you don't know Jey P so shut the fuck up. we are all sorry you are threatened by this thread, and you are a 41-yo unemployed programmer, but this is Jey P's business thread. how about we campaign to fuck up your business prospects? do you even have any?

your comments here are bordering on bannable. you cannot slander someone's business without proof, and you slandered his business here calling him a cheating bastard.

show a little respect ass clown.

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Why do I have to know him to recognize a cheap bastard? Do you know all tube site owners that steal your content and rip you off?

Dont worry, I'm fine. Not unemployed. I will find my way around. I can always start a tube site or an outsourcing company ;)

Hey, but that is what he's doing. Didnt you read the thread?

Well, if I get banned because of this then so be it. He is a cheating bastard and if you get a clue you know it. Day in and day out you see these threads about tube sites and people ripping of others by stealing content and the likes. But if I call out this bastard who is clearly abusing his own then you start crying about my comments.

And about proof, read his first post. An experience programmer for $1800 a month is proof enough that this stinks. So ban me? please do. It's probably better for my health.

Thats exactly what I want fuck face. Get a clue!

You need to stop trying to compare a western world coder (UK, USA, Canada) and their rates to that of 2nd (Poland, Argentina) and 3rd tier (China, India, Paki, Eygpt) markets where the labor is simply cheaper, and does not always mean janitor coders. They are apples and oranges.

The facts are the facts. Western coders simply will not work for 2nd and 3rd tier country rates, and are endlessly being undercut by these guys. This causes a source of frustration, and western coders equate more money for them with a better product. I have hired coders from all over the world, including U.S. and Canada.

I can tell you from 10+ years of experience, while there are 'some' quality coders who meet all of their commitments (project, cost projections, delivery times), rarely is one any better than the other overall. Those in the U.S. blow deadlines just like those in UK, Poland, India and use the same excuses.

While I do not fault you for trying to get more money, and thinking that quality always comes with a higher price tag. That is not always the case. It comes down to the cost of living of that coder, and more often times than not, being undercut by Russians, or Paki's who do comparable work for a lower price.

I totally agree, you have experience on the field, you know your business :)

to give you some examples of our cost of living :

- a nice apt with 1 room in a OK neighborhood : $300-400
- meal at macdonalds : $4-6
- ok restaurant dinner for 2 people : $25

salaries :

- doorman's building : $700-1300
- government employee: $1000-1500
- bus driver: $900
- macdonalds employee: $800

( these are approx numbers of course )

THE Cost of living is still cheap compared to 1st world countries

now this thread became on a thread about Argentina LOL :)

the only thing that matters is i have worked with Jey P and you haven't. so there's only one of us who knows whether he is a "cheating bastard" as you keep saying. the other one is slandering his business.

you were pissed that he didnt praise your almighty work at finding an HTML bug and then you went on and on about how you are overqualified and programmers should be paid top dollar.

the longer this goes on, the more clueless you look. you've never heard of outsourcing? i've paid much less than 1800US a month for a programmer and he did work that would make your bosses question why they overpay you.

Seriously dude, you should read a thread and not just cherry pick little bits and pieces.

Yeah, and I bet you wear sneakers knowingly that little children have created them in a sweatshop. But hey, the are nice and cheap to.

The fact that you keep hiring these guys even though you know that good, honest and qualified people get extremely underpaid makes you are real hero. And in the mean time you want me to work for free.

ok, seems reasonable

So what is your cut from $1800? Let's say you take a third, that leaves him $1200 before tax. I have no idea what the tax is at your country but let's assume it another third. That leaves him with about $800. $300-$400 for his apartment so he still has $400-500 left.

- 2 kids going to school
- health insurance for his wive, 2 kids and himself
- dental cost for the 2 kids
- water, electricity, gas
- shoes, clothes for the family
- his own educational cost like, books, internet, etc, just to keep up
- travel expenses, etc
- he tries to save a little for vacations with his kids
- pension, so he and his wife do not have to work till they die
- etc

Is it still a fair salary? Even in Argentina?

Are you serious here or are you just try to be as ignorant as possible?

This thread only confirms what I intuited long time ago: most programmers grow bitterly ...

Fiddy Russian Programmers
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If they do not like it, they can always move to a country where the cost of living is lower.
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the global market for intellectual labor made possible by the internet should bring living standards closer around the world, it should not be looked at as a tool to be used to take advantage of somebody just because they are in a far away country with limited choices

laptops are just as expensive in eastern europe as they are in usa, maybe more, gasoline is the same, food is expensive, etc

Yeah, true enough. Globalization doing its thing, I guess. I don't personally care too much, but it is somewhat sad to see. $1800/month is probably what a full-time McDonalds employee in Canada makes. But hey, if that's a good paying job in Argentina, then so be it. :)

Adapt or die, and all that jazz.

lol hhhaaaaa

True dat. Survival of the fittest.
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