you describe and you know it.