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redwhiteandblue 05-30-2011 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 18176760)
How do you change it?
What host? On Webair it's under "IP manager". I'm not advocating everyone start using fake ip whois data btw, but if you have a business proxy address to protect your personal privacy there shouldn't be an issue with changing to that.

redwhiteandblue 05-30-2011 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dazzling (Post 18176807)
You can use whois privacy, but you better not be using google Chrome or they will soon get a good idea you own that domain. If your using Google chrome they will know when your registering a Domain Name, their tracking in the browser will show who you did it with and their records show all new domain registrations...they will match it all together and watch your surfing to that website and if your uploading with FTP, etc and eventually they will match you to that private domain. They may not be able to prove it, but that does not matter, all they need do is satisfy themselves it belongs to you. If your using privacy domains then NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use Google Chrome.
Do yourself a favour and get a browser that is NOT being tracked. And Never use google search either....try Scroogle in ssl or Ixquick.
That would be a lot of data to correlate.

Stephen 05-30-2011 10:24 AM
It is my understanding that WHOIS data is considered in Google's algo: among other factors, sites with private registration (obfuscated ownership) are devalued in the listings, since in G's view, legitimate companies with nothing to hide, won't be hiding: A real company name and real office address would be listed... Transparency = legitimacy = better rankings.

AdultKing 05-30-2011 10:28 AM
I can't speak for google, but Pornobug pulls whois data and builds indexes of relationships between sites. It doesn't affect ranking yet, I'm not sure it will, it's more about our internal analysis.

Relentless 05-30-2011 10:29 AM
What kind of asshat algo would be 'aware of useful data that is does not use' ?
Google uses every possible data point but does not make decisions based solely on any one or two of them...

u-Bob 05-30-2011 12:16 PM
from a 5 year old blog post:

"the most talked about thing was the response Matt Cutts gave an audience member in the Interactive Site Review. A member asked for his site to be reviewed and when Matt looked over the site he questioned why he had other sites that were just parked with Ads on it."

u-Bob 05-30-2011 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Squirtit (Post 18175648)
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Google Gmail

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yep, try setting up a page with no inboud links. something like http://foobar.com/newdir/blah/d/f/e/...isitedpage.htm
Paste the url in an email message and email it to a gmail account.... won't take long before google bot pays the page a visit.

Houdini 05-30-2011 12:23 PM
Even if you have privacy, it's easy for them to see who registered it. Think...

You register a domain - Your name/address info goes into the whois.
Takes about 15-30 seconds to apply whois privacy - Your name/address is removed, but still in the domain's whois history.

Bladewire 05-30-2011 12:32 PM
Does Google look at whois data?
 
Google indexing sites based on new Whois registrations - 2004

Google Finds Unregistered Whois Data - 2007

Don't forget that they also collect data from Gmail, Google Toolbar, Webmaster tools, Analytics & Chrome :thumbsup

and Google isn't the only one doing it

u-Bob 05-30-2011 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Houdini (Post 18177662)
Takes about 15-30 seconds to apply whois privacy - Your name/address is removed, but still in the domain's whois history.
that depends on the registrar... any registrar worth using will instantly put in the protected info.

JFK 05-30-2011 12:35 PM
Fitty looks from Google :Graucho

strobi 05-30-2011 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 18175885)
If you want a good reason to NOT use WHOIS privacy, read about RegisterFly.
Oh man, I haven't heard of registerfly in a long time! Man, the horror!

Klen 05-30-2011 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue (Post 18176824)
What host? On Webair it's under "IP manager". I'm not advocating everyone start using fake ip whois data btw, but if you have a business proxy address to protect your personal privacy there shouldn't be an issue with changing to that.
I am on mojohost,and all ip whois details contain Mojohost contact details while my name it's on Customername field.

d-null 05-30-2011 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Houdini (Post 18177662)
Even if you have privacy, it's easy for them to see who registered it. Think...

You register a domain - Your name/address info goes into the whois.
Takes about 15-30 seconds to apply whois privacy - Your name/address is removed, but still in the domain's whois history.
so to be smart we should put fake registration in when registering the domain, then put privacy on it, the privacy whois satisfies the icann requirements since the contact info is legit to the registrar and email can still get through :2 cents:

baddog 05-30-2011 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18175383)
yes. .
News to me. Have proof/link?

chaze 05-30-2011 07:04 PM
They have not admitted it, but I am pretty sure they do.

Agent 488 05-30-2011 07:07 PM
it's in one of their patents and matt cutts talks about it somewhere as well.

dazzling 05-31-2011 12:04 AM
In the end we as Webmasters need to stop giving so much power to Google. Stop using Google Chrome, Stop using Gmail, Stop using Google Search and also give a little advertising on your websites to promote alternatives to your users.
In the long term its in your own interest.

INever 05-31-2011 12:08 AM
Like Dazzling's avatar says, Google would look up your asshole if they could. They also look to see who's on the same server as you, etc etc, age of domain, time spent on site, etc etc

Vendot 05-31-2011 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18177676)
that depends on the registrar... any registrar worth using will instantly put in the protected info.
Thats right. Namecheap applies it immediately upon registration ie there is no delay and no chance for any whois collector to record the data youre hiding behind whois privacy.

will76 05-31-2011 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 18175375)
Sure, I know you can opt for a privacy whois but the point is...... if you show your details in the whois and have loads of sites with the same name and address etc. Does Google use that data to help moderate your listings? In other words, it might say okay on this search term we have six sites on the first page, all from the same person - so let us penalise a few of them....

Maybe this is a stupid question. If they dont do it yet, surely they eventually will?

Any views appreciated....

I am sure they do. Google will look at the lint in your pockets. They check everything. Who is, if you have privacy on i bet anything you get knocked for it. What legit sites hide their identity. I bet they check your traffic rankings, why rank you well for keywords if you don't get any traffic. They check everything. They know what you know before you know it.

Vendot 05-31-2011 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18180855)
I am sure they do. Google will look at the lint in your pockets. They check everything. Who is, if you have privacy on i bet anything you get knocked for it. What legit sites hide their identity. I bet they check your traffic rankings, why rank you well for keywords if you don't get any traffic. They check everything. They know what you know before you know it.
Im sure if you click a link and then immediately click on the back button to return to google, they might assume that the site that was found was not of interest for that particular keyword in that particular search and thus penalise the site.

Why the hell would they care how much traffic you get?

Agent 488 05-31-2011 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 18181524)
Im sure if you click a link and then immediately click on the back button to return to google, they might assume that the site that was found was not of interest for that particular keyword in that particular search and thus penalise the site.

Why the hell would they care how much traffic you get?
think you have to brush up on your modern seo. :2 cents:

will76 05-31-2011 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 18181524)
Im sure if you click a link and then immediately click on the back button to return to google, they might assume that the site that was found was not of interest for that particular keyword in that particular search and thus penalise the site.

Why the hell would they care how much traffic you get?
its common sense logic.... and i have also experience drastic changes on domains after i turned up traffic on them.

When it comes to how they rank you based on keywords especially popular keywords traffic is a *decent* (not in all cases) indicator of popularity. For example if i own a site that gets 100 hits a day and I am trying to rank "sex" and another site has 500,000 hits a day and is trying to rank for sex, don't you think the one with more traffic would be factored into their equation and given more weight then the one that has just 100 hits?

d-null 05-31-2011 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 18181524)
Im sure if you click a link and then immediately click on the back button to return to google, they might assume that the site that was found was not of interest for that particular keyword in that particular search and thus penalise the site.

Why the hell would they care how much traffic you get?
somebody needs to sell a service of clicking on your competitor's site and then immediately clicking back over 100's of ips and computers :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Houdini 05-31-2011 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 18180796)
Thats right. Namecheap applies it immediately upon registration ie there is no delay and no chance for any whois collector to record the data youre hiding behind whois privacy.
Since when? They give you a free whois, but you have to manually select the domain you want to use it for. I don't have the membership for domaintools anymore, but when I did, I could see my original registration for domains that I had applied whois privacy just seconds afterwards. The only way to get around it is by using false info when you setup the domain account.

merina0803 05-31-2011 08:04 PM
they search hard drives as well

chaze 06-02-2011 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 18181524)
Im sure if you click a link and then immediately click on the back button to return to google, they might assume that the site that was found was not of interest for that particular keyword in that particular search and thus penalise the site.

Why the hell would they care how much traffic you get?
Actually there blog stated they do factor this but in a complex way.

Vendot 06-02-2011 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18181529)
think you have to brush up on your modern seo. :2 cents:
I think im reasonably accomplished in SEO - I rank top for just about every major keyword I target but there are things I dont know and thats why Im asking questions. I still dont understand why how much traffic a site has is of any relevance to why it should rank better than a site with less traffic.

I always thought decisions were based primarily on the nature and quality of the content.

Vendot 06-02-2011 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18181552)
When it comes to how they rank you based on keywords especially popular keywords traffic is a *decent* (not in all cases) indicator of popularity. For example if i own a site that gets 100 hits a day and I am trying to rank "sex" and another site has 500,000 hits a day and is trying to rank for sex, don't you think the one with more traffic would be factored into their equation and given more weight then the one that has just 100 hits?
Yes but my question is why - whats the logic? You could be pulling in tens of thousands of hits from spam email to a rubbish web page - simply being more popular doesnt say anything about the quality of the content, relevance to the keyword or anything else. Personally, I dont get it.

From my own experience though, I have many mainstream sites which consistently (over many years) rank way higher on specific keywords than my competitors who have, in many cases, similar SEO situations and yet many times more traffic.

Vendot 06-02-2011 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Houdini (Post 18181562)
Since when? They give you a free whois, but you have to manually select the domain you want to use it for.
Its currently implemented into the registration routine (maybe since a few months) so that when you register a new domain, you can apply the whois privacy immediately and it does not need to be done from the control panel later on.


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