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TDavid · 01-25-2003, 07:34 AM

Fox is missing the boat pitting a bunch of little people against and elephant and a zebra racing "cheetah man".

They should have found a way to factor in Gary Kasparov in the big Chess rematch against Deep Junior: http://www.msnbc.com/news/863920.asp

playa · 01-25-2003, 07:40 AM

haha,,chess boring

Gutterboy · 01-25-2003, 07:54 AM

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Most people think Kasparov lost to Deep Blue because he played weird, strategic openings he was unfamiliar with in an attempt to stay away from positions in which the computer could benefit from its enormous advantage in deep calculation. Chess computers can't make abstract strategic considerations, they can only calculate.

Hopefully he won't make the same mistakes again. He also better not cry like a baby if he loses.

TDavid · 01-25-2003, 08:11 AM

playa - I'll grant you that watching chess is sort of like watching tennis, unless you watch brilliant players playing chess like Kasparov or hot looking tennis players like anna kournikova (who seemed to have little talent beyond her looks).

For those who are interested, x3dworld is running an internet broadcast on it starting Sun at 3:30pm Eastern Time. Check their website for details.

gutterboy - I'm thinking that Kasparov will probably try to play on that abstract weakness in Deep Junior, although according to Deep Junior programmers, there is "new era where programs understand more abstract concepts in chess"

And then there's this:

"Kasparov noted that the computer always has a huge advantage over a human player: it never makes mistakes, it never gets tired, it never gets demoralized. Of course, with one caveat, "It does care about power failure!"

slapass · 01-25-2003, 09:05 AM

It is a losing battle as Chess is finite so at some point it is solvable. With that being said, "GO GARY!!"

SpaceAce · 01-25-2003, 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by slapass
It is a losing battle as Chess is finite so at some point it is solvable. With that being said, "GO GARY!!"

It's finite, but it isn't "solvable" because you can only make one move at a time which means you can only calculate your following moves based on that first one (I do't mean the very first move in the game, I mean any given move - which would be the first move of every move to follow). So, the computer can calculate every single finite possibility but it can only choose one to go with each time which means it can always be beaten.

That said, if Deep Junior is really better than Deep Blue, I think Kasparov is going to get spanked, again, and he'll either commit suicide or spend the next six years whining like he did the last six.

I hope he wins, though.

SpaceAce

Gutterboy · 01-25-2003, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by TDavid
gutterboy - I'm thinking that Kasparov will probably try to play on that abstract weakness in Deep Junior, although according to Deep Junior programmers, there is "new era where programs understand more abstract concepts in chess"

As AI advances its gotta be inevitable that a computer will come along which never loses to the best the human race has to offer at chess.

As for chess being finite... there are approx. 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000 possible chess positions. The best chess computers can evaluate 50,000 moves per second, or only 4.5 billion moves per day. There will have to be a quantum leap in computing power before solving it is thinkable.

There is supposedly a mathematic proof somewhere showing that despite being finite, chess is unsolvable. Don't ask me how or where tho.

TDavid · 01-26-2003, 06:48 PM

kasparov won match #1 of 7. He played with his usual aggressive opening style and Deep Junior got stymied at move 9 taking more than 25 minutes to calculate its next move. After 27 moves, Junior resigned. Next match is on Tuesday!

Fletch XXX · 01-26-2003, 06:49 PM

i love machines.

knobs, sliders, and LFOs oh my.

TDavid · 02-07-2003, 09:01 PM

After 6 games this ended in a draw

$250k each. Wonder if there will be a rematch.

NoCarrier · 02-07-2003, 09:05 PM

When Deep Blue will be "pissed" because it's lost a game, I will be worried, until then ...

lEricPl · 02-07-2003, 09:15 PM

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...,873874,00.asp

The draw ends the first FIDE Man Vs. Machine Championship, with Kasparov being paid a $500,000 appearance fee and an additional $175,000 of the $300,000 total prixe money.

Nice

01-25-2003, 07:54 AM	#3
Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	It'll be interesting to see what happens. Most people think Kasparov lost to Deep Blue because he played weird, strategic openings he was unfamiliar with in an attempt to stay away from positions in which the computer could benefit from its enormous advantage in deep calculation. Chess computers can't make abstract strategic considerations, they can only calculate. Hopefully he won't make the same mistakes again. He also better not cry like a baby if he loses. Last edited by Gutterboy; 01-25-2003 at 07:57 AM..

02-07-2003, 09:05 PM	#11
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	When Deep Blue will be "pissed" because it's lost a game, I will be worried, until then ... __________________

01-25-2003, 07:34 AM	#1
TDavid Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 36	Man vs. Machine: It's ON Fox is missing the boat pitting a bunch of little people against and elephant and a zebra racing "cheetah man". They should have found a way to factor in Gary Kasparov in the big Chess rematch against Deep Junior: http://www.msnbc.com/news/863920.asp

01-25-2003, 07:40 AM	#2
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	haha,,chess boring

01-25-2003, 08:11 AM	#4
TDavid Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 36	playa - I'll grant you that watching chess is sort of like watching tennis, unless you watch brilliant players playing chess like Kasparov or hot looking tennis players like anna kournikova (who seemed to have little talent beyond her looks). For those who are interested, x3dworld is running an internet broadcast on it starting Sun at 3:30pm Eastern Time. Check their website for details. gutterboy - I'm thinking that Kasparov will probably try to play on that abstract weakness in Deep Junior, although according to Deep Junior programmers, there is "new era where programs understand more abstract concepts in chess" And then there's this: "Kasparov noted that the computer always has a huge advantage over a human player: it never makes mistakes, it never gets tired, it never gets demoralized. Of course, with one caveat, "It does care about power failure!"

01-25-2003, 09:05 AM	#5
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	It is a losing battle as Chess is finite so at some point it is solvable. With that being said, "GO GARY!!"

01-26-2003, 06:48 PM	#8
TDavid Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 36	kasparov won match #1 of 7. He played with his usual aggressive opening style and Deep Junior got stymied at move 9 taking more than 25 minutes to calculate its next move. After 27 moves, Junior resigned. Next match is on Tuesday!

01-26-2003, 06:49 PM	#9
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	i love machines. knobs, sliders, and LFOs oh my.

02-07-2003, 09:01 PM	#10
TDavid Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 36	After 6 games this ended in a draw $250k each. Wonder if there will be a rematch.

02-07-2003, 09:15 PM	#12
lEricPl Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: FL Posts: 1,062	http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...,873874,00.asp The draw ends the first FIDE Man Vs. Machine Championship, with Kasparov being paid a $500,000 appearance fee and an additional $175,000 of the $300,000 total prixe money. Nice