johnnyloadproductions

I'm a small time producer and a thread on the site phun was pirated 6 of my good videos. I DMCAed filesonic 3 times now, the infrigner keeps uploading and I have no way to get him directly. The webmaster at phun hasn't replied to any of my 3 emails. So I started contacting a lot of the producers whose work is in the thread. The only one that really showed initiative was from blacksonblondes.

So here's the message I got from Brandon Iron after mentioning the situation and some of his content being up:

Thanks, Jeff. This is part of the reason I don't produce content much anymore.
It's impossible to compete with free.
Thanks for taking the time to write.
Brandon

L-Pink

You wouldn't believe the content I have that will never be released for that reason.

merina0803

and look at all the guys keeping him in biz. nobody gives a fuck dude

http://phun.org/index.php?navigation=webmaster

Robbie

A very good friend of mine whose wife is a well known porn star confided to me that he has over 100 scenes in the can since last year but won't release any of them because of piracy.
They are instantly devalued when they are pirated and put up on Pornhub and other tubes and torrent and fileshare sites.

He's just going to sit on them until the laws change. Can't blame him one bit.

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CrkMStanz

As do I

and that is my exact reasoning

hope things change soon

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L-Pink

Plus the harder content that would be for members only is suddenly available to all.

johnnyloadproductions

Yeah you're right. I guess some people play the game and if they make enough they don't give a shit.

Mutt

webmaster/owner of that site used to post here

even if the laws change in the US there will still be countries that don't give a shit - it's hopeless really. there will always be people who pay for porn but not in enough numbers to support all the producers and webmasters currently in the industry. and the return for those who remain will be much smaller. so what will be left will be the biggest companies, the Manwin's who made their fortune on the back of every producer and webmaster big and small and the small producers/webmasters who love being in porn and are fine working hard and making 30-100k a year.

the law needs to hold ISP's and hosting companies responsible to some degree for piracy that takes place on their networks. but can I go sue a hosting company in the Netherlands which is one of the worst offending countries because they broke an American law? i don't think so.

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L-Pink

If you owned a warehouse where you knew thieves sold their product you would be arrested and jailed. Not much of a difference to me.

plsureking

piracy sucks, but it is much harder to share a video that is only offered as streaming and not downloadable. its also harder to sell of course.

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merina0803

lot of bros in that list

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE

The way to curb piracy is to keep things fresh. If people are watching old hat stuff they will always want what is the newest and eventually get curious enough to pay for a brand or the newest content.

Brand all videos, brand everything, stamp it with a date, put a URL on it.
Piracy can work for you as a content producer.

There are other things that are possible also...

I want you guys to think about this...

What if...
Even your content that you put in members sections had commercials in it?
We see commercials in all kinds of media. You get a double pay. You pay for cable and still get commercials!

Many companies would pay for a quick ad spot in a video/movie that may play every 5-10 minutes for 10-15 second spots.
You rinse and repeat this and even if the content is stolen the commercials would have to be stripped from it which is a pain in the ass for most pirates and to boot when it is stolen or not the ad space works for those that buy the slots and your brand.

PS: if you would like your brand or product service to appear in 10 second spots in videos I got spots to sell. See sig.

leg4

Back to DRM??

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Piracy benefits all and hurts a few.

Edit: as much as that statement is going to piss people off, it really makes sense if you think about it. And there is the problem.

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The fukt truth.

L-Pink

Yea right.

harvey

Just in case:

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johnnyloadproductions

It took him 10 days but he finally got around to deleting the thread.

Hello Jeff,

no problem, we're going to take the posts down.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

Sunday, May 15, 2011, 6:30:30 PM, you wrote:


Dearhaphun.orghaowner,

I recently came across a thread in the forum section that is freely giving away several of my clips4sale media for free through the filehost filesonic. I've of course filed a dmca report with filesonic and they are taking their time with it. Please remove the thread. I have know what of contacting your member ktm2001 is doing this at the moment.
If proper action isn't taken I will notify my lawyer, Michael Fattorosi. I will also notify producers Richard Moulton from Jesse Loads, Velvet ecstacy, angel from exploitedblackteens and blackteengangbang, Brandon Irons personally, and evil angel.ha

http://forum.phun.org/showthread.php?t=557141&page=20

I'm ok with some content being up, a scene here or there, but haI can't have over 6 good movies and some of them my best being offered for free, there''s over $2000 in those scenes and hard work. Take the thread down!ha

Thank you,

Jeff Peters

Barefootsies

He is not the only producer doing, or saying that.

I have received emails from plenty of clip store producers where I buy from begging people to stop stealing their stuff as it's putting them out of business. A lot of patrons are reporting the theft, and some producers are offering rewards to 'tips'. But for many it's really getting to the point they can no longer stay in business or have cut out content production completely.

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bronco67

You have to wonder...why is it SO important for that anonymous guy to keep re-posting. What is he getting out of it? He should apply that perseverance to starting his own business.

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how so?

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bronco67

Anecdotes like the one in this thread is why I've switched my product from a DVD movie, to high-end graphic novel(printed) -- and hopefully it will transition to a digital web graphic novel with limited video...but it will all be streaming. I can't see the point of giving people clips to keep on their hard drive. I think if you find a way to integrate the video into the website in a good way, then it could end up being preferable to the customer -- at least in the case of a graphic novel.

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Redrob

Books and comics are scanned and pirated as well.

No real protection there either in my opinion.

bronco67

True, but I don't think its as rampant as video piracy -- and I think the true customers of that type of material are more purists. Real fans of it want the original copy, not some scanned jpegs.

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homegrownmof

I read an article today in the WSJ that the EU is taking a new look at piracy on the web- specifically music copyright. France seems to be particularly interested in seeing things change, complaining of all the $$$billions lost each year.

Google's response was hey lets try a technological solution before a bureaucratic gov't one- typical delay tactic.

Waiting anxiously to hear how GideonGallery will weigh in...

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You needn't be too anxious on that score.

He'll be in here like a fly on shit.

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I just read how EU preparing strong measures against piracy,will see will that do something.

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camperjohn64

Would it be useful to have a PC program, that can display videos that can't be captured?

Videos would open in new window that decodes on the fly as long as you are a current member. Technically possible.

But would adult webmasters get behind it?

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L-Pink

Bull fucking shit!

Unless of course "everyone" means cheap fucks that don't have to pay for the work and investment of others.

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mikesinner

Fuck piracy. If you can't afford to pay for your entertainment then too bad.

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Johnny...next time don't waste your time with the Phun guy since he's not going to change his business model anytime soon.

Go to his webhost - ISPrime ([email protected])...and you should fix your notice to be a fully compliant DMCA notice.

I appreciate the approach you took of being the nice guy and asking him to remove and a lot of the time that works wonders, but sometimes you gotta put your foot on the throats of these cocksuckers and not stop until the body stops twitching. Metaphorically speaking of course.

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helterskelter808

What makes you think piracy is legal outside the USA? Sue them because they broke a Dutch law.

2MuchMark

Try this.

If the scumbags don't remove your content after a DMCA, do a TRACE ROUTE to their domain, then use ARIN to look up the owners of their IP address, then DMCA the host provider.

If this does not work, lookup the owner of the next IP Address in line and send the DMCA to them.

Small time tube site owners who post stolen content don't give a damn and will ignore your DMCA. Hosting providers, pay more attention of course but if they ignore you, they will not ignore THEIR upstream provider.



We used to have a girl working for us in our art department making banners. She quit one day to start her own business and took our banners and content with her including photos of models that we owned the copyright to.

She ignored our requests and notices like the dummy she was but she paid attention when Godaddy suspended her account, at least for a little while.

She then thought she would be smart and move it to a hosting company that belonged to a friend of hers. That hosting company ignored us, but they did not ignore their provider when we DMCA'ed them.

Yes it takes a little leg work but it doesn't have to cost you alot in legal fees. DMCA'ing thieves works if you do it the right way.

Good luck!

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Mutt

Upstream providers are no better - I've sent DMCA's many times to Global Crossing and been ignored. Paypal will also blow you off.

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johnnyloadproductions

Sorry this thread is a month old but I just wanted to say the reason piracy has gotten even worse with filehosts is because uploaders can make a lot of money uploading other peoples' content.

For example, with fileserve for example I can upload 300MB videos from good producers and for every download I make .01 to .015 dollars. If you are like some of the guys who make threads with over 50 pages and upload hundreds of gigabytes you can potentially make hundreds maybe even a couple thousand dollars.

Then what these guys do is then go to all the sites such as pornbb, porn-w, forumophilia, asianforumer, and so many more... You can make good money with all the filehosts.

oron who apparently just bought pornbb, then filesonic, megaupload, rapidshare and on and on.

I really scratch my head on hell it is going to be contained, because I don't know. Bitching about it and for the most part just lawsuits isn't going to stop it.

You can't stop piracy but this is just out of control. I sink into depression when I see threads with full site rips uploaded. Google secretly supports it so people use them to search.

I guess it just requires a lot of hard thought to solve effectively...

Captain Kawaii

Stop rolling over and put down the chronic pipes and get on the fucking stick!

Anti-Piracy Laws are coming into effect. So what if IP Protect is scary. Stop doing illegal shit so you can take advantage of such laws as they are coming up in europe and headed this way. Ass pirates like gideon bro club dampen economies and govs can no longer take the tax hits...

People are animals and need to be trained NOT to steal. With a lawsuit, a bat or a 9mm.
Whatever they need to learn.

INever

What country(ies) hosts these sites?



We should be warring with them instead of towel heads in some butt fuck desert.

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DWB

I guess that's big money for guys living in some Eastern European shit hole or the Philippines.

Unless you have a monster board with an insane amount of members, the effort vs reward doesn't pan out. You'd have to be broke, desperate, or just a complete numb nuts to even put that much time into it for such little return. The smaller boards and blogs doing this for a few bucks must be the most desperate losers on the planet.

INever

Seriously, why can't the Marines go in and seize a few servers and just end this shit?

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d-null

as mentioned, these guys make money when people download their files, and the hosts make money off of memberships by surfers that pay to be able to download pirated videos faster, and the forum owners are in cahoots with the filehosts, it is all around a total business model based on ripping off content, they aren't just doing it as a hobby of sharing for the fun of it anymore

sick how these kinds of guys more and more lately are calling themselves "webmasters" and talking about how their traffic goes up and up and how to best make the most money off of it, pretty easy to generate traffic when you are just serving up a ton of stolen content for free.... meanwhile the honest webmaster has to work like a dog to squeeze google for every little bit of traffic hoping to retain or convert a surfer that is getting more and more used to seeing links everywhere to freehosted full site and video rips

it is hopeless, really

d-null

look, learned lesson here 7 years ago:

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NetHorse

That's why my next paysite is going to be named "fuck-shit-ass-pussy-cunt-free-porn"

Good luck finding it pirated.

It doesn't piss me off, it just makes me laugh. How does ripping an entire site in HQ or even HD and making it available for download benefit the OP or any paysite owner in anyway?

It might benefit you because you're taking advantage of it, ya fucking clown.

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gideongallery

seriously if you realize that changing the law won't really work

why are you not trying to figuire out "put your shit on the cassette and sell it to them" solution to this problem.

why not figure out a way to make money from your content WHEN people share it.

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In other words, 'adapt or die'.

Yeah, we haven't heard that one before.

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DamianJ

Good point. It's not like the internet is global, or that laws of one country are different from those of another.

You've just solved piracy. Brill!

But I am amused by the idea that 'not releasing content' will do anything except stop the producer of that content making any money.

u2 have new album but will not release it until people stop pirating their shit.

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seeandsee

fucking member uploads

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Paul Markham

No even the Manwin's of the World will get hit in the end, they will just be the last. They can't be immune to the trend of free being more and more popular every day. Old guys die, young guys don't pay for porn. Generally.

Even if some law did come into effect all those on the pirating sites will go to the Tube sites. If the big guys stop giving away free porn, little ones will become big ones overnight.

SO WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL TRYING TO SELL PRE-RECORDED PORN?

As stupid as someone trying to sell porn mags, the days are numbered and the slide is only going down.

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DWB

Because it still sells.

A decline in sales doesn't mean no sales. When there are NO sales in pre-recorder porn, then your question will be valid.

It's the same reason you can still buy magazines and DVDs. Huge decline in sales. Massive decline. But there is obviously enough money in it for some to still be doing it.