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charlie g

The system is broke. He may be too old to fix it but he is the only one who understands it is broken.

It was funny to read above that congress "protects us". These clowns sell us out to special interests everyday.

I am voting for him again. I hope others will too

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TheDoc

The job of the gov is to protect the people... if we're missing a key part that makes those constitutional decisions, we have a problem.

I voted for him as well last time, it was better choice than the other two idiots running.

I just find it entertaining that so many people can repeat his message but don't have any clue how his ideas would actually come about.

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It's a nick name for a combination of events and acts. The National Emergency Act, Trading with the Enemy Act, and the emergency banking legislation of 1933.

In a brief summary the federal reserve was on a 20 year charter. Starting in 1913 and ending in 1933. The ending or starting depending on how you want to look at it began with a series of events such as seizing of the peoples gold and giving them pieces paper in return. To safeguard themselves of public backlash from all of this it was written into legislation that the military could be used to protect them from the public. This is why a state of emergency (Swine Flu two year state of emergency most recently) is always declared within a matter of months of a President taking office giving him extraordinary powers. Also why he can do and odes do pretty much anything he wants with no approval from the House or Congress. Any arguments they may have is all for show. We are constantly in a state of emergency and have been since 1933.

"Senate Report 93-549 was a document issued by the "Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency" of the 93rd Congress (Hence the "93" in the name) (1973 to 1975). Its purpose was to discuss and address the 40 year long state of emergency that had been in effect in the United States since 1933. During the continued state of emergency, Congress voted to transfer powers from Congress to the President. The debate to end long-running states of National Emergency was ended in 1976 with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601-1651), which limits any such declared emergencies to two years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_93-549








The Fed has been around in the works for over 100 years. And people still believe it's Federal agency. Kinda hard for one guy to overcome that powerhouse of indoctrination in a matter of years.

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TheDoc

So today, if a national emergency is declared then it will only last for two years... okay. I don't know how it's been happening for the last 80 years or so, but whatever.



I know lots of people that are aware that the reserve isn't a real fed agency... people find out every day. But that doesn't mean anyone will or would do anything about it, they have no reason to.

That's simply one of many ideas he has that he hasn't explained. Like what he would do if we had no gold.

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Fenris Wolf

I am voting for him again.

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Socks

He's said over and over again that his own beliefs and opinions are just that, nothing more. He shares them when asked, but it doesn't mean that as President he would try to make the country exactly as Ron Paul wants it, that would just be delusional.

IllTestYourGirls

He has my vote. I was in Exeter when he announced. 300 to 400 people there on a one day notice. He is going up in the polls and in 2nd or 3rd in many states. He has a chance to win and according to his campaign manager (who I spoke to for 20 mins) unlike last time they are running to win. Why? Because Ron Paul truly believes that we face/are in a dollar crises that only Austrian economists will know how to fix.

A recent CNN poll has Ron Paul the closest to beating Obama of all republicans running.

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theking

The Libertarian Party has a Presidential candidate every election...as do many...many other parties. You will not see much of them mentioned in the mainstream press but you can see them and their debates on C-span during every election period.

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What the hell is that suppose to mean? You people are a minority in most of Europe
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parlia.../index_en.html


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Go Ron Paul!

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IllTestYourGirls

FYI. With Huckabee not running Ron Paul moves into second place in Iowa.

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nation-x

Ron Paul will never make it out of the primary

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"Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown. Huckabee trails by eight points, with Romney down 11 points to Obama. "

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...op-nomination/

Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...42_ron_paul_41

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CaptainHowdy

charlie g for president ...

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Socks

I nominate Flava Flav.

wig

I'm not arguing against anything that is proven, whether it is derived from nature with a long history or developed through modern research.

It is not an either / or proposition. Your argument is the same simpleton argument against vaccinations / immunizations. Should we get rid of those as well in your view?

Do you comprehend what you read? That is in direct contradiction to your statement about "Humans descending from Apes". Maybe you should read the whole wiki page.

"Scientists have estimated that humans branched off from their common ancestor with chimpanzees about 5–7 million years ago."

Conspiracy Theorists like you have used this video to allege the Fed has given this money away and have no idea where it went, which is absurd.

The Fed released all the documents to show exactly where every penny went following Bloomberg's legal action.

The vast majority of loans have been paid back in full plus interest. Why do you think the Federal Reserve's annual payment to the U.S. Treasury for 2010 set a record high of $79.3 billion and the payment to the U.S. Treasury for 2009 was over $47 billion?

The key point is that Ron Paul et al leave out the fact that the Fed made numerous short term loans throughout the financial crisis that amount to trillions when added together but they were not all outstanding at the same time.

If they told the whole story, their impact on nutters with tales of how the Federal Reserve "criminal organization" is throwing trillion dollar bills all over the place would lose its potency.

So do I, but that really doesn't settle anything, does it?

It seems to me that you are ignoring the facts, not me. Why don't you look at the transaction data for yourself? It can be found on the Federal Reserve website. Start here:

Fed balance sheet

Fed-assisted off balance sheet financial interventions

Archived Fed assisted emergency programs

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marlboroack

Yeah, i think Obama has this one. Now after Obama, we might be kinda fucked.

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Yes we should. I had maybe 2-3 immunizations in my life. Just fine here. My son on the otherhand wasn't so lucky and has crohn's disease from being given immunizations.


Apes, Monkeys, Chimpanzees, whatever.. I don't believe it and you do. Besides they've discovered humanoids older than 5-6 billion years and didn't revise their "proven science." "Proven science" can't explain the gene splicing's that occurred.



They only released the figures after a long legal battle because of who they were loaning the money to which was mostly foreign banks. All monies are still not accounted for. As you well know they work on a fractional reserve basis. So whatever monies said co-conspirators received was then multiplied at least 10 fold. Paying off a loan when you can multiply said loan by at least 10 is pretty easy to do.

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Now I know who I'll be donating to this election cycle.

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Who's at first?

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IllTestYourGirls

Romney by about 10 points. But I think Romney has just about peaked, Paul has not even come close to peaking. And the poll was taken before Paul announced.

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StickyGreen

Oh yea, because we're just totally "good to go" with Obama in office. lol

Nothing has changed you fucking moron!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...

He even kept all of Bush's neocon warmongers like Robert Gates in the administration.

You fools will continue to argue back and forth about Republicans and Democrats while the same fucking agenda moves forward, regardless of who the "President" is.

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L-Pink

Not this shit again .....

wig

Sorry to hear about your son. This explains your position more so than the actual facts.

Oh, I think the science does a really good job at explaining evolution. You on the other hand, not so much.

But I'm curious, what do you believe? I mean, are you a Biblical creationist? Did God do it or what?

So you now acknowledge that the figures are out there?? Good. Now explain exactly what monies are still not accounted for.

And really this goes back to what I said about politicizing the FED. In your view that just meant supporting politicians like Ron Paul to ask stupid questions. What I meant was the importance of FED independence.

You seem to be opposed to having a politically independent central bank, presumably you want a politically dependent one then??


I trust with your financial background you understand that FRB and what the Fed did during the crisis with Maiden Lane, etc. are two different subjects.

Or do you need me to explain FRB to you as well?

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dyna mo

not quite sure what to think of the guy, sure he talks a good talk about issues including a bloated government that does not work but the fact is he is a career politician- he's a part of the problem imo.

charlie g

If nominated I will not run....... (but if you want to send me campaign contributions I will put them to good use)

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The actual facts are the "proven scientist" who has been in the forefront of denying vaccination links to diseases was recently arrested for embezzling money intended for research.

I won't get into my beliefs. But I will say that the bible was created by man based on ancient mythology.

Maiden Lane I, II, and III were where the initial funds were deposited and dispersed and also serve as holding companies for the "bad debts" (banker bets) purchased. The recipients received funds which were used as reserves which were also multiplied via FRB. The initial funds (700 billion) was multiplied into 10's of trillions.


Financial Rescue Nears GDP as Pledges Top $12.8 Trillion (Update1) NOTE $12.8 trillion is not 700 billion.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=armOzfkwtCA4

That was in 2009. Last official record it was around 28 trillion. But it's actually believed to be closer to 100 trillion. And it is said the criminals need 100 trillion more.

Which is why the cost of everything is shooting through the roof for you and I, but when you ask them there is no inflation.

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crockett

Ron Paul is the guy that wanted to close the Post Office, then have one of the best operating govt functions, turned over to big business. The guy is a nut job, he sound good in 15 second sound bytes but if you actually listen to him long you can easily see how unrealistic he really is.

Think about it.. Big Business in America is already killing this country and he wants to turn everything over to them.

He will never win, but sadly we will have to deal with all the RP fruit cakes coming out of the wood work once again..

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The US postal service was originally a private entity..

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wig

I'm sure in bizzarro land this is pertinent.

Well, I'll agree with you on the last part. Certainly you have an alternative to the widely accepted theory of evolution.

I won't hold my breath since your alternative is an alternative to the uncontroversial theory that you don't seem to understand.

You have a habit of repeating the data that I put forth but following it up with outdated what-ifs and/or absurd analysis.

Perhaps you've been in a time warp since 2009, but this is 2011. As I said earlier, almost all of the loans associated with the extraordinary lending have been paid back with interest.

I take it you are not going to provide exactly the monies that are "still not accounted for"?

Ask who? I don't know of anyone who says there is no inflation. Inflation is actually a goal - both under normal conditions and especially in response to the deflation that was seen in 2009. Please cite the inflation numbers so we can see what you are looking at that is so out of line.

I'll check back later.




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A lying thief is just that and all he will ever be. He has lots of company.

uncontroversial: there's lots of controversy in that "theory"


You asked if I understood what it was and I explained. What do you not understand about that?

As I said tens of trillions are unaccounted for. They have admitted it cost nearly 100 trillion but have only accounted for around 28 trillion. And they have stated they need tens of trillions more.. I also said it's easy to pay off a loan when you can multiply said loan at least 10 fold. Give me that ability and I'll rule the World along with them.


"A recent increase in U.S. inflation is driven primarily by rising commodity prices globally, and is unlikely to persist, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said on Monday."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42421042

Nothing to do with his monetary policy of course.

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Lint

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...s-disease.html

I guess you're not interested in the above. I'm sure homeopathy will cure Crohns.

What vaccine caused crohn's disease? Just curious... tried to search, but this is all I could find:

http://jech.bmj.com/content/57/11/883.abstract

"Conclusions: The incidence of hospitalised CD and UC remained stable over the 20 years, 1979 to 1998. Whatever caused the marked increases in CD and UC in the mid-20th century must itself have stabilised in this region. These results, together with those from other studies, provide strong evidence against measles vaccine causing CD or UC. "

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I'm aware they have a vaccine to supposedly cure a disease when they say they don't know what causes it yes. How that can be is beyond me.

We're not sure which caused it. We just know for sure he was fine before (like many others) a series of vaccines for school and shortly thereafter he wasn't. Some suggest the MMR.

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Doctor Dre

He's actually a doctor that got into politics... he won his first election because he delivered a tons of babies in his circonscription.

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drx

who cares there all the same a bunch of criminals

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shade001

You must not have spent more than five seconds listening to what he has to say if that's the best you can come up with.

LA Crew

He's also a maverick, like McCain, which means he doesn't have the ability to compromiseha. That's not a leader.

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u-Bob

The reason those evil big corporations have managed to become so big is thanks to government regulations and subsidies. Government regulations, patents etc are all designed to do 1 thing: make life miserable for small and medium size companies so that the quasi-monopolies of the large corporations don't get threatened.

Getting rid of those government regulations, subsidies etc would result in more competition, less waste, lower prices, better quality products and services,...

TheDoc

Oh, he has lots to say, he yaps all the time..... he just no plan on how to do any of it.

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TheDoc

You could say those regs/subs helped pull us from the pits of hells corps had put us into before those regs came along.

You guys might want to read some history starting at about 50 years ago. Only the completely crazy and those people absent minded of history would want to get rid of most corp regs.

In theory - it sounds nice, in reality - the corps were monster and abusing power and crushing the competition decades BEFORE the regs came along.

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wig

Right, it's not pertinent.



Not in the sense that you mean. And where's your explanation if its not creationism?

And I showed you that almost all the loans were of short duration, covering various time periods and that most have been paid off.

Your response was to inject FRB to assert yet another unsubstantiated claim.

I'll just assume you cannot provide exactly the monies that are not accounted for.


Considering inflation is a goal, of course. It's not the only cause of price inflation, though.

And as it stands today, inflation is not a run away train. 0.4% in Jan, 2.1% in Feb, 2.7% Mar, Apr no details yet but slowing and a pretty big drop in May so far (energy / food commodity prices).

Maybe there's something you'd like to point out but considering he said that in early April he appears correct.

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wig

And? I won't bother nit-picking the errors, rather I'll just stand on what I have already said and offer you a specific link...

Reflections on the TALF and the Federal Reserve's Role as Liquidity Provider

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CDSmith

Again with the Ron Paul threads.

Honestly I can never decide whether to throw this topic into the "It'll never happen" file or the "I'll believe it when I see it" file.

Every 4 years, same problem I have.

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dyna mo

that was 40 years ago and doesn't negate the fact he is a career politician and has been for decades and decades.

uno

Wow, I thought you were off the reservation before, but now it appears much much worse.

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nation-x

Read what I posted... I said he will never make it out of the primaries... it doesn't matter how he polls against Obama... let's see him win a Republican primary...

u-Bob

Yes, those big corp had been using act of aggression (murder, theft, armed gangs, pinkertons,...) for a long time before the regs came along. But those regs were not aimed at reducing the several forms of abuse committed by those corps. Those regs were aimed at making the life of the corps easier.

First nature preservation regs, national parks etc.... were paid for and lobbied for by big railway tycoons who didn't want small local railway companies to build connections between their local railways and thus become an alternative for the large transcontinental railways.

Banking regs: J.D. Rockefeller himself said that he did not like the free market. "Competition is a sin" he said. Why? Because competition drives down prices and increases the quality of the end products. Instead of competing the big corps chose to form governments enforced cartels. And guess who the bureaucrats were who got to oversee everything? yes, people from those same big corps.