Cheap doesnt sell, good sells. If they like the content they will buy it. Go to clips for sale they sell clips all day long.One clip could be $30 for 30 min.

Simple names: You watch a movie, you play a video, you view a clip.

Full Scene or Movie
High Def or Big (fast internet)
Normal (most people)
Small (slower internet)
Clips (very slow internet)
Smart Phone or Phone Type

High Def is not a selling feature, it's a standard of quality that is 'visually' seen. You don't need to tell a person it's HD, they should be able to see it.

Things like 900 bit rate, x frames, the word quality, wmv/stream/mpeg, are all useless words. Put together a F.A.Q. for those that know wtf that stuff means and if they actually care....

when you say cheap, are you referring to cheap production or cheap pricing or both? :)

while i can see from others' experiences that $29.95 is the sweet spot, my concern is trying to charge $29.95 right out of the gate. but i guess that's what most all new sites do, regardless of the amount of content they launch with eh?

as long as i keep updating 2x a week right. i can see the value there.

much appreciated, but a question re:
i don't see the association with free or cost here?? as i read your previous comment (download v. stream) one has a upsell price & one does not. how does this fit with
watch a movie
play a video
view a clip?

or am i not understanding what you are saying?

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Hell of a good post :thumbsup

Im talking about price of membership.:)

The download vs. stream is more about the selection of words used. Download doesn't mean store it on your hard drives, it means download to watch it, play it. A normal event to make a video start working....

It's a paysite, it all costs money.. If you don't tell the surfer on the tour that they can download to own the videos, then they don't expect it in the members area.

Just offer a download to own or download to your pc link, that charges more for the option within the member areas directly, for each video... Sell them whatever quality THEY want.

i see, so you are saying price point is not an incentive to buy. thx for the clarification. :thumbsup

I don't necessarily agree that they can spot it. We have movies that are labeled HD that aren't fully HD :) and surfers don't complain. They get played and purchased just as much as our true HD.

Aye, I didn't mean it like they could see the difference between HQ and HD. More that if your videos are good quality, it can be seen without putting an HD stamp on everything.

They don't care, as long as it's good quality.


And on related rant... this is what I hate about 99% of review sites, they lower ratings for non HD videos or lower bit rates (that have small file sizes but very good quality) when the surfer has no clue and actually likes what you offer.

I think the industry gets more excited about hd than the surfer actually does. I think if the scene is hot and everyone looks like they are into it not there to pay the rent. It could be shot on hi 8 and it would sell.

I want to see the never before seen contents.

i'll post a ton but i want to get more shot before i do. some folks in this thread have seen some teaser images and the initial site tour and have given some good input for how to go forward with it. re: the never before seen content and paul's comments earlier as well, i'm not trying to suggest i've reinvented the porn wheel here and come up with a niche that involves a brand new sex act.

what i am doing is focusing on a specific act and trying to present it in the way that excites me. when i go through my personal porn stash, i see themes, this is one of those themes and when i've tried to find sites totally dedicated to this specific theme, there are none.

Who is a one stop shop for that lockdown technology? Is there an expert who can set all that up for an existing site?

Because of this you will be successful with the site. :2 cents:

hey, thanks for that eh,
that's what my hope is.

the truly hard part is capturing that on film! although i am making good progress getting that sorted out. we'll see.

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Borked (Andy) was THE MAN but he is MIA. Not sure what happened to him. :Oh crap

i recall he had posted about an embedded video solution, or whatever it would be called, he's MIA eh?

:2 cents:

IMHO most review sites have their head totally up their ass.

They penalize good for bit rates or for having only streaming videos, even if it looks great, yet reward sites that completely steal their content or fuck surfers around.

Andy really knows his shit but he sort of disappeared. I saw he comes here to read sometimes but that's it. Damn shame really. :Oh crap

He set up the encrypted stream with a security token on some of my sites. You flat out can not rip the stream. If you want it you have to use a screen recorder to get it, and people are really not doing that yet contrary to popular belief and GFY opinion. Sooner or later maybe they will, but I think it's more hassle than it's worth.

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That sucks

That's very much of a politicians answer. I appreciate your reluctance to tell everyone and I would do the same if I had an idea.

Here's a few things to think about.

If it's a niche you really understand and can shoot it well, then go for it. If the content is really good and different enough, people will pay for it. We sell more memberships to a site with content I shot in 1980s and 90s than we do with the newer stuff.

It has nothing to do with HD, traffic, blah blah. It's content that isn't anywhere else. Retro hardcore is, this stuff isn't.

Then to the devotees of this twist of porn that you have in mind will pay for it. Niche devotees are less likely to pirate and as there are less of them, the piracy and price issue isn't important.

For 12 years online porn has played with prices (the proof is in this thread) up and down, the lower you go the less affiliates will push. The higher you go the more people who will see it as just over priced. The illusion that the price effects peoples perception of the site's content is BS. The last thing they see is the sign up and pay page. If you haven't convinced them the site is worth the price offered, then they won't buy what ever the price.

The problem is how much can you adjust the price and stay in profit. And then is it enough to convince someone?

Offer the customer something he can't say no to and you can charge what you like. Offer him the same everyone else offers. Then all you can do is play with prices or compete to get affiliates to send traffic.

My attitude is shaped by working in online porn for 15 years. The question is, is my attitude right?