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  • Sid70
    Downshifter
    • Dec 2002
    • 16413
    #1

    PSD? Fuck no.

    I stop this, giving away my PSDs for FREE.
    You are paying for a final product, giving a PSD out was never a standard, unless
    PSD was requested in the first place.
    Since fucking design prices dropped dead i declare NO PSD anymore, pls, subscribe for
    monthly or whatever update recurring service if you want that.

    No really, wtf?
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    • MaDalton
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      • Feb 2004
      • 39861
      #2
      in that case have them at least available when a client asks you for more work - my
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        • Sid70
          Downshifter
          • Dec 2002
          • 16413
          #3
          Originally posted by MaDalton
          in that case have them at least available when a client asks you for more work - my
          There is no more work at gfy.
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            • Cyndalie
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2002
              • 3615
              #4
              Commercial artists (before computers killed the industry) used to have a creative price based on usage - creating the piece and if it'd be used for internal company projects or say a nationwide billboard, and licensing rights to be paid for other uses thereafter; and/or a buyout price in which the artist released the usage rights to the client to use the piece however they see fit.

              I've always thought graphic designers should take this into consideration as well, but very few have knowledge of the business of art. Delivering a flat design that has been commissioned for one site is different from delivering a template (PSD). This is a lot easier to negotiate when the market isn't flooded with cheap labor unfortunately.
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                • Sid70
                  Downshifter
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 16413
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Cyndalie
                  Commercial artists (before computers killed the industry)
                  I thought industry was killed by tubes
                  Seriously, you dont compare artists and web designers, thats a whole another thing being an artist.

                  But, in regards with PSD, its like requesting a source code for a program.
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                    • Emil
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 5658
                      #6
                      I would never use a designer that didn't give away the PSDs.
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                        • NaughtyRob
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                          • Nov 2004
                          • 29602
                          #7
                          Wrong. I would NEVER buy something and NOT get the .psds.
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                            • Serge Litehead
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 5190
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Emil
                              I would never use a designer that didn't give away the PSDs.
                              Sid says he doesn't mind releasing PSDs as long they're (fairly) paid for

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                                • TheSquealer
                                  Mayor of Thneedville
                                  • Oct 2004
                                  • 26174
                                  #9
                                  People are paying for whatever it is agreed that they are paying for. If you don't like being a designer that has to work for peanuts, then find a real job or stop fucking around in adult and do mainstream.

                                  No fucking way in hell will i EVER pay for a design and not have the PSD's. It's a big enough pain in the fucking ass to get you fucks to get the work done when you said it would be done to begin with... i'm not going to chase you around when i need simple changes made.
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                                    • Sid70
                                      Downshifter
                                      • Dec 2002
                                      • 16413
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by NaughtyRob
                                      Wrong. I would NEVER buy something and NOT get the .psds.
                                      Because you cant afford modifications if you need those?
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                                        • Sid70
                                          Downshifter
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 16413
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                          People are paying for whatever it is agreed that they are paying for. If you don't like being a designer that has to work for peanuts, then find a real job or stop fucking around in adult and do mainstream.
                                          I am in mainstream now. And you dont tell me where I have to fuck around, get the fuck out outta here yourself, cheap ass.

                                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                          No fucking way in hell will i EVER pay for a design and not have the PSD's. It's a big enough pain in the fucking ass to get you fucks to get the work done when you said it would be done to begin with... i'm not going to chase you around when i need simple changes made.
                                          You should stop hiring $3 site designers.
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                                            • Sid70
                                              Downshifter
                                              • Dec 2002
                                              • 16413
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by holograph
                                              Sid says he doesn't mind releasing PSDs as long they're (fairly) paid for
                                              I wouldnt try being nice to these people. But i know you think different.
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                                                • Harmon
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                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                  • 20012
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Sid70
                                                  ...you dont compare artists and web designers, thats a whole another thing being an artist.
                                                  I disagree. Maybe that's your problem.
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                                                    • ottopottomouse
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                                                      • Jan 2010
                                                      • 13177
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                      in that case have them at least available when a client asks you for more work - my
                                                      Depends on whether it was expected but even when you give them out the client still manages to lose them.
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                                                        • Sid70
                                                          Downshifter
                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                          • 16413
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Harmon
                                                          I disagree. Maybe that's your problem.
                                                          I dont have a problem.

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                                                            • wehateporn
                                                              Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                              • Apr 2007
                                                              • 27176
                                                              #16
                                                              It's difficult for designers with all the contest forums around. There are good designers willing to take just $30 because they don't know how to market themselves.

                                                              If all designers joined forces and kept PSDs it would work, but that ain't going to happen.

                                                              The last time someone tried not giving me a PSD, I moved to another designer.

                                                              I completely understand where you're coming from though! It might be better to approach companies in your local area who have no idea what the going rate is online. Sometimes the going rate isn't fair, especially when loads of third worlders have brought it right down

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                                                                • Kelli58
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                  • 2253
                                                                  #17
                                                                  I also would never use a designer who didn't give me the PSD files. There are so many artists out there, no need to put up with a drama queen artist who won't give me the PSD files.
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                                                                    • barcodes
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Mar 2011
                                                                      • 2040
                                                                      #18
                                                                      If I do work for someone, print or web related, I don't give the files away by default. If they ask for them I give them whatever they ask for. All my work other than my adult sites are mainstream though and most of the people wouldn't know what to do with em.

                                                                      Out of curiosity, what do you charge for work?
                                                                      Last edited by barcodes; 05-25-2011, 08:40 AM.

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                                                                        • cherrylula
                                                                          lol
                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                          • 15969
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Yeah that can be a tough issue!

                                                                          For large jobs, of course clients get the psd. But if they want a $15 banner or gallery and that's it, and expect the psd, well...

                                                                          But usually it is discussed up front, and not an issue. Communication is the key.

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                                                                            • halfpint
                                                                              GFY's Halfpint
                                                                              • Jun 2007
                                                                              • 15223
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I am paying for a service which you are designing for my purpose. If a designer did not offer me the PSDs I simply wouldent use them.
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                                                                                • Babaganoosh
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                                                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                                                  • 15841
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  I hope you have the psd for your own site handy...

                                                                                  "to generate you design ideas and create attractive visual forms for web"
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                                                                                    • carzygirls
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Oct 2010
                                                                                      • 857
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      All designers should give psd files. Always and without question.

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                                                                                        • cherrylula
                                                                                          lol
                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                          • 15969
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Babaganoosh I really dig your avatar. I've always had a thing for white gorillas. lol (eww not the human kind)

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                                                                                            • Chosen
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                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 63151
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I thought you don't have to work anymore

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                                                                                                • Sid70
                                                                                                  Downshifter
                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                  • 16413
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                                                                  I hope you have the psd for your own site handy...

                                                                                                  "to generate you design ideas and create attractive visual forms for web"
                                                                                                  No. I dont need them at all.
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                                                                                                    • Sid70
                                                                                                      Downshifter
                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                                      • 16413
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Chosen
                                                                                                      I thought you don't have to work anymore
                                                                                                      Yeah, but people still need PSDs!
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                                                                                                        • Sid70
                                                                                                          Downshifter
                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                          • 16413
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by carzygirls
                                                                                                          All designers should give psd files. Always and without question.
                                                                                                          That's very 2010, and also, all designs should be free, same as webmasters should be paid by affiliate programs without notice, wait, no?
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                                                                                                            • Sid70
                                                                                                              Downshifter
                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                              • 16413
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by halfpint
                                                                                                              I am paying for a service which you are designing for my purpose. If a designer did not offer me the PSDs I simply wouldent use them.
                                                                                                              You would use someone who you like working with / work of, PSD is not related. I heard giving porn for free ended up not so good for the industry.
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                                                                                                                • candyflip
                                                                                                                  Carpe Visio
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                  • 43069
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I do not provide any PSD files unless it was discussed prior to starting the project, and if they do get it...there's often a hefty fee on top of it. I have never had anyone give me a hard time over this policy.

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                                                                                                                    • cherrylula
                                                                                                                      lol
                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                      • 15969
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Actually have had a few clients that just want psd! But not really concerned. At this point the bulk of our clients are old customers and we know what they need.

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                                                                                                                        • Sid70
                                                                                                                          Downshifter
                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                          • 16413
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                                                                                          It's difficult for designers with all the contest forums around. There are good designers willing to take just $30 because they don't know how to market themselves.

                                                                                                                          If all designers joined forces and kept PSDs it would work, but that ain't going to happen.

                                                                                                                          The last time someone tried not giving me a PSD, I moved to another designer.

                                                                                                                          I completely understand where you're coming from though! It might be better to approach companies in your local area who have no idea what the going rate is online. Sometimes the going rate isn't fair, especially when loads of third worlders have brought it right down
                                                                                                                          Spoiled? Yeah, most likely. Just remember, someone is too spoiled to pay for porn.
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                                                                                                                            • Sid70
                                                                                                                              Downshifter
                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                              • 16413
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                                                              I do not provide any PSD files unless it was discussed prior to starting the project, and if they do get it...there's often a hefty fee on top of it. I have never had anyone give me a hard time over this policy.
                                                                                                                              This is my case too.

                                                                                                                              But.

                                                                                                                              At times, it's just sick if you know what i mean.
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                                                                                                                                • Verbal
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 3420
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  I gladly give the PSD, nicely layered and labeled (with all the fonts) to any of my clients that ask for them. Everybody always comes back and design prices keep going up. You are not special and if you continue to nickel and dime your customers they will go elsewhere.

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                                                                                                                                    • marlboroack
                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2010
                                                                                                                                      • 9327
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I make all of my cash from GFY and XBIZ, and design work is still the same as it was a few years ago. A lot of war, but still works out if you have great design work. I have more now than i have had a few years ago

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                                                                                                                                        • RyuLion
                                                                                                                                          ClubDomCash.com
                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 32369
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          I always negotiate the PSDs in the initial quote.

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                                                                                                                                            • Sid70
                                                                                                                                              Downshifter
                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 16413
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Verbal
                                                                                                                                              I gladly give the PSD, nicely layered and labeled (with all the fonts) to any of my clients that ask for them. Everybody always comes back and design prices keep going up. You are not special and if you continue to nickel and dime your customers they will go elsewhere.
                                                                                                                                              I dont have any customer on gfy.
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                                                                                                                                                • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                  Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 16413
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by RyuLion
                                                                                                                                                  I always negotiate the PSDs in the initial quote.
                                                                                                                                                  This is correct!
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                                                                                                                                                    • halfpint
                                                                                                                                                      GFY's Halfpint
                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2007
                                                                                                                                                      • 15223
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sid70
                                                                                                                                                      You would use someone who you like working with / work of, PSD is not related. I heard giving porn for free ended up not so good for the industry.
                                                                                                                                                      You cant compare giving porn away for free to design work. The buyer pays for the work to be done which are normally for thier own sites or clients. What would be the point of paying $$$ for a design then giving it 100 other people for free. The whole point of having your site or banners or what ever designed is to be unique or better than your contenders.

                                                                                                                                                      That design work I had done which i posted in the other thread I would have not had done if he did not offer me the PSDs and also the PNGs for the mascots I would have just gone to another designer even though I liked his work

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                                                                                                                                                        • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                          Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 16413
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by halfpint
                                                                                                                                                          You cant compare giving porn away for free to design work. The buyer pays for the work to be done which are normally for thier own sites or clients. What would be the point of paying $$$ for a design then giving it 100 other people for free. The whole point of having your site or banners or what ever designed is to be unique or better than your contenders.

                                                                                                                                                          That design work I had done which i posted in the other thread I would have not had done if he did not offer me the PSDs and also the PNGs for the mascots I would have just gone to another designer even though I liked his work
                                                                                                                                                          Serious set of rules you have.
                                                                                                                                                          There are many reasons you can give it out, say, modify bits and create 100 more blogs LIKE that. But you dig too deep. Im saying its not BY DEFAULT, i discuss giving a PSD out.
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                                                                                                                                                            • CurrentlySober
                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 38945
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I paid $600 for a custom blog skin back 2007. As part of the package, it said PSD included.

                                                                                                                                                              When I eventually tried to open the PSD - around two years later - It was just one layer - and not even full size! More like a screen capture saved as a psd file ! lol

                                                                                                                                                              Of course, the company is now no longer around...

                                                                                                                                                              I dont care really, but if I were to ever purchase another thing of that kinda value, yes, I would expect a PSD.

                                                                                                                                                              Not so much so I could could do 'DIY' changes - Just so if the designer disappeared, I would be able to get another designer to make the changes.
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                                                                                                                                                                • ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2011
                                                                                                                                                                  • 1241
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  I have always provided PSD files...
                                                                                                                                                                  No extra cost, no fee nothing. I make it you get the PSD's thats how I roll.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • halfpint
                                                                                                                                                                      GFY's Halfpint
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2007
                                                                                                                                                                      • 15223
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sid70
                                                                                                                                                                      Serious set of rules you have.
                                                                                                                                                                      There are many reasons you can give it out, say, modify bits and create 100 more blogs LIKE that. But you dig too deep. Im saying its not BY DEFAULT, i discuss giving a PSD out.
                                                                                                                                                                      I can see your point on the modifying bits and making 100 more blogs out of it but do you give out a licence or tell them they can only use the design on one of thier sites ?

                                                                                                                                                                      And fair enough if you at least discuss it first with what your client wants. Most webmasters have design work done and want the PSDs because if they decide to change something or the site gets hacked they at least have a back up to work with and as currentlysober said if the designer or company disapears and you havent got the PSDs you are pretty much screwed

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                                                                                                                                                                        • cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                                          lol
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 15969
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by marlboroack
                                                                                                                                                                          I make all of my cash from GFY and XBIZ, and design work is still the same as it was a few years ago. A lot of war, but still works out if you have great design work. I have more now than i have had a few years ago
                                                                                                                                                                          If you weren't posting here in like 2002, you've never really seen a designer war.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Kiopa_Matt
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2007
                                                                                                                                                                              • 1448
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Well, don't provide a PSD before payment, no. Give a JPEG, they approve the design, send you your monies, then you send the PSD.
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                                                                                                                                                                                • machinegunkelly
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 3304
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  LMAO

                                                                                                                                                                                  I said this years ago, and got shit on hardcore. so I hope you have your flame suit on

                                                                                                                                                                                  Now, I don't give a fuck, take your PSD, if you're gonna make 100 sites out of it, who fuckin' cares, as long as you don't expect support for them LOL.
                                                                                                                                                                                  dead.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • machinegunkelly
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 3304
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                                                      If you weren't posting here in like 2002, you've never really seen a designer war.
                                                                                                                                                                                      This.

                                                                                                                                                                                      For sho.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I honestly remember wanting to physically harm your hubby
                                                                                                                                                                                      He knows how to push buttons. LOL.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm over it, we've made up since
                                                                                                                                                                                      dead.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • machinegunkelly
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 3304
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Verbal
                                                                                                                                                                                          I gladly give the PSD, nicely layered and labeled (with all the fonts) to any of my clients that ask for them. Everybody always comes back and design prices keep going up. You are not special and if you continue to nickel and dime your customers they will go elsewhere.
                                                                                                                                                                                          As fair as that is, You likely don't have rights to pass on fonts.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I provide links to fonts, and PSD's
                                                                                                                                                                                          dead.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                                                              lol
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 15969
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by machinegunkelly
                                                                                                                                                                                              This.

                                                                                                                                                                                              For sho.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I honestly remember wanting to physically harm your hubby
                                                                                                                                                                                              He knows how to push buttons. LOL.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm over it, we've made up since
                                                                                                                                                                                              Ah glad you were a part of all that.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I was actually thinking about Amp too, crazy times back in the day!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 16413
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by halfpint
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I can see your point on the modifying bits and making 100 more blogs out of it but do you give out a licence or tell them they can only use the design on one of thier sites ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  And fair enough if you at least discuss it first with what your client wants. Most webmasters have design work done and want the PSDs because if they decide to change something or the site gets hacked they at least have a back up to work with and as currentlysober said if the designer or company disapears and you havent got the PSDs you are pretty much screwed
                                                                                                                                                                                                  You know, I wouldnt post it if i wasnt seriously driven crazy by numerous requests that has been far off normal as you just posted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Im not in adult now because they trade you down to $3 a banner, order 2 - long and skyscraper, get the PSD and then multiply em by 500.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • NaughtyRob
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Two fresh affiliate progs
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      No dumbfuck. Its because I can do them myself. The design is exclusive. So are you saying you re-use psds for multiple clients? Giving psds is standard. Period.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sid70
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Because you cant afford modifications if you need those?
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