1) I posted about numbers of users in reply to KlenTelaris post, not about "quality" of users
2) Oh really? Between other users WP is used by the fucking NASA. You know, those guys so smart the could fake a moon landing. Take a look at other noobs using WP
3) I prefer Drupal over Joomla myself. That being said, it seems to be an objective fact that Joomla is more used than Drupal. Plus, your argument of "look how this ultra sophisticated script is used by companies with dozens of programmers" isn't exactly the best advice when talking about UX. And let's not even start about UI. Just sayin'
4) As we're at it, name 1 thing that Drupal, Joomla OR ANY OTHER FREE CMS can do that WP can't. I always do that question and only hear crickets. Hell, let's make it ANY OTHER PAID CMS. For every single REAL thing you find I promise I'll name 3 your CMS of choice can't do :winkwink: Again, I never found anything, but be my guest, maybe you can find something. And the beauty of WP is the day you find that something (if ever!!!!), you'll find it done in 1 or 2 weeks at most. For starters, that will never happen with any other CMS, free or paid

"Joomla is such a piece of shit

thats all i wanted to say."

Yes.

Lol, it sounds like someone got frustrated with too many options and having to learn.

The security of closed/open source is entirely dependent on the programmers.

It's all about the programmer, not "open" or "closed" source.

You feel that way because of all the half baked PHP code pumped out by
rookies a few years ago.

I love Wordpress and would always try and choose it over any other CMS, but it cannot, for example, perform the extremely simple task (in standalone code) of having sortable rated comments.

There may also be other stuff it can't do - ie, specialized forum, chat, gallery, video software might be better that WP kluges - so I don't think it's the be all and end all, but I agree it can be customized to do pretty much anything, and is really easy to use.

Depends what you want. All the CMSs mentioned have at least some features you might not necessarily need. If you want an application that performs a relatively simple task then it makes far more sense to code it yourself, especially if that task can't be done in a CMS.

Assuming it's competently written it's likely to be faster because it's not loading a bunch of crap you don't need.

As for security, it works both ways. I'm all for open source, but it allows anyone, good or bad, to analyse the code and spot weaknesses. Write your own code and nobody can comb through it or run it on their server at home trying to find ways to hack it.

That would be open source code, surely? If you mean encoded PHP, you have to be out of your mind to use encoded scripts from someone else. Even open source is risky, depending on where you get it from.

well, as standalone code, sure it can't. But the thing is that with some customization or by using plugins (depending on what you need more or less) it can do it all. Of the ones you mention:
- sortable rated comments --> yes, you can build your own from scratch, use a plugin or do a small mod to any Comment rating plugin (basically take the DB and order it)
- specialized forum --> I'm not sure what do you mean here, but WP has pretty good forum plugins OR you can make WP itself work as a forum. OR you can bridge it with most forum software
chat --> many plugins for chat, you can also build an AJAX chat relatively easy
gallery --> please tell me you're kidding :Oh crap Not only WP has a built in gallery, but the gallery plugins for WP are the top of the crop
video --> we've developed a video solution for WP that is 10 times faster than any free or commercial script, bundled or standalone. More complete, handles ANY (and I mean ANY) kind of video (avi, wmv, mpg, mp4, flv and even smaller video versions for mobile), creates galleries on the fly, rotating thumbs, assigns screencaps to posts, watermarks and so on. I don't know of any other CMS that can do this other than WP. But even without our script, there are hundreds of video plugins for WP, ranging from very simple to pretty complex

As an example of what I mean, our multimedia manager script could work with Drupal and Joomla with some small mods, but... why bother? For the 3 persons that may use Drupal or Joomla? Seriously, it's just common sense. The day I see someone asking for Drupal or Joomla, that's the day I'll care about it, after all it's our business. In the meanwhile, it's just a waste of time

The future is buxom.

Has anyone ever used DotNetNuke?

A couple of years back, I had a Joomla skilled guy set up a site for me that turned out to be fairly popular. From a user-friendly perspective, it was easy and quick managing the site and I certainly wouldn`t say it was shit.

I like WordPress too but lots of people state that the coding in WP is shit.

Horses for courses I guess.

Can you point me to something that does it? Not being snarky, I would like to know if there is one. I searched high and low a couple of years ago and it appeared that not only were there no plugins, it was actually impossible to do that because of the way WP is built. Pretty sure with the update to version 3 they didn't add this feature or ability.

Yeah you can kludge WP into a "forum", but you can't pretend it's going to be better than using a real forum, like, say, myBB. And bridging is simply an admission that WP is no good for forums. :winkwink:

Yeah, I admit I was reaching with gallery, mainly because standalone gallery software is IMHO surprisingly sucky, but maybe that's more to do with looks than design. I admit WP has some very nice gallery themes and plugins.

Is that for 'public' video upload?

Video was also an afterthought, but I think something like Mediacore is a better solution than WP for a video site.

To be fair I think a lot of people do use Joomla and Drupal, or certainly used to. But there's no question I prefer Wordpress to either of them, not least because Google loves it. I looked at both, and a lot of other CMSs, years ago (someone mentioned MODx which I thought looked pretty good when I saw it) but after using Wordpress I haven't, unless I've had to, used anything else.

I still think, though, while you can do most things with WP, it's not necessarily the best solution for every type of site. I don't even think even Automattic would claim that.

I didn't say WP is the best for EVERYTHING, but it's certainly the only tool that allows you to do EVERYTHING. Mediacore is amazing.... if you have a team of developers OR lots of money to spend OR lots of time. Plus, you'll need very specialized servers AND/OR really tech savvy server support. In my experience, at least 90% of server support people doesn't even know how to turn on a computer, let alone install packages, so we're off to a horrible start. This, opposed to the 5 minutes (well, let's make it 30 seconds) WP install. Then, our script handles ANY extension, while Mediacore only allows FLV and HTML5.

And when you realize the once "FREE" script in fact is EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE you'll simply run away from it and cry over the time and money you wasted blaming yourself for not using WP :winkwink:

Now, I know you're nitpicking for the sake of argument, but seriously, there's not even a comparison.