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fiddy good signs :thumbsup
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I just finished a two-week "test run" on a major tube. $5000 (and I got a deal). Lost about $2000 on the ad. LOL
So going for PPC now, instead of pre-paid ad spots. Better bang for your buck there. |
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No industry gives away the product it's trying to sell in the quantities, regularity or quality online porn does, in the hope of selling online porn. Even when the result of the practice is as clear as daylight, people praise the sites that give away the most and cost them the most sales. |
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Paul, even when you make a decent point you just repeat the same shit over and over.
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Everything, and really, everything, is a rehash of those two points. Sucks getting old. |
Tube sites are ringing people in the Czech Republic ?
From the USA ? Wow.... |
Paul, you're obsessed with tubes. Let it go pal. :)
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wow reading advice from ppl who are fucking clueless is so frustrating.
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Problem = Falling sales. Solution = Better attention to customers. When the problem and solution change, I won§t be able to say the same thing. :thumbsup |
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market economy + capitalism + perfect competition + copy/paste = free porn
aint much you can do about it! When I get in power I'll make copyright laws only 2 years, so there's 2 parrallel markets 1 = FREE Old Stuff 2 = Pay For Recent Media Windows 7 should just about be ready for free download by now! |
Paul, everybody is an affiliate of something incl most of the biggest pay ops. I agree on some of your points except the whole anti affil thing.
Surely you are an affil of something. Affiliate marketing is like social networking. We damn near all are affilliates and some also wear many other hats. Most affils follow the terms of the prog so the affil does nothing but good for the payop. Yes if there were no affils there would be waaay less content given free. Woulda-coulda-shoulda.. affils are here so your arguments are all hypothetical. :) |
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Now with free porn the % figure isn't even 0.1% Creating the barrier of free porn, devastated sales. It made people like Robbie a multi millionaire and created these "online porn marketing experts. :1orglaugh The affiliate system was the biggest mistake online porn ever made. Online porn spent a lot of money building a reason for people not to buy porn. It made the affiliate the most important pert of the business. It even created the myth that traffic was king. In porn it's not, getting traffic to porn is something anyone can do. This is all that's needed to get people to a porn site. Astral Blue Retro porn I shot in the UK during the 80 and 90s. http://www.astral-blue.com/affiliate.../760x120x2.gif Having people putting out adverts, directions to a paysite is all thats required. Getting guys to do it in house is fine. Giving affiliate 5% and just banners is fine. Once you start going down this route. http://gallery.teenpinkvideos.com/teens/1010/2/ where you need 1,000 (approx) views to get a sale. You end up here. http://gals.dancingbear.com/hun/db7850-1/ where you need 2,000 (approx) views to get a sale. Then here. http://gals.dancingbear.com/hun/db7850-1/ where you need 5,000 (approx) views to get a sale. And the cost of this free porn is taken out of the product being sold. Which results in less people buying. And me telling you 10 years after I started to tell you it was a fucked up system. Saying; I TOLD YOU SO. Traffic isn't King. Content is. Because it's the content, gallery, tube in a banner that gets a click to a paysite. It's the content on the tour that gets a sale and it's the content in the members area that keeps buyers buying. If you need 1,000 people to look at porn to get a sale, you're doing something seriously wrong. But you guys no so much more than me. Let's face it, you knew how to fuck up online porn. :1orglaugh Now tell me without traffic a site doesn't get a sale. :1orglaugh Even with traffic, now it's pretty hard and getting harder to get a sale. :1orglaugh |
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Or we could keep paying failed marketing men so they can pay the rent. :1orglaugh Thanks for all the bumps, where do I send the check? |
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I'd be interested in seeing stats too, but not just hits. Would you be able to: - Show what tube site(s) you advertise on? - Show which ads worked and which ads did not? - Show your ad(s) with the landing page(s) it goes to? - Show impressions vs clicks vs conversions? - Google Analytics reports? We get pitched by Tube site ad sellers often but the pitch is always the same. When I ask for free trials or detailed stats I never get it. When I ask for proof that it works the answer is always "Well, Mega site blahblah is our biggest customer so we have to be good". Of course they always say that their content is legal, but when I check their site out I usually find some questionable stuff as well as a "submit your own video" button. Grrrr, tube sites. |
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To me this idea makes total sense. If a product or service works, free trials should be available. And a 50% REV or PPS is more than a generous offer to any tube site as a test of their traffic. In fact if a tube site works as well as many claim that it does, PPS or REV could be worth more to them than flat rate. |
Paul Markham gives content a bad name.
When porn was 1) forbbiden and 2) the means to make porn expensive of course the profits to be made were big. As the means of shooting porn become available to all, as the internet made it possible foe all to distribute with little risk so the amount rises and the prices fall. The high price before reflected the risk and high cost of production. The use of ratios in meaningless as people visit many sites, hundreds over the months, the more the internet gats used show this will show as increased visitors. 1 in a 1000 buying on one site is meaningless, they may have already bought before will buy on another site. There are thousands of sites to choose from and they will make the figures go up as people check them out. I have bought 3 memberships from 3 sites over the last 2 years and I have visited 1000s of sites, so I am a ratio of a 1000 to one ! If people are on a pay site and they stay on it for more than a few minutes it is because they are interested and may buy, now or in the future. Making traffic and getting know is difficult as it is expensive and the competition is strong. Content is important and the more value and creativity is added to the product the easier it is to sell. |
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The sad part is the clowns who jump to their tune. If they said fuck off, the Tubes would disappear. Or have to be supported by Dating and cam sites. Those fuckers profit from the content of video producers without paying for the cost of producing the content. |
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cherry, you're a crap shooter. As far as Erotic porn is concerned you're clueless. The images on your tour prove that. The images I showed proved I've more of a clue on how to shoot erotic porn than you will ever have. Post what you've shot and consider erotic and I'll do the same. We can have a competition. :thumbsup Start a new thread though, or keep it here. You were owned and didn't have the common sense to quit when you had lost. |
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I look at the tubes but the quality is really poor and the content old, also keep getting taken off to other crap sites and casino pop ups can get annoy. A woodman video has some nice girls but no close ups, and it goes on and on... it really its poor stuff... |
The #1 problem with buying ads is cost. Yes I am BRILLIANT! LOL But here's what I mean:
You can "test" some ad buys on this site or that site but once the money is spent POOF! it's gone, so you sit there and hope for your ROI. So, in the end, to find something that's profitable TO YOU it may take many trials and errors, and cost....how much? After the fourth or fifth attempt at buying ads, and losing thousands in the process, many would give up and not feel it's worth it. Get a great ROI on your first few ads and you may continue. Tough game tho and ya need deep pockets to make it work long-term (or at all). |
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You choose the pictures you want to compare, then announce yours are better. you don't even ask a neutral third party to judge...you are that arrogant. You prove things to yourself. If you want people to respect you and your opinions you have to earn them, being rude, ignorant, arrogant and stupid is now way to go about it. |
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I pointed out the problems. These are very basic problems. The opinions are of course my own. But a stubbly pussy, appendix scar, dumb look on a girls face or even a girl squinting because of the sun are erotic too very few people. Framing is simple, if you want to crop crop properly. If you want a soft focus picture, use a filter. If you have to ask a jury about these things. They are not judgments. They are fact. Is just simple picture of a girls pussy erotic or is it just meat? IMO it's just meat, it has to be be with a bit of sauce and sizzling to make it erotic. If you get what I mean. We're not butchers, we're chefs. We prepare the meat so it's delectable and people want to enjoy it. We make them hungry. Just dishing up the meat isn't going to cut it like it should. Which one is the more appealing? http://rogueestate.com/wp-content/up...T-bone-raw.jpg http://www.nscblog.com/wp-content/up.../07/steak1.jpg One is a meal, the other meat. If you want respect, you have to earn it. Try showing us some stills worthy of respect. |
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