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  • bausch
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2006
    • 3017

    #1

    Does Domain Name Systems not have a grace period?

    I forgot to renew a domain and someone else already snatched it up. Does anyone know how long the grace period is with Domain Name Systems if you forget to renew a domain?
  • iamtam
    So Fucking Banned
    • Feb 2010
    • 1211

    #2
    10 minutes.

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    • bausch
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2006
      • 3017

      #3
      Originally posted by iamtam
      10 minutes.
      Anyone know?

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      • nickutis
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2002
        • 719

        #4
        about 40 days in grace period, then 30 days of redemption period (owner can still reactivate for additional fee), and then 5 days in pendingDelete status.
        Last edited by nickutis; 05-25-2011, 05:24 PM.

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        • barcodes
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          • Mar 2011
          • 2040

          #5
          nvm,
          8char
          Last edited by barcodes; 05-25-2011, 05:22 PM.

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          • NaughtyRob
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            #6
            I think you have 90 days, not sure though.
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            • bausch
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              • Jul 2006
              • 3017

              #7
              Originally posted by nickutis
              about 30 days in redemption period (owner can still reactivate for additional fee), and then 5 days in pendingDelete status.
              I think that's Directnic...they have a grace period. I don't think DomainNameSystems does I am don't think my domain has expired over 30 days yet and when I check whois it's a different owner. I think it's been 2 weeks the most.

              When I log in the admin my domain is gone. There is no option to renew at an extra fee (which I would be glad to do)

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              • barcodes
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2011
                • 2040

                #8
                Originally posted by NaughtyRob
                I think you have 90 days, not sure though.
                I thought your registrar usually gives you some time as a last chance, then it falls into redemption for 3 months as well.
                Last edited by barcodes; 05-25-2011, 05:27 PM.

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                • nickutis
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 719

                  #9
                  Originally posted by bausch
                  I think that's Directnic...they have a grace period. I don't think DomainNameSystems does I am don't think my domain has expired over 30 days yet and when I check whois it's a different owner. I think it's been 2 weeks the most.

                  When I log in the admin my domain is gone. There is no option to renew at an extra fee (which I would be glad to do)
                  I believe grace period is different for each registrar..

                  If domain is worth the headache, I would try to contact their support and ask what happend

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                  • bausch
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 3017

                    #10
                    Originally posted by nickutis
                    I believe grace period is different for each registrar..

                    If domain is worth the headache, I would try to contact their support and ask what happend
                    I did last night, no one responded yet.

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                    • Bill8
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 1901

                      #11
                      They do not really have a grace period. I've lost names there after a few days, I've also had names expire for close to two weeks and been able to rereg them.

                      It seems to depend on wether or not one of their shadowy aggregator drop buyers wants the name.

                      if one of their aggregators grabbed your name, you are fucked.

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                      • bausch
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 3017

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bill8
                        They do not really have a grace period. I've lost names there after a few days, I've also had names expire for close to two weeks and been able to rereg them.

                        It seems to depend on wether or not one of their shadowy aggregator drop buyers wants the name.

                        if one of their aggregators grabbed your name, you are fucked.

                        Yep, that's what I think too... What is their shadowy aggregator? Is that a service they offer? How can I tell if an aggregator grabbed it?

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                        • DigitalTheory
                          ^-^
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 1055

                          #13
                          Not seeing anything about a grace period/ redemption status http://www.domainnamesystems.com/legal.html

                          As consideration for the domain name registration services provided by DomainNameSystems, you shall pay all non-refundable applicable initial registration fees and renewal fees. You will be notified when renewal fees are due, and it shall be your responsibility to ensure that such fees are paid. Should these fees go unpaid by the expiration date specified in the renewal notice, your registration will be cancelled, and the name can be resold or reassigned to another party. You agree that DomainNameSystems shall have no liability whatsoever with respect to any such cancellation, and that DomainNameSystems may cancel or reassign the domain name in the event of delinquency.

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                          • bausch
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 3017

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DigitalTheory
                            Not seeing anything about a grace period/ redemption status http://www.domainnamesystems.com/legal.html
                            They finally emailed me back....

                            Hello Jacki8e

                            When I look at your acct the domain had expired on May 8th and was not
                            deleted out of your acct until May 22nd.. which is much longer than generally
                            allowed for domain expirys. It was deleted from your acct and placed in a
                            list of expired domains that all our customers have access to.

                            If you are interested in purchasing the domain back please give me an offer
                            that you would be willing to offer the current owner of the domain as this
                            particular customer would not answer any emails you may want to send.

                            thank you

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                            • GAMEFINEST
                              Make STACK$
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 14477

                              #15
                              yeah thats normal
                              Compound interest.

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                              • GAMEFINEST
                                Make STACK$
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 14477

                                #16
                                if they have a aftermarket domain auction before getting deleted thats probably what hapened aye
                                Compound interest.

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                                • Bill8
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 1901

                                  #17
                                  may 8th? you're fucked. move on.

                                  if you don't have names you don't want to lose on autorenew, especially with domain name systems, you can't complain when you lose them.

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                                  • Bill8
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 1901

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by bausch
                                    Yep, that's what I think too... What is their shadowy aggregator? Is that a service they offer? How can I tell if an aggregator grabbed it?
                                    well, i can tell by looking at the page the aggregator throws up on your dropped name. aggers tend to have distinctive pages.

                                    "shadowy agggregator" isn't a service, it's a group of domain drop speculators that buy up domain drops and throw up a harvestor page on them to try to extract a small profit off the traffic left on the name.

                                    "shadowy" because people have speculated without proof that they are somehow connected to cheapies and gord. they don't have to be tho, aggregators will buy drops wherever they can get them at a price that makes it likely they will see a profit.

                                    there was a day when domainnamesystems was considered a decent registrar. now it's a pit.

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                                    • lagcam
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jul 2007
                                      • 2890

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by bausch
                                      They finally emailed me back....

                                      Hello Jacki8e

                                      When I look at your acct the domain had expired on May 8th and was not
                                      deleted out of your acct until May 22nd.. which is much longer than generally
                                      allowed for domain expirys. It was deleted from your acct and placed in a
                                      list of expired domains that all our customers have access to.

                                      If you are interested in purchasing the domain back please give me an offer
                                      that you would be willing to offer the current owner of the domain as this
                                      particular customer would not answer any emails you may want to send.

                                      thank you
                                      Sounds like they are holding it themselves, and THEY are the "particular customer" that "would not answer any emails you may want to send"

                                      There was a recent post by $5submissions linking to an article about expired domains that whilst old still appears relevant.

                                      A couple of months ago, I was getting daily emails saying the owner of liveasiangirlcam.com (singular of my domain) was for sale and inviting me to make offers. I checked the whois and it had expired 2 months before, and was "pending delete". as I didn't respond to any of these emails, they then sent me a last email saying that I could enter the final bidding for just $100.

                                      I didn't. Instead, I waited until the day specified in the article (from memory I think it was about 80 days or something?) and then I went to another registrar and got it for $9.

                                      I didn't really need that domain, but I didn't really want it appearing on a dropped domain list and somebody else doing something with it so I could be patient, but if the domain in question is important to you, don't risk doing what I did.
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                                      • Konda
                                        ...
                                        • Apr 2003
                                        • 2280

                                        #20
                                        Domainnamesystems is known for doing this. If you don't renew your domain it's gone. Sometimes after just a few days. There are many many horror stories about them on this board.

                                        Most registrars send reminders about renewals months in advance, then the last weeks every week, then every day. There is no way to miss it. But domainnamesystesms doesn't send any reminders at all. If you run out of funds in your account they only send 1 failed to renew email. If you happen to be travelling or something and find it a few days later, your domain is already gone ...

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                                        • bausch
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2006
                                          • 3017

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by lagcam
                                          Sounds like they are holding it themselves, and THEY are the "particular customer" that "would not answer any emails you may want to send"

                                          There was a recent post by $5submissions linking to an article about expired domains that whilst old still appears relevant.

                                          A couple of months ago, I was getting daily emails saying the owner of liveasiangirlcam.com (singular of my domain) was for sale and inviting me to make offers. I checked the whois and it had expired 2 months before, and was "pending delete". as I didn't respond to any of these emails, they then sent me a last email saying that I could enter the final bidding for just $100.

                                          I didn't. Instead, I waited until the day specified in the article (from memory I think it was about 80 days or something?) and then I went to another registrar and got it for $9.

                                          I didn't really need that domain, but I didn't really want it appearing on a dropped domain list and somebody else doing something with it so I could be patient, but if the domain in question is important to you, don't risk doing what I did.

                                          Yep, I had a feeling it's them too. I just didn't want to say anything. I regret not transferring it to Directnic.

                                          Konda, I never received any emails. Directnic always send me a gazillion.

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                                          • Shap
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2001
                                            • 8313

                                            #22
                                            Had the same thing happen to me

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                                            • twistyneck
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 4660

                                              #23
                                              What a piece of shit company. Namecheap gives you 27 days.

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                                              • CYF
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                                                • Mar 2009
                                                • 10973

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by bausch
                                                Yep, I had a feeling it's them too. I just didn't want to say anything. I regret not transferring it to Directnic.

                                                Konda, I never received any emails. Directnic always send me a gazillion.
                                                Directnic's not that great either, there are reports of them squatting domains and other shady shit. Google has more info on it if you search.
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                                                • blackmonsters
                                                  Making PHP work
                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 20961

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Konda
                                                  Domainnamesystems is known for doing this. If you don't renew your domain it's gone. Sometimes after just a few days. There are many many horror stories about them on this board.

                                                  Most registrars send reminders about renewals months in advance, then the last weeks every week, then every day. There is no way to miss it. But domainnamesystesms doesn't send any reminders at all. If you run out of funds in your account they only send 1 failed to renew email. If you happen to be travelling or something and find it a few days later, your domain is already gone ...
                                                  Domainnamesystems does send out expiring domain notices. They have been doing that for
                                                  a long time.
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                                                  • glowlite
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Dec 2005
                                                    • 366

                                                    #26
                                                    Gord has been fucking people for years. If you can you'd better transfer every domain you have with Domainnamesystems ASAP. G'luck with that though.

                                                    I sincerely hope any domains you regged there have minimal value to your business.



                                                    Sorry! ............

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                                                    • Bill8
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 1901

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                      Domainnamesystems does send out expiring domain notices. They have been doing that for
                                                      a long time.
                                                      not to me, not for about 3 years. I asked them to start sending them again, they said they couldn't. For a while Lisa was mailing me personally when I had drops coming up, but I haven't heard from her in months.

                                                      all I get now is that first day of the month "domains expiring this month" letter.

                                                      I used to have 340 names there.

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                                                      • blackmonsters
                                                        Making PHP work
                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                        • 20961

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Bill8
                                                        not to me, not for about 3 years. I asked them to start sending them again, they said they couldn't. For a while Lisa was mailing me personally when I had drops coming up, but I haven't heard from her in months.

                                                        all I get now is that first day of the month "domains expiring this month" letter.

                                                        I used to have 340 names there.
                                                        Maybe you want them to send more notices, but that is a notice.
                                                        I thought you said that they didn't send any notice.
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                                                        • Bill8
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                          • 1901

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                          Maybe you want them to send more notices, but that is a notice.
                                                          I thought you said that they didn't send any notice.
                                                          I was replying to another poster's statement, which I interpreted as being about the types of notices sent before and after a specific name is expiring.

                                                          like we all get from places like godaddy and moniker.

                                                          like we used to get from cheapies. used to get a 30 day notice, a 5 day notice, a 1 day notice, and an expired notice.

                                                          I don't receive any of those notices anymore.

                                                          but, if we ignore that my comment was about expiring notices for specific names, yes you are right, i did say "any", and domainnamesystems does still send that first of the month email with a list of names expiring that month.

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                                                          • lagcam
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2007
                                                            • 2890

                                                            #30
                                                            Even though this company doesn't sound particularly ethical, you have to accept that it is your own responsibility to know when domain names expire.

                                                            I have around 80 or so over 3 accounts at 2 registrars. I maintain a central log in excel but also, every month, I login to each account and check what will expire next month and renew the ones I don't want to lose.

                                                            You rent domain names rather than "own" them and you lose access to things that you rent when you don't renew them. Any decent domain will have no shortage of people waiting to take it over.
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                                                            • bausch
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2006
                                                              • 3017

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by bausch
                                                              They finally emailed me back....

                                                              Hello Jacki8e

                                                              When I look at your acct the domain had expired on May 8th and was not
                                                              deleted out of your acct until May 22nd.. which is much longer than generally
                                                              allowed for domain expirys. It was deleted from your acct and placed in a
                                                              list of expired domains that all our customers have access to.

                                                              If you are interested in purchasing the domain back please give me an offer
                                                              that you would be willing to offer the current owner of the domain as this
                                                              particular customer would not answer any emails you may want to send.

                                                              thank you
                                                              Hey, how come when check out the whois of my new domain, it shows the owner registered it on Registration Date: 2001-05-08

                                                              but the registrar told me it was not deleted until 5/22?

                                                              How come this individual was able to register on the exact same day it expired?

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                                                              • CYF
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                                                                • Mar 2009
                                                                • 10973

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by bausch
                                                                Hey, how come when check out the whois of my new domain, it shows the owner registered it on Registration Date: 2001-05-08

                                                                but the registrar told me it was not deleted until 5/22?

                                                                How come this individual was able to register on the exact same day it expired?
                                                                probably an expired domain auction.
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                                                                • Konda
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                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                  • 2280

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by lagcam
                                                                  Even though this company doesn't sound particularly ethical, you have to accept that it is your own responsibility to know when domain names expire.

                                                                  I have around 80 or so over 3 accounts at 2 registrars. I maintain a central log in excel but also, every month, I login to each account and check what will expire next month and renew the ones I don't want to lose.

                                                                  You rent domain names rather than "own" them and you lose access to things that you rent when you don't renew them. Any decent domain will have no shortage of people waiting to take it over.
                                                                  The problem is that domainnamesystems renews from funds in your account. If you have like 50 domains renewing, but it turns out you don't have enough funds for all 50, the others will just expire. If you happen to be traveling or something at that time, you lose the domains. They should give you like a few notices and reminders and give you at least 30 days to renew it.

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                                                                  • lagcam
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jul 2007
                                                                    • 2890

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Konda
                                                                    The problem is that domainnamesystems renews from funds in your account. If you have like 50 domains renewing, but it turns out you don't have enough funds for all 50, the others will just expire. If you happen to be traveling or something at that time, you lose the domains. They should give you like a few notices and reminders and give you at least 30 days to renew it.
                                                                    Sorry mate, but even though I think they are being mercenary, your point is weak.

                                                                    If you know you're travelling, do it the day before or the week before or the month even.

                                                                    When you renew a domain that has months or years left, it won't just add a year from the day you renew it, will add a year to the actual renewal date. You are playing with fire to leave it to the last minute or to rely on somebody reminding you.
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                                                                    • bausch
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                                      • 3017

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Hello

                                                                      I am sorry but the customer that bought the domain is not interested
                                                                      in selling it back.

                                                                      I did email the purchaser through their whois email but no response yet. I am fucked. This domain actually has quite some traffic.

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                                                                      • bausch
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jul 2006
                                                                        • 3017

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Am I just completely fucked?

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                                                                        • papill0n
                                                                          Unregistered Abuser
                                                                          • Oct 2007
                                                                          • 15547

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by bausch
                                                                          Hey, how come when check out the whois of my new domain, it shows the owner registered it on Registration Date: 2001-05-08

                                                                          but the registrar told me it was not deleted until 5/22?

                                                                          How come this individual was able to register on the exact same day it expired?
                                                                          the domains become available to other DNS customers as soon as they drop

                                                                          DNS does have a grace period as you have discovered

                                                                          sorry you lost a domain, that sucks.

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                                                                          • papill0n
                                                                            Unregistered Abuser
                                                                            • Oct 2007
                                                                            • 15547

                                                                            #38
                                                                            oh and yeah, you're completely fucked

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                                                                            • makefuckingmoney
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                              • 3277

                                                                              #39
                                                                              what was the domain?

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