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moeloubani · 05-31-2011, 11:19 AM

Just host the sites in the US and rogue uploaders that upload to there will upload to your tubes. Make sure you have a strong connection and add 1000s of Manwin videos a day, while at the same time making sure to respond to DMCAs from them in time, where it takes you on average 5 mins to delete each video. If they want you to show proof that your uploaders aren't you then when Manwin gets sued for the same thing they will have to show the same proof. If you want to beat them at their own game then play the game, don't cheat.

Nathan · 05-31-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Nathan: Your tubes are operating outside the law when they select videos suitable for distribution on your network by using humans to decide what is acceptable. You must use an automated process, such as, the way Smart Thumbs rotates all newly uploaded galleries through the index page allowing surfers to vote on what moves up, down or is ultimately removed from the page.

You don't have such a process. You have someone who works for your company making that decision.

If you think so....

Even if I say it's not true you'll come and claim it is.. so why even discuss these things?

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-31-2011, 11:44 AM

Hey Nathan can you check you'r email, I sent you a copy of the fatwa as discussed.

BFT3K · 05-31-2011, 11:45 AM

"Man who gets too big for his britches may get exposed in the end." - Old Chinese Proverb

Translation: You may be at the top today, but tomorrow is right around the corner, so watch your fucking ass.

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Just host the sites in the US and rogue uploaders that upload to there will upload to your tubes. Make sure you have a strong connection and add 1000s of Manwin videos a day, while at the same time making sure to respond to DMCAs from them in time, where it takes you on average 5 mins to delete each video. If they want you to show proof that your uploaders aren't you then when Manwin gets sued for the same thing they will have to show the same proof. If you want to beat them at their own game then play the game, don't cheat.

I would never subject such an enterprise to US jurisdiction, sorry guys, the US doesn't rule the world legally. All this DMCA stuff is greek to me when it comes to this kind of thing.

I run sites in the US and comply with US laws, however if an enterprise like this was to be embarked on, I'd be making sure it cost Manwin as much as possible to try to litigate it out of existence. If the job was done properly, they wouldn't be able to do it anyway.

However Manwin have one option, stop stealing content. Then people wouldn't be looking at ways of dealing with them.

I also feel Nathan underestimates my resources and the offers of help I have received. He thinks I am a nobody, while I may be small, I am tenacious and I am fed up with the complete bullshit from Manwin and their modus operandi.

So to Nathan and Manwin, consider yourself on notice, battle lines are being drawn. Clean up your act and this whole concept goes away.

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! - What is it that he did to you again?

Manwin's content stealing tube sites host content owned by a company that one UK investment holding is a silent partner of. It's that simple. It comes down, then goes back up again quickly. People are fed up, you can only piss people off for so long before they want to bring your temple crashing down.

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Your content?

Content owned by one of my investment interests, yes.

edit: before Manwin thinks they can get at that, I have so many layers of protection when it comes to my corporate structures that effectively I own nothing except a small apartment in the city of Melbourne and a dog and cat. All of which are protected in Australian law from judicial judgments.

CaptainHowdy · 05-31-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

We are all just one law away from extinction.

Viddy signature ...

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Okay, so here is a serous question? - Are you able to contact all the content owners that you know for a 100% provable fact that their vids/content is being abused often ie., re-uploaded? Then would you be able to start a collection, secured in an escrow account for all of this to stop permanently...? ...off the top of your head a ballpark amount?

One option being considered is the establishment of a content protection service, which will flood Manwin with so many DMCA's that their heads would spin. There are a few options being considered. If we offered such a service we may offer it on a post paid basis, so no upfront charges would be levied.

Nathan knows I am serious about this, he's a smart guy and had to know that the free ride would end. Obviously I am not going to reveal all of our ideas in this thread, but I think Manwin have been put on notice. If they want to treat it as a joke, then the joke is on them.

Anyone who thinks I act alone is seriously mistaken. The best solution is for Manwin to clean up it's act.

JFK · 05-31-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

you should punch him in the face at the next show

just saw the "other Thread"

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 12:47 PM

One thing I need to make clear, this is not about Nathan, this is about Manwin. Nathan is a smart guy trying to make a buck. None of this is personal to me. I am not going to get into the game of personally attacking Nathan.

Manwin is the issue at hand and as stated previously, Manwin are being put on notice.

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Fuck the DMCA shit because you're wasting your time. They'll habitually challenge the notice and once you prove you're in the right they'll simply pull the content. In short, you're just adding an extra step for yourselves.

BUT back to my question - If you were able to collect funds and put them into an escrow account and then all this content theft stopped for you and your associates (who contributed)....how much do you think you could raise?

I have already had offers of money, servers, tech support and other in kind support to contribute to such a project, I'm not revealing numbers. However, one thing that has become clear since I started this thread is that Manwin are not as respected as they would like to think they are. There are angry people out there and many of them have a great deal of money and resources. Some of these people will shake Nathan's hand with a smile then walk away thinking that Manwin are assholes.

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Hey man I'm not talking down to you, but people who make millions can buy respect and an army of rent a friends. Meaning, when Nathan drives his $200k sports car into the garage of his $3 million dollar house, it must feel good to be an asshole.

Anyway, if you ever get a figure ... I just might be able to provide a solution.

I'd prefer to discuss specifics privately and I am being very coy about who I discuss this with, so if you have something to bring to the table and can prove your bona fides I would be happy to discuss further off this forum.

Bladewire · 05-31-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I'd prefer to discuss specifics privately and I am being very coy about who I discuss this with

stever · 05-31-2011, 02:31 PM

yo squirtit

where can i find this kind of lesbian talent?

Klen · 05-31-2011, 02:36 PM

Hmm,do we have new Julian Assange in creation ?

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Hmm,do we have new Julian Assange in creation ?

Julian and I know eachother from our days as members of APANA (Australian Public Access Network Association). APANA provided net access to the public in Australia before any real commercial ISP existed. He ran Suburbia a public access site, I ran another one. We share many interests and still keep in irregular contact.

BlacksOnBlondes · 05-31-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

AK, not many as far as I can see... and we have a clear repeat infringer policy, usually the same person would upload it again, so they would be quickly banned.

You keep saying this, but I don't see it. CHECK OUT THIS THREAD

In that thread you said this guy was not banned because of a "software bug". That was 7 months ago.

DWB · 05-31-2011, 03:06 PM

We will never forget.

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

There really isn't specifics to discuss other then a number. If you can get a number hit my user CP and I'll contact you for the info and provide a solution.

If the solution is server location, that's been resolved, you can ICQ me if it's something else. We have already been offered the following things:

Tube software
Cash
Domains
Server Hardware

I have already determined where the servers would be placed in a jurisdictional advantaged location.

If there is anything else you can bring to the table, hit me on ICQ, lets have a chat.

gideongallery · 05-31-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Nathan: Your tubes are operating outside the law when they select videos suitable for distribution on your network by using humans to decide what is acceptable. You must use an automated process, such as, the way Smart Thumbs rotates all newly uploaded galleries through the index page allowing surfers to vote on what moves up, down or is ultimately removed from the page.

You don't have such a process. You have someone who works for your company making that decision.

you need to hire a competent lawyer or get your reading and comprehension level up to that of a 3rd grader

Limitation for Transitory Communications

btw you might want to take a look at the youtube vs viacomm arguements that went on this forum

specifically the "smoking gun" found by PM (gasp they filtered porn ) that was going to cause them to lose that case (which surprise surprise they didn't)

kristin · 05-31-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Let me predict something, nothing is going to happen.

No offense.

This made me LOL. I'm done reading the thread now.

Bladewire · 05-31-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

If the solution is server location, that's been resolved, you can ICQ me if it's something else. We have already been offered the following things:

Tube software
Cash
Domains
Server Hardware

I have already determined where the servers would be placed in a jurisdictional advantaged location.

If there is anything else you can bring to the table, hit me on ICQ, lets have a chat.

1) Tube software: You already have tube sites up so you already have that software.

2) Cash: really? how much?

3) Domains: Dude you have over 100 domains on two servers why don't you just put it on one of those?

4) Server Hardware: You can start for well under $100/mo and work your way up, but you know this already.

Another thing, I've researched you a little today and while a tiny bit of what you've been up to really freaks me out, overall you are hard working, creative (that Vanuatu domain is brilliant by the way, site is nice and simple too

), and have a lot going on.

You really could take my earlier advise and start doing this yourself THEN bring others aboard. People will continue saying that nothing is going to happen, because you've done nothing yet.

Agent 488 · 05-31-2011, 04:49 PM

what kind of ad rates you changing on the manwin tube?

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit

1) Tube software: You already have tube sites up so you already have that software.

2) Cash: really? how much?

3) Domains: Dude you have over 100 domains on two servers why don't you just put it on one of those?

4) Server Hardware: You can start for well under $100/mo and work your way up, but you know this already.

Another thing, I've researched you a little today and while a tiny bit of what you've been up to really freaks me out, overall you are hard working, creative (that Vanuatu domain is brilliant by the way, site is nice and simple too

), and have a lot going on.

You really could take my earlier advise and start doing this yourself THEN bring others aboard. People will continue saying that nothing is going to happen, because you've done nothing yet.

I have no idea what could freak you out, maybe you could hit me up on ICQ and let me know, if there is crap about me out there I'd like to know about it.

I have many more than 2 servers, spread over 3 continents and you've well underestimated the number of domains I own.

I have said a number of times in this thread that I may not do it. We're looking at a way to bring it up to Manwin so they stop the tube shit and get legal with it. However thanks for the advice, I do listen to what people tell me and think about it then take it on board.

Cheers.

crockett · 05-31-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

AdultKing, do you seriously think nobody is trading our content and uploading it to tubes???

Our brazzers division is DMCAing our tube division all the time, just like we send out 100 dmca notices to other sites every single day.

It's a part of doing business, it's the way the law works.

We follow all the rules, if you think the way to "beat us at our own game" is to BREAK dmca rules and upload our content to your own sites, do it. It will just get you sued. And you WILL lose, wherever you host it.

Yea probably the only DMC's you actually act on is my bet..

signupdamnit · 05-31-2011, 05:15 PM

The reality is that you probably aren't going to be able to take down Manwin alone or even with a few friends. If you want to do that you're better off trying it legally (if you have the funds and evidence). Absent that I think your best bet is getting the sleeping giant (The United States Government) to go after them. This is assuming that they are dirty. This is what they probably fear Far Far Far more than what you are trying to do.

I believe in a previous post many months ago Nathan stated something such as "often the US Government makes mistakes" in a reply referencing the situation with Mansef. I think doing things such as sending those comments to the old prosecutors of the relevant cases along with current government prosecutors is far more likely to result in some action -- a gamble -- if someone there takes offense to such arrogance.

I am not really after Manwin (there are worse out there and I am getting away from paysites) but if I were there's where I'd be concentrating my firepower.

I caught something about a repeat offender policy change. Hopefully this is helping matters some? If so I will give them some credit. Has anyone noticed improvements to getting content down and actually having it stay down on Manwin properties?

signupdamnit · 05-31-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

Don't leave out the part where all the other videos that repeat infringer has uploaded get moved to your in-house "anonymous" account. Unlike sites with a REAL repeat infringer policies where ALL videos uploaded by a repeat infringer get removed.

You wanna be so transparent but yet you leave out huge details like that. Funny huh?

Ah, there is the answer to my question. Sio it appears that nothing much changed. I had thought perhaps "Nathan" made good on his promises... sad to see.

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Ah, there is the answer to my question. Sio it appears that nothing much changed. I had thought perhaps "Nathan" made good on his promises... sad to see.

I have seen videos gone, then re appear a few days later, gone again then reappear. What are the chances that different people keep uploading micro niche videos to the same tube again and again in such short order ? None.

Manwin are content thieves or at least facilitate blatant content theft. They won't clean up their act so anyone else who wants to try something, please do it.

Phoenix · 05-31-2011, 07:01 PM

all hardcore content should be behind a paid membership area.
i am shocked that it isn't an enforced law, and people streaming hardcore content like that don't get picked up in whatever country they happen to be in.
it should be labelled as child endangerment, or something worse even
i guarantee that a large chunk of viewers of tube content are kids under 16 years of age

convince hilary clinton to get on board, and you would see some people deleting their tubes in an instant and running to spain to hide

V_RocKs · 05-31-2011, 07:07 PM

Set up a sting. Create random users. Upload your copywrited material via the users. Send DMCA's... See if they get challenged. If they do, by whom? You are the user and you didn't challenge yourself...

Send to lawyer and go from there.

Next, send DMCA's and when they get challenged, have the lawyer sue them for the above. Then show the court how Manwin challenges for the users. Which they cannot do. Only the user that uploaded the content can challenge. Show that Manwin is using deception and they lose safe harbor protection.

Done in court it is no longer he said, she said. It is just the facts and Manwin would lose.

BFT3K · 05-31-2011, 07:52 PM

Porn tubes will not exist 2 years from now.

Feast while you can... the famine cometh.

AdultKing · 05-31-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Done in court it is no longer he said, she said. It is just the facts and Manwin would lose.

Why bother with courts when inter-jurisdictional problems make dealing with Manwin almost impossible, much easier to fuck them in a more creative way.

glowlite · 05-31-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Porn tubes will not exist 2 years from now.

Feast while you can... the famine cometh.

I believe that.
I think all the helter skelter freely accessible porn is about to end within the United States.
Porn will still be readily available to US adults (proven adults) that choose to view it.

The rest of the global market? I don't really care.
I already geo filter everything except US traffic anyway.
Does trash slip through? sure, not very damn much though.

JustDaveXxx · 05-31-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

We will never forget.

xholly · 05-31-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Julian and I know eachother from our days as members of APANA (Australian Public Access Network Association). APANA provided net access to the public in Australia before any real commercial ISP existed. He ran Suburbia a public access site, I ran another one. We share many interests and still keep in irregular contact.

damm I remember suburbia, I had no idea Assange ran that.

I think I was member of one called zigzag or zigzak or something, what site did you run? I may have been on it.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-31-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

We will never forget.

For $30 you can get Free Chow Mein...

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96ukssob · 05-31-2011, 11:24 PM

JFK... this post is for you

Nathan · 05-31-2011, 11:26 PM

This is getting really interesting... AK, make sure to let me know when you "start", just in case I miss it...

Agent 488 · 05-31-2011, 11:32 PM

brazzersleaks.com for sale $10,000.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-31-2011, 11:48 PM

This thread is hitting about a 7 on the amusement factor.
I love curious threads.

SomeCreep · 05-31-2011, 11:55 PM

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-01-2011, 12:06 AM

ADG

Love Sex · 06-01-2011, 12:15 AM

Someone forgot Manwin owns more then tubes.

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xholly

damm I remember suburbia, I had no idea Assange ran that.

I think I was member of one called zigzag or zigzak or something, what site did you run? I may have been on it.

I was regional co-ordinator, involved with MacInsanity, which is now Netspace. Also ran oz2.com internet. Some sites included Aardvark, Werple (which became pacific internet), Internode which became Internode and Alphalink which became Alphalink.

Many Australian ISP's spawned from APANA.

Julian ran Suburbia with Mark Dorset. I spoke to Julian this afternoon coincidentally.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-01-2011, 01:00 AM

ADG

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

This is getting really interesting... AK, make sure to let me know when you "start", just in case I miss it...

If, not when, I start I'll be sure not to tell you, I'll let you work it out yourself.

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 01:26 AM

Ak, fair enough...

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Ak, fair enough...

Why not become a legend and take the initiative to clean up your act , then all this goes away ?

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 01:35 AM

First of all... there is no "all this", so nothing can go away...
And second, there is nothing to clean up...

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AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	One thing I need to make clear, this is not about Nathan, this is about Manwin. Nathan is a smart guy trying to make a buck. None of this is personal to me. I am not going to get into the game of personally attacking Nathan. Manwin is the issue at hand and as stated previously, Manwin are being put on notice. Last edited by AdultKing; 05-31-2011 at 12:50 PM..

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signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	The reality is that you probably aren't going to be able to take down Manwin alone or even with a few friends. If you want to do that you're better off trying it legally (if you have the funds and evidence). Absent that I think your best bet is getting the sleeping giant (The United States Government) to go after them. This is assuming that they are dirty. This is what they probably fear Far Far Far more than what you are trying to do. I believe in a previous post many months ago Nathan stated something such as "often the US Government makes mistakes" in a reply referencing the situation with Mansef. I think doing things such as sending those comments to the old prosecutors of the relevant cases along with current government prosecutors is far more likely to result in some action -- a gamble -- if someone there takes offense to such arrogance. I am not really after Manwin (there are worse out there and I am getting away from paysites) but if I were there's where I'd be concentrating my firepower. I caught something about a repeat offender policy change. Hopefully this is helping matters some? If so I will give them some credit. Has anyone noticed improvements to getting content down and actually having it stay down on Manwin properties? Last edited by signupdamnit; 05-31-2011 at 05:18 PM..

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	Set up a sting. Create random users. Upload your copywrited material via the users. Send DMCA's... See if they get challenged. If they do, by whom? You are the user and you didn't challenge yourself... Send to lawyer and go from there. Next, send DMCA's and when they get challenged, have the lawyer sue them for the above. Then show the court how Manwin challenges for the users. Which they cannot do. Only the user that uploaded the content can challenge. Show that Manwin is using deception and they lose safe harbor protection. Done in court it is no longer he said, she said. It is just the facts and Manwin would lose. Last edited by V_RocKs; 05-31-2011 at 07:08 PM..

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moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Just host the sites in the US and rogue uploaders that upload to there will upload to your tubes. Make sure you have a strong connection and add 1000s of Manwin videos a day, while at the same time making sure to respond to DMCAs from them in time, where it takes you on average 5 mins to delete each video. If they want you to show proof that your uploaders aren't you then when Manwin gets sued for the same thing they will have to show the same proof. If you want to beat them at their own game then play the game, don't cheat.

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