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Vendzilla 06-15-2011 04:00 PM

Such negativity, need a rep that can help setting up a white label or putting an Iframe on your website, I can do that. Email me and find out how long it takes to get back to you, simple email address to remember, [email protected]

Still feel bad for mis spelling Kristins name !!!!

kristin 06-15-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18218581)
Such negativity, need a rep that can help setting up a white label or putting an Iframe on your website, I can do that. Email me and find out how long it takes to get back to you, simple email address to remember, [email protected]

Still feel bad for mis spelling Kristins name !!!!

LOL, it's okay, happens all the time. See Derek's post. :)

When people send me their resume and misspell my name, I don't hire them and that's because of the sales aspect. So I'm special, not everyone is as anal as me.

Allison 06-15-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 18218543)
Wow, so I'm good cause I'm a girl married to TheDoc. Nice.

Bring on the sales!! I could use the commission for my vacation because I didn't sell my soul for $150k/year.


I'll settle this once and for all.

Kristin was hired for "entertainment". There's never a dull moment if you hang with Kristin.

Of course, in all seriousness, all of our team is employed because they do more than good work, they actually give a shit. We all do things that are "not our job" because we care and because that's how you stay in touch with what's really going on with the business and help the business grow.

Bad affiliate managers= ones that don't give a shit
Good affiliate managers= ones that give a shit

TheDoc 06-15-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwreck (Post 18218475)
I do comment how the term affiliate manager opens up a can if worms every time.. its in the same category Epassporte, Zango and Chris 3.0.. :winkwink:

The job duties of a affiliate manager differ so greatly from company to company and its like being called a webmaster, it's very vague. Some do strictly sales the whole time, some a more like program managers....


Program owners made a critical error and hired inexperienced low wage people with the promise of high commissions to be affiliate managers for the company. They forgot to realize they are the first point of contact and they scared away more traffic then they will ever admit. There is no school for affiliate managers and not all of them have genius husbands :) So you can blame both sides to why they got this reputation.

Do I have affiliate's be dicks to me? Oh hellz yes... verbally assaulted, threaten, hit up at all hours yet the min I lose MY COOL... IM GOING TO GFY!!!!!!!!!! it's the nature of the beast.. I'm not mad I love what I do but our job is very public.. and it's not a job its a lifestyle..YOU BECOME an affiliate manager.. this place never closes..

Support tickets are great in theory sure... but its 2011 my guys want instant support, top converting sites, payment details, new tools like yesterday... Submitting a ticket is all pretty and nice and gives me the luxury of prepping nice complete replies...I simply don't have that luxury.

Lazy affiliate rep threads make me laugh out loud... If I posted lazy webmaster threads this board would look different.....

I kinda went off their and miss your question Kristen...the answer is.... being a pretty girl in a male dominated industry has it advantages and this is one of those cases...No disrespect...

hehe, thanks :)

Btw... I never taught Kristin anything about managing affiliates, sales, or marketing. Honestly, I didn't even train her, never showed her the ropes. We handed her a new product she had never sold before, with zero connections, no office to connect with us at, and she alone turned it into a million dollar product. shoot, now that I think about it, she showed me how to use my admin area.... hehe.

Personally, I don't think a girl has it easier. A girl has to prove she isn't as dumb as rocks first.. until then, they're just another piece of meat that gets taken advantage of.

Vendzilla 06-15-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 18218583)
LOL, it's okay, happens all the time. See Derek's post. :)

When people send me their resume and misspell my name, I don't hire them and that's because of the sales aspect. So I'm special, not everyone is as anal as me.

My last name gets butchered all the time because no one has ever heard of it before.

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Originally Posted by Allison (Post 18218606)
I'll settle this once and for all.

Kristin was hired for "entertainment". There's never a dull moment if you hang with Kristin.

Of course, in all seriousness, all of our team is employed because they do more than good work, they actually give a shit. We all do things that are "not our job" because we care and because that's how you stay in touch with what's really going on with the business and help the business grow.

Bad affiliate managers= ones that don't give a shit
Good affiliate managers= ones that give a shit

I care, I actually love my job, I've always loved helping out, I'm weird like that.

Couple weeks ago, I had a model that didn't know what to put down for Gender, I had a very hard time not laughing my ass off.

waltgator 06-15-2011 04:59 PM

actually all good stuff to read & hear, Im a newbie in the affiliate field and definitely want to cater to the webmaster & affiliate side of the porn biz.
I hope you guys try our programs & let us know what you need & we will always help!

Cheers,
Walt

atom 06-15-2011 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 18218560)
I've noticed the "connection" thing doesn't go far nowadays. You either can sell or you can't.

I respectfully disagree. I know quite a few webmasters that are still in the biz that never post or read this board. Combined they can push well over 150-200 sales a day. If somebody doesn't see value in that connection then they have no business sense.

And no, I'm not looking for a job :winkwink:

TheDoc 06-15-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by atom (Post 18218684)
I respectfully disagree. I know quite a few webmasters that are still in the biz that never post or read this board. Combined they can push well over 150-200 sales a day. If somebody doesn't see value in that connection then they have no business sense.

And no, I'm not looking for a job :winkwink:

She isn't talking about those type of connections.... she's talking about aff rep connections, like people with 500 icq contacts and a show index thicker than a phone book.

All the contacts in the world don't produce sales if you suck at getting the traffic.. having one or two guys that will hook you up is nice, it gets a base going... but it doesn't add more new sales next month.

seeandsee 06-15-2011 06:00 PM

i love AM of programs who say they convert, then you send traffic, nothing happens and they dont hit you back with comment

Captain Kawaii 06-15-2011 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by atom (Post 18218557)
DING DING DING! We have a winner.


EDIT - I would also like to add the age of the sales rep are dead for programs. For an "affiliate manager" to be cost effective these days they need to know a lot more then just helping someone with their link codes, getting banners made etc. They need to be able to contribute to and oversee new projects.

A person to just handle sales in my opinion is a waste of money. They need to bring more skillz to the table then just sitting on ICQ all day bullshitting with webmasters.

Yep...We are new so don't hit us if we say something stoopid. We are shooting, making sites, marketing, webbing, surviving...and yes I do have a broom up my ass as I type this so I can sweep the floor. I guess we are trying to do what the best of you do.

My hats off to the good ones...and to the bad ones, get out of my fucking way. lol

Agent 488 06-15-2011 06:13 PM

not much a rep can do when they work for a dirtbag company. sometimes their hands are tied. we just lose money. they just loose their rep and conscience.

selena 06-15-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18218663)

Personally, I don't think a girl has it easier. A girl has to prove she isn't as dumb as rocks first


This.

8chars

Juicy D. Links 06-15-2011 06:52 PM

me and Dwreck tore up CHURCH ST!!!!!!!!!!

Nicky 06-15-2011 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18218693)
She isn't talking about those type of connections.... she's talking about aff rep connections, like people with 500 icq contacts and a show index thicker than a phone book.

All the contacts in the world don't produce sales if you suck at getting the traffic.. having one or two guys that will hook you up is nice, it gets a base going... but it doesn't add more new sales next month.

Yep. It's a combination of being able to sell and having a product that is worth selling.

Juicy D. Links 06-15-2011 06:58 PM

Dwreck has the softest hands in the biz...

Meloman 06-15-2011 07:04 PM

This thread reminds me of an affiliate I was giving advice to that said something like

"if you know what your talking about you wouldn't be a rep" in a very rude and condescending way.

So I replied with short bio of my history including the type of volume I pushed as a webmaster.

I could tell his jaw hit the floor cause he did a 180 turn with his attitude and was super nice after that. He wasn't expecting to hear I actually earn considerably more then him, lol.

Best of all after taking my advice he made more $$$

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-15-2011 07:05 PM

Wow lets of Defensive Affiliate Managers here...

Nom nom nom

TampaToker 06-15-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy (Post 18218814)
Wow lets of Defensive Affiliate Managers here...

Nom nom nom

its a ruff job man :winkwink:

rowan 06-15-2011 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks (Post 18218519)
What about no affiliate rep at all (or several people's added part time role), just a ticketing system that sent everyone in the company that could possibly respond an e-mail?

Trouble with that is that with no particular person assigned to respond they may end up assuming (or hoping) that someone else will do it. You'd also need some sort of "I have no idea what this ticket is about" button so that people who are not knowledgeable in that specific area can count themselves out of contention.

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Originally Posted by Socks (Post 18218519)
Perhaps getting the president to respond to customer requests would have a profound effect on several levels. First, you'd be in a race with your boss to respond to tickets. If they're responding to too many, you'd feel like a worm.

I once had a response from the CEO of ifriends when emailing support... but I'd say that's the exception rather than the norm. :)

Nicky 06-15-2011 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meloman (Post 18218813)
This thread reminds me of an affiliate I was giving advice to that said something like

"if you know what your talking about you wouldn't be a rep" in a very rude and condescending way.

So I replied with short bio of my history including the type of volume I pushed as a webmaster.

I could tell his jaw hit the floor cause he did a 180 turn with his attitude and was super nice after that. He wasn't expecting to hear I actually earn considerably more then him, lol.

Best of all after taking my advice he made more $$$

This is why you need reps that know how to make money as an affiliate.

GonZo 06-15-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BCyber (Post 18218546)
If you look at a lot of the companies hiring affiliate managers, they are usually mainly looking for people that have connections from past jobs and can bring in affiliates that can send a lot of sales. They aren't really looking for webmasters that can help with a lot of technical stuff.

Back in the day they were called traffic whores but thats not relegated just to affiliate managers.

I remember one webcam program owner that would fly over and spend the weekend if you sent her enough biz . . . Joe E was a happy man for several years.

BAKO 06-15-2011 09:22 PM

I'm about the change one of my affiliate managers on monday. Since the account was turned over to the new person my income went down to the grave

PromoterX 06-15-2011 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BCyber (Post 18218546)
If you look at a lot of the companies hiring affiliate managers, they are usually mainly looking for people that have connections from past jobs and can bring in affiliates that can send a lot of sales. They aren't really looking for webmasters that can help with a lot of technical stuff.

Best response of the thread. Everyone can go home now... thread is done. :2 cents:

Come on people... being a rep is about sales.... sales is about networking. If you got the contacts, you can get the sales. This isn't rocket science people!

The problem is... too many affiliate reps are about networking and being a front man, that many have no technical experience at all, so they come across as useless, but they are far from it. :2 cents:

The Porn Nerd 06-15-2011 10:46 PM

Kristin doesn't make $150k a year say wha?

icymelon 06-16-2011 01:45 AM

the best is when you want a specific common size banner. and they tell you. no but you can make your own.

Nicky 06-16-2011 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by icymelon (Post 18219245)
the best is when you want a specific common size banner. and they tell you. no but you can make your own.

:helpme :error

PromoterX 06-16-2011 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by icymelon (Post 18219245)
the best is when you want a specific common size banner. and they tell you. no but you can make your own.

and you don't know how to make your own?

It's a banner! Seriously? :2 cents:

mineistaken 06-16-2011 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Marquis85 (Post 18216987)
I understand not every affiliate manager has developer/webmaster experience, most probably just have customer support experience and nothing else, but honestly, if you don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, don't ask me to school you.

I wonder why? There are so many jobless webmasters (due to free porn and everything else) that any company could find affiliate rep with webmaster/affiliate experience

Falabala 06-16-2011 09:27 AM

Well, it could be worse. Like an affiliate manager that never responds at all to your questions, but constantly keeps pushing it in your face how much he earns by doing nothing and that he bought a second hummer yesterday while I'm working my ass off to get out of the gutter!

kristin 06-16-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 18219570)
I wonder why? There are so many jobless webmasters (due to free porn and everything else) that any company could find affiliate rep with webmaster/affiliate experience

Some people have no idea of how to apply for a job. You should see some of the resumes that I get. Oy vey.

I saw one the other day that I laughed - they had :-) on their resume three times at least. Then caps, I want to make YOU more money. On a resume, really?

Adraco 06-16-2011 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18218581)
...simple email address to remember, [email protected]

That sure is a nice email address!!! :thumbsup

Vendzilla 06-16-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Adraco (Post 18220027)
That sure is a nice email address!!! :thumbsup

Thanx, makes it easy to tell people, funny when they don't believe me.

Vendzilla 06-16-2011 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin (Post 18219971)
Some people have no idea of how to apply for a job. You should see some of the resumes that I get. Oy vey.

I saw one the other day that I laughed - they had :-) on their resume three times at least. Then caps, I want to make YOU more money. On a resume, really?

I remember when I was in high school, they told us that when you apply for the job, to have the attitude that it would behoove them to hire you.

When I worked for Coca Cola, many years ago, we had a guy pass everything but the drug test, told him he could retest in a couple weeks, he tested positive again for meth, it only stays in your system for a couple days. The only reason I remember the guy is that his name was "Steve Austin" aka the 6 million dollar man!!

JayDeeZee 06-16-2011 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PromoterX (Post 18219056)
Best response of the thread. Everyone can go home now... thread is done. :2 cents:

Come on people... being a rep is about sales.... sales is about networking. If you got the contacts, you can get the sales. This isn't rocket science people!

The problem is... too many affiliate reps are about networking and being a front man, that many have no technical experience at all, so they come across as useless, but they are far from it. :2 cents:

Networking is important, but networking is only 25% of the job.

Some people in this biz have lots of friends, they can sell themselves but couldn't close a window never mind a deal.

If you ain't closing, you ain't selling.

"Coffee's for closers!"


Tim 06-16-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 18217412)
My favorite, "do you have X?"
Answer: "I don't know, ask Y."
Me: "No, you go ask Y cause that's your job and remember it for the next person who asks you."

:thumbsup

mineistaken 06-16-2011 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin (Post 18219971)
Some people have no idea of how to apply for a job. You should see some of the resumes that I get. Oy vey.

I saw one the other day that I laughed - they had :-) on their resume three times at least. Then caps, I want to make YOU more money. On a resume, really?

But still I assume if program posted job offering on this forum they would get at least few qualified people... :)
It is very strange that these days any program would have reps with no affiliate/webmaster skills.. I mean those with only customer support skills. Sometimes it looks like quite a few program owners has no hiring skills (or they don't care) :)

kristin 06-16-2011 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 18220959)
But still I assume if program posted job offering on this forum they would get at least few qualified people... :)
It is very strange that these days any program would have reps with no affiliate/webmaster skills.. I mean those with only customer support skills. Sometimes it looks like quite a few program owners has no hiring skills (or they don't care) :)

Oh yeah, there are some good ones out there for sure.

marlboroack 06-16-2011 09:13 PM

Yes this is very true.


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