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  • The Porn Nerd
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    • Jun 2009
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    #1

    EPIC FAIL: I meant NETbilling vs. OTHER PAYMENT OPTIONS. LOL

    Ah well, it happens. Signals got crossed and I wish I could blame it on drugs.

    ANYway: I meant NETBilling vs. OTHER payment options. Let's leave NATS out of this.

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    • OY
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      • Oct 2002
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      #2
      lol

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        • alias
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          • Apr 2001
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          #3
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            • JerseyPuma
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              • May 2002
              • 1149
              #4
              do you mean merchant accounts vs. IPSPs, or Netbilling vs. other available payment gateways?

              as far as gateways, I will vouch for Netbilling's usability and support here.
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                • The Porn Nerd
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                  • Jun 2009
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by JerseyPuma
                  do you mean merchant accounts vs. IPSPs, or Netbilling vs. other available payment gateways?

                  as far as gateways, I will vouch for Netbilling's usability and support here.
                  Gateways, defintiely. Obviously, my ignorance is showing here since I am a CCBill program owner. LOL Meaning: that's all I've used so, to me, affiliate program and processing are tied together. And obviously there are many, many differant types of billing.

                  But I'm looking for a way to better control the form subission process, and to control things like scrubs, etc. Probably also trying to weigh chargebacks under me controlling submissions more vs. less chargebacks with an established processer like CCBill.
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                    • alias
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                      • Apr 2001
                      • 19010
                      #6
                      Sounds like you want nats or mpa with a cascade of processors starting with netbilling or ccbill and moving on down the line. Epoch, zombaio, segpay or whoever you want to use in your cascade would follow your primary. People also rotate the primary too.

                      As you may know ccb will let you cascade but afaik retains primary when using their affiliate program.
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                        • The Porn Nerd
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                          • Jun 2009
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by alias
                          Sounds like you want nats or mpa with a cascade of processors starting with netbilling or ccbill and moving on down the line. Epoch, zombaio, segpay or whoever you want to use in your cascade would follow your primary. People also rotate the primary too.

                          As you may know ccb will let you cascade but afaik retains primary when using their affiliate program.
                          I should run my GFY threads by you before I post again. LOL yes, that's pretty much it, but what/who is afaik? The ignorance continues...
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                            • alias
                              aliasx
                              • Apr 2001
                              • 19010
                              #8
                              Acronym: As Far As I Know=afaik.
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                                • The Porn Nerd
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                                  • Jun 2009
                                  • 19786
                                  #9
                                  GET the fuck out - or, GTFO! Man, I just learned what LMAO means the other day (how appropriate).
                                  But, in my defense, acronyms are capitalized. Oh forget it, I have no defense. LOL (Laugh Out Loud)

                                  But if you're saying then (as far as you know) CCBill must remain primary if using their ap is wrong, you can switch the cascade and the affs still get paid even when Epoch or whoever is primary.
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                                    • LeRoy
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                                      • Jul 2007
                                      • 13364
                                      #10
                                      Havent heard anything negative about Netbilling.
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                                        • stever
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                                          • Jul 2005
                                          • 1716
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                          But I'm looking for a way to better control the form subission process, and to control things like scrubs, etc. Probably also trying to weigh chargebacks under me controlling submissions more vs. less chargebacks with an established processer like CCBill.
                                          the only way to do this is via a merchant account (control scrub and how little or how much info the customer needs to have in order to pass the sale)

                                          i have used both IPSPs and merchant accounts and found they are more or less the same thing in terms of throughput

                                          what you should do is have several options so you give surfers an easy way to signup to the other option in case option 1 fails, and something like NATS will allow you to manage this easier


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                                            • sadiedazzle
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                                              • Apr 2011
                                              • 972
                                              #12
                                              I love netbilling. We run netbilling and ccbill. We use only ccbill for our affiliate program. Netbilling's admin panel is so much better than ccbill's. You can control how heavily you want to scrub, it's easier and faster to look stuff up. Generally you have way more control with netbilling and you get your money every single day.

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                                                • fuzebox
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                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                  • 22351
                                                  #13
                                                  Getting your own merchant account will save you some points on the rate, and give you more control over stuff like your join form and scrubs... Keep in mind though you have to do your own affiliate payouts, and do your own member/billing support (or use a support service). Netbilling will handle this for you as well, but depending on what level you're at volume wise, the savings may not be that high. If you're paying 12% with ccbill now, and get a merchant account at 6%, by the time you factor in the additional netbilling percentage and the support costs, you may only be saving 1-2%, while having to deal with running your own payouts.

                                                  I still think a merchant account is the best way to go, but it's not for everyone

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                                                    • ntesic
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                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                      • 194
                                                      #14
                                                      NetBilling rocks
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                                                        • TMM_Vlad
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                                                          • May 2007
                                                          • 1220
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                                          Ah well, it happens. Signals got crossed and I wish I could blame it on drugs.

                                                          ANYway: I meant NETBilling vs. OTHER payment options. Let's leave NATS out of this.

                                                          Oh boy.
                                                          You can try them all out and see which ones work the best for you through the NATS cascading feature.

                                                          We have over 80+ integrated NATS billers and you can do various testing with the billers in your cascade such as setting weights to how many times you want show a certain biller page. You can even geo-target your traffic to send surfers directly to billers that are specific to their country. Don't be limited to just one billing company!

                                                          Here is a current list of NATS integrated billers you can use: http://wiki.toomuchmedia.com/index.php/NATS_Biller_List

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                                                            • LeRoy
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                                                              • Jul 2007
                                                              • 13364
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by sadiedazzle
                                                              I love netbilling. We run netbilling and ccbill. We use only ccbill for our affiliate program. Netbilling's admin panel is so much better than ccbill's. You can control how heavily you want to scrub, it's easier and faster to look stuff up. Generally you have way more control with netbilling and you get your money every single day.
                                                              If your ccbill affiliate sends a sale thru netbilling. Do they still get credit for the sale?
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                                                                • wendy739
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                                                                    • NETbilling
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                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                      • 8598
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                      Getting your own merchant account will save you some points on the rate, and give you more control over stuff like your join form and scrubs... Keep in mind though you have to do your own affiliate payouts, and do your own member/billing support (or use a support service). Netbilling will handle this for you as well, but depending on what level you're at volume wise, the savings may not be that high. If you're paying 12% with ccbill now, and get a merchant account at 6%, by the time you factor in the additional netbilling percentage and the support costs, you may only be saving 1-2%, while having to deal with running your own payouts.

                                                                      I still think a merchant account is the best way to go, but it's not for everyone
                                                                      If you are paying 12% with a third party processor, typically you are processing a good amount and have a long history with them from what I have seen. Also, if you are paying 6% for the merchant account, that is a bit high if you are fairly high volume. With our pricing including a merchant account that we can help you obtain through us or many of our partners, including customer service and everything else, you should be around 7%, depending on your average ticket. So based on those numbers, if you are processing $100k per month, you would save, about $5000 per month.

                                                                      That is a nice house payment!

                                                                      Questions?

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                                                                        • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                          • Jun 2009
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by NETbilling
                                                                          If you are paying 12% with a third party processor, typically you are processing a good amount and have a long history with them from what I have seen. Also, if you are paying 6% for the merchant account, that is a bit high if you are fairly high volume. With our pricing including a merchant account that we can help you obtain through us or many of our partners, including customer service and everything else, you should be around 7%, depending on your average ticket. So based on those numbers, if you are processing $100k per month, you would save, about $5000 per month.

                                                                          That is a nice house payment!

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                                                                          Mitch
                                                                          Hmmm....well, I'm not quite at those numbers yet but to factor in the additional joins by more control over the scrub (which I also realize would increase chargebacks) I would think the savings would be higher. But if your numbers hold that's 60k a year.
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                                                                            • NETbilling
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                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                              • 8598
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                                                              Hmmm....well, I'm not quite at those numbers yet but to factor in the additional joins by more control over the scrub (which I also realize would increase chargebacks) I would think the savings would be higher. But if your numbers hold that's 60k a year.
                                                                              You will be very happy, especially if you are someone that like to be in control.


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                                                                                • fuzebox
                                                                                  making it rain
                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                  • 22351
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by NETbilling
                                                                                  If you are paying 12% with a third party processor, typically you are processing a good amount and have a long history with them from what I have seen. Also, if you are paying 6% for the merchant account, that is a bit high if you are fairly high volume. With our pricing including a merchant account that we can help you obtain through us or many of our partners, including customer service and everything else, you should be around 7%, depending on your average ticket. So based on those numbers, if you are processing $100k per month, you would save, about $5000 per month.

                                                                                  That is a nice house payment!

                                                                                  Questions?

                                                                                  Mitch
                                                                                  Hey, like I said I like the merchant account route the best (and Netbilling is obviously the best gateway for adult), but it's not necessarily for everyone... I know people doing $10k/mo paying 10% on third party... I also know people who did not end up saving much money once they switched from third party to a merchant account, and instead created themselves a lot of extra work. It's up to the merchant to crunch the numbers and see if switching their processing is worth their time

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                                                                                    • SwirlsGirl
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                                                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                                                      • 2067
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by stever
                                                                                      the only way to do this is via a merchant account (control scrub and how little or how much info the customer needs to have in order to pass the sale)

                                                                                      i have used both IPSPs and merchant accounts and found they are more or less the same thing in terms of throughput

                                                                                      what you should do is have several options so you give surfers an easy way to signup to the other option in case option 1 fails, and something like NATS will allow you to manage this easier
                                                                                      I personally had a little more success temporarily using a merchant account vs. 3rd party ipsp and the merchant account out performed 3rd party 5 to 1 during a weekend experiment,,,,so the secret is out... 3rd party is a barrier to maximum profit!

                                                                                      Oh and as a side note june 14 th ccbill form submissions big fat 0% while other backup processors did multiple sales...this is becoming rinse and repeat
                                                                                      Last edited by SwirlsGirl; 06-15-2011, 04:31 AM.

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                                                                                        • C H R I S
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                                                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                                                          • 10842
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Netbiiling is the bomb, but I heard the owner likes trannys.
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                                                                                            • NemesisEnforcer
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                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                              • 2122
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                              Getting your own merchant account will save you some points on the rate, and give you more control over stuff like your join form and scrubs... Keep in mind though you have to do your own affiliate payouts, and do your own member/billing support (or use a support service). Netbilling will handle this for you as well, but depending on what level you're at volume wise, the savings may not be that high. If you're paying 12% with ccbill now, and get a merchant account at 6%, by the time you factor in the additional netbilling percentage and the support costs, you may only be saving 1-2%, while having to deal with running your own payouts.

                                                                                              I still think a merchant account is the best way to go, but it's not for everyone
                                                                                              I agree, your own merchant account is the best way to go, you own your processing data. With third party processors, you don't own the data.

                                                                                              After going through third party processor failures such as iBill, it's best to have your own merchant account. You can't beat the peace of mind.
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                                                                                                • NETbilling
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                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                  • 8598
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by C H R I S 3.0
                                                                                                  Netbiiling is the bomb, but I heard the owner likes trannys.
                                                                                                  Thanks - he/she was your brother.


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                                                                                                  Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
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                                                                                                    • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                                                      • 19786
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                                      Hey, like I said I like the merchant account route the best (and Netbilling is obviously the best gateway for adult), but it's not necessarily for everyone... I know people doing $10k/mo paying 10% on third party... I also know people who did not end up saving much money once they switched from third party to a merchant account, and instead created themselves a lot of extra work. It's up to the merchant to crunch the numbers and see if switching their processing is worth their time
                                                                                                      I'm crunching numbers now to see if switching to a merch account is best for me at this stage. I think I'm bumping up against the bare minimum one would need to make this profitable but I'm getting there quickly so a switch may be made this year sometime. We shall see. Excellent point about the extra work, which is a major factor for me.
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                                                                                                        • NETbilling
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                          • 8598
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                                                                                          I'm crunching numbers now to see if switching to a merch account is best for me at this stage. I think I'm bumping up against the bare minimum one would need to make this profitable but I'm getting there quickly so a switch may be made this year sometime. We shall see. Excellent point about the extra work, which is a major factor for me.
                                                                                                          The flexibility alone and having control over your own business should be enough, even if you were not saving much $$, which is certainly not going to be the case.

                                                                                                          We look forward to serving you. Have you seen a demo of our system and all that we offer?

                                                                                                          Mitch


                                                                                                          Mitch Farber
                                                                                                          CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                                                                          Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                                                                          Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                                                                            • NETbilling
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                              • 8598
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                                                                                              I'm crunching numbers now to see if switching to a merch account is best for me at this stage. I think I'm bumping up against the bare minimum one would need to make this profitable but I'm getting there quickly so a switch may be made this year sometime. We shall see. Excellent point about the extra work, which is a major factor for me.
                                                                                                              Hi,

                                                                                                              Did you get setup with us yet? If you are attending the EU shows, would you like to setup a meeting there? NETbilling will be there in full force.

                                                                                                              Mitch


                                                                                                              Mitch Farber
                                                                                                              CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                                                                              Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                                                                              Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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