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  • galleryseek
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2002
    • 8234

    #1

    Who wants a full site designed, for free?

    okay, i'm willing to design a site for free. (excluding paysites and tgp designs). im working on bulking up my portfolio with some good shit, and lately i've just been designing templates which serve no use. i'm looking to design something more along the lines of the mainstream'ish / artsy design style. so for example if you run a sponsor, and want a badass / unique site, then i'm willing to do it. or any other site that isn't a paysite basically (that'll cost $).

    and to ensure quality, i'm going to guarantee that the design i bust out for free, will be my best. here's my current work:
    www.dreamache.com
    www.dreamache.com/links
    www.dreamache.com/templates/1.jpg (latest design)
    (so as you can see, it'll take me a bit of time, it wont be some typical blah blah bullshit site.)

    the only thing is, is you can't be picky about it. if i design it and for some odd reason you dislike it, i'll offer up the design to someone else.

    as for determining the winner, once this thread has been up for 24 hours, i'll go through and collect the "serious" requests and use some sort of process of elimination. OR I'm up for any suggestions you guys have for choosing a winner.

    the primary reason i'm doing this is because i need motivation to create somethin really badass. so by making this public, it'll kick me in the ass to get it done.

    so thats it, respond here if ur serious.
  • marcu5
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    • Oct 2002
    • 1485

    #2
    Angry graphic Designers: Sign Below.

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    • boneprone
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jan 2001
      • 34415

      #3
      put me on your list.

      i could give you some validity you seek.

      The BP4L is where you want to be.

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      • galleryseek
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2002
        • 8234

        #4
        Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
        or you could just pay me and cut out all the bullshit.
        this is my thread you bastard! i'm not doing a paysite or anything, so hopefully i'm not upsetting too many designers.

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        • Voodoo
          ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠
          • Sep 2002
          • 10600

          #5
          Or you could just pay me... you wouldn't have to do anything with bovine feces.
          Last edited by Voodoo; 01-24-2003, 01:12 AM.

          "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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          • marcu5
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2002
            • 1485

            #6
            nice sig voodoo.

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            • Amputate Your Head
              There can be only one
              • Aug 2001
              • 39075

              #7
              Originally posted by galleryseek


              this is my thread you bastard! i'm not doing a paysite or anything, so hopefully i'm not upsetting too many designers.
              you're right... I retract, AND delete my post.
              SIG TOO BIG

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              • lagwagon
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2001
                • 8464

                #8
                I would like some FPA's... how about you try your hand at that?

                FTVGirls - FTVMilfs - DanielleFTV

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                • galleryseek
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2002
                  • 8234

                  #9
                  perhaps my paysite design isn't the best. but i am going to prove that i will own all at non-paysite style design techniques. RAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • galleryseek
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2002
                    • 8234

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lagwagon
                    I would like some FPA's... how about you try your hand at that?
                    ahhh, FPA's are quite usually design-style specific, right? i don't have much experience with FPA's. they're basically a watered down version of a paysite, correct? it doesn't really offer too much leeway as far as designing goes. can't really awe-inspire people with an fpa design. i'll do them for money tho, not for free.

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                    • Voodoo
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                      • Sep 2002
                      • 10600

                      #11
                      Originally posted by galleryseek


                      ahhh, FPA's are quite usually design-style specific, right? i don't have much experience with FPA's. they're basically a watered down version of a paysite, correct? it doesn't really offer too much leeway as far as designing goes. can't really awe-inspire people with an fpa design. i'll do them for money tho, not for free.
                      So, it sounds like the offer stands for AVS sites only?
                      Just curious.

                      Why not list what you WILL design?

                      "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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                      • galleryseek
                        Confirmed User
                        • Mar 2002
                        • 8234

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Voodoo


                        So, it sounds like the offer stands for AVS sites only?
                        Just curious.

                        Why not list what you WILL design?
                        nooo, i'm not listing what i WILL design because i'll design EVERYTHING except for the paysite style of designs.. .
                        I won't do paysite designs, AVS designs, FPAs / HPAs, or TGP designs... the reason for this is because you usually can't awe inspire people with those types of designs. i wanna make a person say wow. and this is a good way to ensure that i'll do just that, to avoid gfy humiliation

                        i'll do everything else though. which includes shit like sponsor sites, and all mainstream sites.

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                        • Danielle
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jun 2002
                          • 1227

                          #13
                          You want a real challange?

                          Take your pick of any of the following mainstream sites of ours.

                          http://www.stopthathacker.com
                          http://www.jigsawmania.com
                          http://www.secretstomakingmoney.com
                          http://www.howtopickupwomen.com

                          All need major work. We just have not had the time to finish them...

                          Hugs,
                          Danielle

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                          • Danielle
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 1227

                            #14
                            Oppssss...

                            Forgot one good one.


                            http://www.adultarcadegames.com

                            Has a paysite, affiliate program, plugin content, etc....

                            Hugs,
                            Danielle

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                            • Rich
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11486

                              #15
                              Originally posted by galleryseek
                              perhaps my paysite design isn't the best. but i am going to prove that i will own all at non-paysite style design techniques. RAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

                              own all? come on

                              http://www.2advanced.com

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                              • galleryseek
                                Confirmed User
                                • Mar 2002
                                • 8234

                                #16
                                okay so far its boneprone and danielle.

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                                • galleryseek
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2002
                                  • 8234

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Rich



                                  own all? come on

                                  http://www.2advanced.com
                                  hehe rich, i forgot to include, "on gfy" although it'll be hard cause theres some really good designers here. but hey, i gotta inspire myself. ;)

                                  and a little info about 2advanced.com, eric jordan originally got his fame by practically carbon copying a site designed for a rap artist. it was a big thing on irc when it happened. he was able to promote his shit well and he got recognized and their current site is composed of designers who have a TON of more talent than him.

                                  but im workin on it.

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                                  • Roald
                                    SecretFriends.com
                                    • May 2001
                                    • 27910

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Rich



                                    own all? come on

                                    http://www.2advanced.com
                                    Fucking nice site


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                                    • Deb
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Feb 2002
                                      • 1237

                                      #19
                                      Hey galleryseek, I've got a domain name that I've been sitting on for awhile, because I just haven't had the time to design anything for it. The plan is for it to be a Rottweiler Rescue & Resource site. Since you mentioned wanting to do something "mainstream", are you interested?

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                                      • galleryseek
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Mar 2002
                                        • 8234

                                        #20
                                        sure deb, just can't get too picky with me though. it'll be badass, but real unique.

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                                        • fedfest
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2002
                                          • 1334

                                          #21
                                          Well.. If you could make this one http://www.holy-pope.com look something like this http://www.vatican.va/phome_en.htm just in a porn kinda way
                                          RewardThem Now Paying Up To 70% Revshare !
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                                          • vicvacvoc
                                            Registered User
                                            • Jan 2003
                                            • 1

                                            #22
                                            Hey there gallerygeek!
                                            I need a site from which to distribute a free soccer ezine in the UK and elsewhere. The title is BOOTS. I have an ezine email program to send it out, but want a site as a kind of headquarters.
                                            It would also need a page to host back numbers
                                            I thought of a black background and colored text, but maybe you can think of something better.
                                            The whole thing is based on a series of columns I wrote during the 1886 World Cup in Mexico. These proved very popular and were reprinted in several top newspapers in the US and UK (without royalties, I might add) The column has a satirical style.
                                            Naturally, my material would be up to date.
                                            As a retired journalist who only writes what he wants nowadays, and lives on a small UK state pension, I cannot afford to hire anyoner to do this job. And I don't have the know-how to do it myself.
                                            Cheers
                                            vicvacvoc

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                                            • Danielle
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jun 2002
                                              • 1227

                                              #23
                                              galleryseek,

                                              Here are a few more.

                                              http://www.topadult.net/
                                              http://www.xxxsexradio.com/ I have no idea what we are going to do with this domain.
                                              http://www.theworldwidewoody.com/
                                              http:/www.dietingideas.com/
                                              http:/www.recipesideas.com/
                                              http://www.sosuemyass.com/
                                              http://www.internetwebcards.com/
                                              http://www.iwebcards.com/

                                              Need any more sites? We have over 3000 domains both adult and mainstream.?

                                              Hugs,
                                              Danielle

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                                              • Pornwolf
                                                Drunk and Unruly
                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 22712

                                                #24
                                                I got one that you would love and you are probably perfect for. A partner of mine is doing a plan for a location scouting site. Basically it's for hollywood studios to use for finding the best spots in the carribean to shoot films. So, you can probably already see you can run completely free with that nice artsy stuff you do.

                                                This was an idea that was discussed just a couple weeks ago while I was in LA and is being hashed out right now by a couple of studio folks. If you can do something that knocks folks socks off I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have to be free when it comes time to put it in motion.

                                                There's more to it but let me if you are interested in doing a mock up or something.

                                                ICq - 14675429 5
                                                Last edited by Pornwolf; 01-24-2003, 03:22 AM.
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                                                • TomWaits
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                  • 112

                                                  #25
                                                  Here's some interesting mainstream stuff of mine

                                                  It might be a good time for new design for
                                                  http://www.kidtimer.com

                                                  or a new site for the webmaster program:
                                                  http://www.kidtimer.com/display.php?PageID=8

                                                  I hope I get lucky.

                                                  Best regards,
                                                  TW.

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                                                  • OzKaNoz
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 1834

                                                    #26
                                                    galleryseek
                                                    I would be happy to see you do a site for me.
                                                    What I really need is a good tgp design.
                                                    If you could do that it would be great.

                                                    Oz
                                                    Techie Media Web Hosting

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                                                    • Tylo
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2002
                                                      • 2108

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by galleryseek


                                                      this is my thread you bastard! i'm not doing a paysite or anything, so hopefully i'm not upsetting too many designers.
                                                      You go man!! Get that portfolio going...
                                                      -ICQ# 119419008

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                                                      • Deb
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                        • 1237

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by galleryseek
                                                        sure deb, just can't get too picky with me though. it'll be badass, but real unique.
                                                        Kewl & I'm not a picky person. Feel free to hit me up on ICQ (1.2.7.5.0.0.1.3.2) when you get a chance and we can discuss the particulars.

                                                        Thanks!

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                                                        • sonomasnap
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 410

                                                          #29
                                                          I am starting a one of a kind, free adult site. It is called PornPoints. The idea is a rewards and loyalty site for adult consumers. The site is up and running but needs a major facelift. This is a perfect site for you to run with and exactly what I need. When I read your post I thought, wow, if this guy is for real this could be just the thing. Take a look at www.pornpoints.com If you have any questions ICQ me. Hope to here back soon.

                                                          Thanks,

                                                          Sonomasnap/ aka Jeff

                                                          PornPoints.com
                                                          Click for Chicks and Earn!

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                                                          • Ironhorse
                                                            Pixel Pusher
                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                            • 7094

                                                            #30
                                                            You do good work, don't worry so much about what gfy thinks about your work or anyone else for that matter except the client with the $$$. Build up your portfolio and start looking for leads, as you can see by the response there is plenty demand for good skills =)

                                                            Also watch out for that WOW feeling, don't set the bar so high! Just my
                                                            [email protected]

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                                                            • X37375787

                                                              #31
                                                              How about a design for a gaming site? I am not sure if you've heard about Project Entropia, but I believe it is really gonna be the shit once the finished version gets released. I got a suitable domain for a fansite, hit me up if you'd be interested

                                                              #155421

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                                                              • Trax
                                                                [----------------------]
                                                                • Aug 2001
                                                                • 14486

                                                                #32
                                                                put me on your list, too.
                                                                the work you would do for me would be for a sponsorship program or for an adult company. you can hit me at 59101924 or via email if you want

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                                                                • AcidMax
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                  • 1827

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Sure add me to the list too I wouldn't mind having my affiliate program site redesigned to look a little better

                                                                  Andy

                                                                  ICQ: 7.0.9.3.0.4.6.7
                                                                  Last edited by AcidMax; 01-24-2003, 04:46 AM.
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                                                                  • amber438
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                    • 230

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Put me on your list..
                                                                    I'm in the process of redesigning my link lists..I have 4..
                                                                    I need a fresh Idea..something out of the norm..something that will say to the surfer..wow..!! this be da place!!
                                                                    The one I'm finishing up is, in my eyes..
                                                                    So I need 3 more..LOL..One will do..
                                                                    Red Hot Galleries

                                                                    Red Hot Links

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                                                                    • Ian
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                      • 1259

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Hi Galleryseek:

                                                                      I like your style. It's unorthodox and fresh.

                                                                      I have a mainstream site that sells bird house kits at http://www.weluvbirds.com that you might be able to do something with.

                                                                      I also sent you some mail at galleryseek.

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                                                                      • Zayne E.
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                        • 1383

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Good luck galleryseek! This should keep you busy!

                                                                        One thing..."the only thing is, is you can't be picky about it. if i design it and for some odd reason you dislike it, i'll offer up the design to someone else..."

                                                                        "Some odd reason?" Whether a client is paying you or you're doing it pro bono for the exposure, it's still your client. They have every right to be picky...it's THEIR site you're designing, not yours.

                                                                        In this business you have to bend over backwards to make the client happy if you want to stay in business. I just redid historykill.com and let me tell you this...I had the site "finished" in about a half day. Then the client wanted another color-scheme...then they picked, tweaked, modified, altered, changed, twisted, rolled, crumpled up, spit out, slept on it and then finally LOVED the very first version I handed them on the first day...with the simple addition of the "download" button in the nav bar. Total time involved - 11 days! Now, it was a simple modification that took me a half hour then wait until the end of the day for approval/changes (allowing me to stay busy on my other projects). But all the while it was, "yes sir," "you bet," "absolutely!" "Whatever you want, you've got it!" etc., etc., etc.

                                                                        Bottom line...they massively OVERPAID me in the end, had me do their cash site, historykillcash.com (not yet released), another site, a spin-off of historykill called hkpopupkiller.com (not yet released), I am in the middle of their corporate site (I just delivered them a second version last night) and after that I have one more to do for them.

                                                                        A scenario like that doesn't happen if you have an attitude of "take it or leave it."

                                                                        Just trying to help, but I am sure you'll do great!

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                                                                        • OzKaNoz
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 1834

                                                                          #37
                                                                          galleryseek
                                                                          Contact me at: webmaster at eroticcandyland.com
                                                                          I have something I want to talk to you about.
                                                                          And it's not related to your free offer.

                                                                          Btw, I re read your post about no tgp's, sorry. I don't know how I missed that.

                                                                          Anyway contact me.
                                                                          Oz
                                                                          Techie Media Web Hosting

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                                                                          • Ian
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 1259

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Zayne:

                                                                            I recognized that flaw in myself ages ago when i'd spend a whole day designing a banner. Now I give my designers the idea, the content and lots of space. Otherwise I end up driving myself and the designer nuts. LOL

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                                                                            • gothweb
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                              • 8849

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Galleryseek, I have the perfect project for this. I run a coalition of high-quality independent erotic sites. (Artsy adult stuff.) Our coalition home page is in serious need of a replacement...

                                                                              http://www.quality-erotica.com/

                                                                              New version I was working on:
                                                                              http://www.quality-erotica.com/new.html

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                                                                              • Lane
                                                                                Will code for food...
                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                • 8496

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Rich



                                                                                own all? come on

                                                                                http://www.2advanced.com
                                                                                damn

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                                                                                • Zayne E.
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                  • 1383

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Lane


                                                                                  damn
                                                                                  If 2advanced is "damn," this is HOLY FUCKING SHIT!:

                                                                                  http://www.neostream.com/

                                                                                  Takes awhile to load under the best circumstances...but it is totally worth it

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                                                                                  • Probono
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                    • 2731

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    If you would like to do a crossover site, adult to mainstream we have a test project for you. We have a basic page up for selling Cigars and Pipes using an adult motif. Take a look at www.dreambeats.com for an idea of our concept. We can provide images you would need and ideas we just don't have the development resources right now.

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                                                                                    • Jak
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                      • 1143

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I've been wanting a redesign of our Kitten Cash site for a while now. It's the webmaster affiliate site for Strip Kittens.

                                                                                      Might be up your alley for a challenge.

                                                                                      Jak

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                                                                                      • strobi
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                        • 7383

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        If 2advanced is "damn," this is HOLY FUCKING SHIT!:

                                                                                        http://www.neostream.com/

                                                                                        Takes awhile to load under the best circumstances...but it is totally worth it [/B]
                                                                                        NAvigation is crap but OMG some nice graphics! Did you look at the price to design a website?

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                                                                                        • pink_in_the_middle
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                          • 4503

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by galleryseek
                                                                                          okay, i'm willing to design a site for free. (excluding paysites and tgp designs). im working on bulking up my portfolio with some good shit, and lately i've just been designing templates which serve no use. i'm looking to design something more along the lines of the mainstream'ish / artsy design style. so for example if you run a sponsor, and want a badass / unique site, then i'm willing to do it. or any other site that isn't a paysite basically (that'll cost $).

                                                                                          and to ensure quality, i'm going to guarantee that the design i bust out for free, will be my best. here's my current work:
                                                                                          www.dreamache.com
                                                                                          www.dreamache.com/links
                                                                                          www.dreamache.com/templates/1.jpg (latest design)
                                                                                          (so as you can see, it'll take me a bit of time, it wont be some typical blah blah bullshit site.)

                                                                                          the only thing is, is you can't be picky about it. if i design it and for some odd reason you dislike it, i'll offer up the design to someone else.

                                                                                          as for determining the winner, once this thread has been up for 24 hours, i'll go through and collect the "serious" requests and use some sort of process of elimination. OR I'm up for any suggestions you guys have for choosing a winner.

                                                                                          the primary reason i'm doing this is because i need motivation to create somethin really badass. so by making this public, it'll kick me in the ass to get it done.

                                                                                          so thats it, respond here if ur serious.
                                                                                          Hard up?
                                                                                          pinkysteph AT gmail DOT com

                                                                                          I'm a native english speaker from Canada with a firm ass, excellent grammar and punctuation skills. If you're in need of text for your: blog, paysite galleries, DVD covers, image cropping, content purchasing, content insertion or anything else along these lines, please feel free to give me a shout. And I’m female to boot

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                                                                                          • Mystery_Jock
                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                            • 11

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I have a couple that could use some updating. Adult and non adult
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                                                                                            • pixelminx
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                              • 522

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Deamache/gallerygeek... funny you offer shit for free and just get a slap on the wrist... AMP even retracts his comment. I say I'll do a few little ads for cheaper than usual and I get ripped a new one.
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                                                                                              • sexyclicks
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                • 3240

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Zayne E.


                                                                                                If 2advanced is "damn," this is HOLY FUCKING SHIT!:

                                                                                                http://www.neostream.com/

                                                                                                Takes awhile to load under the best circumstances...but it is totally worth it
                                                                                                did you notice that you can bitchslap the little dude there in the main menu section?

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                                                                                                • gothweb
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                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                                  • 8849

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by pixelminx
                                                                                                  Deamache/gallerygeek... funny you offer shit for free and just get a slap on the wrist... AMP even retracts his comment. I say I'll do a few little ads for cheaper than usual and I get ripped a new one.
                                                                                                  Anyone who complains because you offer a good deal is insecure.

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                                                                                                  • galleryseek
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                    • 8234

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Zayne: of course that is true. however these are different circumstances. sure, if they want wording / a few colors changed, and other minors then thats fine, however if they dont like the whole damn thing that they're getting for free, and if its something i worked on for a long time, then hell no i'm not going to redo it for them, LOL.

                                                                                                    i just woke up, lemme read all the rest of the posts now.

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