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  • wig
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    • Feb 2002
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    #51
    Originally posted by The Demon
    Logical assumption on my part. Unless specifically clarified, you grouped everyone together.
    "...visit the dying in hospitals explaining to them how if they just accept Jesus or whoever they will be forgiven and go to heaven and avoid eternal torment."

    That reads to you that I grouped everyone together?
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    • D Ghost
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      • May 2006
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      #52
      What an idiot.

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      • The Demon
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        • Apr 2003
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        #53
        Originally posted by wig
        "...visit the dying in hospitals explaining to them how if they just accept Jesus or whoever they will be forgiven and go to heaven and avoid eternal torment."

        That reads to you that I grouped everyone together?
        Someone would explain to you what "initial" means and specifically what I quoted you saying. Great misdirection though
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        • mikesinner
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          • Nov 2005
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          #54
          Originally posted by wig
          "...visit the dying in hospitals explaining to them how if they just accept Jesus or whoever they will be forgiven and go to heaven and avoid eternal torment."

          That reads to you that I grouped everyone together?
          If someone did that to me I would punch them in the face. There is nothing to be forgiven for. Sin is a Christian invention. The biblical good is a prick.

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          • garce
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            • Oct 2001
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            #55
            Originally posted by $5 submissions
            True.

            OT: Also slamming ALL of religion for some douchebags that use religion as a cover for their base motivations is like condemning all burritos cuz you didn't like the quality of Taco Bell's gut rockets.
            No it isn't. Burritos are real - whether they're good or not. Invisible men who live in the sky are not real. Really, it seems most religions kill members of other religions over the SAME invisible man who lives in the sky. That's beyond stupid.

            Also, the world's not flat, and the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth. If you're going to believe 2,000 year old bullshit written by people who would die if they got an infected hangnail, you might as well believe all the idiotic shit they spewed.

            As soon as a member of your family gets cancer - or even a minor infection - you're not going to be praying to God; you're going to be heading to a hospital.

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            • mikesinner
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              • Nov 2005
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              #56
              Originally posted by garce
              No it isn't. Burritos are real - whether they're good or not. Invisible men who live in the sky are not real. Really, it seems most religions kill members of other religions over the SAME invisible man who lives in the sky. That's beyond stupid.

              Also, the world's not flat, and the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth. If you're going to believe 2,000 year old bullshit written by people who would die if they got an infected hangnail, you might as well believe all the idiotic shit they spewed.

              As soon as a member of your family gets cancer - or even a minor infection - you're not going to be praying to God; you're going to be heading to a hospital.
              The voice of reason here.

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              • The Demon
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                • Apr 2003
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                #57
                Lol mikesinner. Cults and secularism have done more killing in the name of their agenda than religion could ever hope to.
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                • LedZep
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                  • Feb 2006
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by The Demon
                  Lol mikesinner. Cults and secularism have done more killing in the name of their agenda than religion could ever hope to.
                  Oh please, NOBODY has killed more people on this planet than christians.

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                  • cam_girls
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                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2968

                    #59
                    If Mexico declared war on Africa you'd call that a religious war too.

                    God is very real, I can talk to him just as easily as talking to any of you, by pointing to a random quote.

                    He's not a sky pixie, he's the result of macro quantum entanglement non local coordination optimising our pathways through parallel future projections!

                    Since the topic is basically open, why not take a chill pill and challenge your understanding?

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                    • cam_girls
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                      • Apr 2009
                      • 2968

                      #60
                      Originally posted by LiveDose
                      I have no problem with organized religion, just keep it to yourselves. I don't appreciate the idiotic 'Jesus saves' bumper stickers.

                      I can just open to a random page to answer that!



                      God thinks you're MAD!

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                      • The Demon
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                        • Apr 2003
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                        #61
                        Originally posted by LedZep
                        Oh please, NOBODY has killed more people on this planet than christians.
                        Good thing that statement has ANY validity to it.
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                        • Barry-xlovecam
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                          • Jun 2010
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                          #62
                          Originally posted by garce
                          [I]nvisible men who live in the sky are not real. ...
                          QFT










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                          • Agent 488
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                            • Feb 2006
                            • 22511

                            #63
                            Originally posted by cam_girls
                            I
                            He's not a sky pixie, he's the result of macro quantum entanglement non local coordination optimising our pathways through parallel future projections!
                            pretty much ....

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                            • mikesinner
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                              • Nov 2005
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                              #64
                              Originally posted by The Demon
                              Lol mikesinner. Cults and secularism have done more killing in the name of their agenda than religion could ever hope to.
                              Without the use or religion as their motivator they would not be able to carry out those wars. The truth is there are very few atheists in foxholes. There are very few in prison as well.

                              Of course there are atheist everywhere but most of us like our lives too much to risk losing them in a war unless we have a damn good reason and us Vs them isn't good enough.

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                              • The Demon
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                                • Apr 2003
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                                #65
                                Stalin and 50 million dead would disagree with you.
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                                • Agent 488
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                                  • Feb 2006
                                  • 22511

                                  #66
                                  political ideology can motivate millions to murder as well.

                                  to think that human nature and the fruits of evolution will change if people stopped believing in religion is just as naive as much of what passes for religion and spirituality for the majority of the world.

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                                  • mikesinner
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                                    • Nov 2005
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                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by The Demon
                                    Stalin and 50 million dead would disagree with you.
                                    The Jews in the bible, the Christians that killed Jews and pagans during the early years of Christianity. The protestants and catholics that killed each other during the 300 year war. Hitler, who used god is on our side in almost every speech and who also said that his extermination of the Jews was doing gods work. He also wrote that Jesus saw the Jews for the dangerous race they were.

                                    These things alone more than cover for all the rest of worlds wars.

                                    And that 50 million number is blown out of proportion. Most theist websites come up with some idiotic shit like that. The accepted number by most scholars is 20 million tops.

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                                    • The Demon
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                                      • Apr 2003
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                                      #68
                                      Lol, do you even to bother to provide evidence for your baseless speculation!
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                                      • The Demon
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                                        • Apr 2003
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by Agent 488
                                        political ideology can motivate millions to murder as well.

                                        to think that human nature and the fruits of evolution will change if people stopped believing in religion is just as naive as much of what passes for religion and spirituality for the majority of the world.
                                        First time we have ever agreed.
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                                        • LedZep
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                                          • Feb 2006
                                          • 111

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by The Demon
                                          Stalin and 50 million dead would disagree with you.

                                          100 million Native Americans would disagree with you, along with 6 million Jews, and 4 million slaves. And thats the tip of the iceberg.

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                                          • The Demon
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                                            • Apr 2003
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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by LedZep
                                            100 million Native Americans would disagree with you, along with 6 million Jews, and 4 million slaves. And thats the tip of the iceberg.
                                            Good thing you didn't pull those numbers out of your ass, or used religion as a jusitification for 3 events that weren't religion based. Oh wait.
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                                            • LedZep
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                                              • Feb 2006
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                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by The Demon
                                              Good thing you didn't pull those numbers out of your ass, or used religion as a jusitification for 3 events that weren't religion based. Oh wait.


                                              Ahh, because they werent 'religion based' genocides the fact that they were done by a majority of christians is meaningless.

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                                              • The Demon
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                                                • Apr 2003
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                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by LedZep
                                                Ahh, because they werent 'religion based' genocides the fact that they were done by a majority of christians is meaningless.
                                                So by your logic, if two guys who happened to be.. Lets say Jewish, massacred 300 people, it's automatically a religious event? ROFLROFLROFL. Enough said. Way to know your history. (Hint: Sarcasm)
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                                                • LedZep
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                                                  • Feb 2006
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                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by The Demon
                                                  So by your logic, if two guys who happened to be.. Lets say Jewish, massacred 300 people, it's automatically a religious event? ROFLROFLROFL. Enough said. Way to know your history. (Hint: Sarcasm)


                                                  2 guys is not a society, nice try though. You must be a product of that wonderful Texas Bush educational system, or more likely you were home schooled by your stepdads collection of All In The Family.

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                                                  • The Demon
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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by LedZep
                                                    2 guys is not a society, nice try though. You must be a product of that wonderful Texas Bush educational system, or more likely you were home schooled by your stepdads collection of All In The Family.
                                                    As opposed to your retarded hippie education of sitting by the fire and smoking pot while forgoing showering or any kind of acceptable hygiene rituals?

                                                    But still, your argument that just because they were Christian, it was a "religious" war, is priceless. I hope you got your GED but I'm guessing education isn't too high a priority on your list.
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                                                    • LedZep
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                                                      • Feb 2006
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                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by The Demon
                                                      As opposed to your retarded hippie education of sitting by the fire and smoking pot while forgoing showering or any kind of acceptable hygiene rituals?

                                                      But still, your argument that just because they were Christian, it was a "religious" war, is priceless. I hope you got your GED but I'm guessing education isn't too high a priority on your list.

                                                      Where did I say they were religious wars? Where did I even use the word war? I feel like I'm playing chess with a 5 year old. Do you suffer from some type of mental disorder?

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                                                      • The Demon
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                                                        • Apr 2003
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                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by LedZep
                                                        Where did I say they were religious wars? Where did I even use the word war? I feel like I'm playing chess with a 5 year old. Do you suffer from some type of mental disorder?
                                                        Oh I'm sorry, you want to play a game of misdirection after you get your ass handed to you because you're too stupid to use common sense and do research before you type. But to amuse myself with an inferior, I'll play your game. 6 millions Jews were killed in the Holocaust during World War 2. There.. Keep trying though.
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                                                        • LedZep
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                                                          • Feb 2006
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                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by The Demon
                                                          Oh I'm sorry, you want to play a game of misdirection after you get your ass handed to you because you're too stupid to use common sense and do research before you type. But to amuse myself with an inferior, I'll play your game. 6 millions Jews were killed in the Holocaust during World War 2. There.. Keep trying though.
                                                          Originally posted by LedZep
                                                          100 million Native Americans would disagree with you, along with 6 million Jews, and 4 million slaves. And thats the tip of the iceberg.

                                                          Not only do you have serious mental issues you suffer from a reading comprehension problem as well. Maybe the two are related? Seriously, have you ever had a mental health evaluation?

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                                                          • The Demon
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                                                            • Apr 2003
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                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by LedZep
                                                            Not only do you have serious mental issues you suffer from a reading comprehension problem as well. Maybe the two are related? Seriously, have you ever had a mental health evaluation?
                                                            I'll play your game. 6 millions Jews were killed in the Holocaust during World War 2. There.. Keep trying though
                                                            Way too easy. The misdirections are amusing. Once again, I find myself arguing with a GED hopeful.
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                                                            • ThunderBalls
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                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                              • 2926

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by LedZep
                                                              Not only do you have serious mental issues you suffer from a reading comprehension problem as well. Maybe the two are related? Seriously, have you ever had a mental health evaluation?
                                                              The don't believe in that sort of thang where he comes frum.

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                                                              • cam_girls
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                                                                • Apr 2009
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                                                                #81
                                                                Well this is a GODWIN thread for sure!

                                                                OK 1/2 of people are religious so cut the B/S stats

                                                                What happened when USA got nukes? 100,000 innocent civilians ashed in 1/10th second

                                                                Nobody is running along the battlefield out to kill people because they pray to Buddha or anything else.

                                                                Take another chillpill, and cut the war stats B/S, it was kill or be killed for everyone in those times!

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                                                                • The Demon
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                                                                  • Apr 2003
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                  The don't believe in that sort of thang where he comes frum.
                                                                  English?


                                                                  And no cam_girls, some morons need to rationalize their retarded choices in life so they pick on religion and then try to rationalize that in the absence of facts. It's quite amusing actually.
                                                                  Last edited by The Demon; 05-10-2011, 11:24 PM.
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                                                                  • ThunderBalls
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                                                                    • Oct 2002
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                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by The Demon
                                                                    Way too easy. The misdirections are amusing. Once again, I find myself arguing with a GED hopeful.
                                                                    This quote would be perfect in your sig...........

                                                                    ?It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept.?

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                                                                    • The Demon
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                                                                      • Apr 2003
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                      This quote would be perfect in your sig...........

                                                                      ?It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept.?
                                                                      I doubt the irony of that statement coming from you is lost on anybody.
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                                                                      • BlackCrayon
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                                                                        • Jun 2003
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by The Demon
                                                                        Lol mikesinner. Cults and secularism have done more killing in the name of their agenda than religion could ever hope to.
                                                                        christianity, by definition started as a cult and any religion could be considered a cult depending on the acceptance of it as a "legitimate" religion. the russian and nazi government/army killed people, not the citizens themselves. so what you are calling 'secularism' hasn't done shit. regardless i am sure the citizens has their own view on religion, which they were forced to keep private.
                                                                        you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                        • CaptainHowdy
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                                                                          #86
                                                                          Capitalism has the biggest bodycount ...

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                                                                          • The Demon
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                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                            christianity, by definition started as a cult and any religion could be considered a cult depending on the acceptance of it as a "legitimate" religion. the russian and nazi government/army killed people, not the citizens themselves. so what you are calling 'secularism' hasn't done shit. regardless i am sure the citizens has their own view on religion, which they were forced to keep private.
                                                                            Let me clarify lol since you seem to be mistaken about history. The Stalin Regime killed around 50 million if its own people. You can rationalize this fact any way you want but the point remains, secularism/anti religious groups have committed way more atrocities than anything in the name of religion, despite what you want to tell yourself.
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                                                                            • BlackCrayon
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                                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by The Demon
                                                                              Let me clarify lol since you seem to be mistaken about history. The Stalin Regime killed around 50 million if its own people. You can rationalize this fact any way you want but the point remains, secularism/anti religious groups have committed way more atrocities than anything in the name of religion, despite what you want to tell yourself.
                                                                              and...? stalin could of been jewish and still used his power to kill 50 million. i fail to see why you think secularism is what killed these people.
                                                                              you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                              • wig
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                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                and...? stalin could of been jewish and still used his power to kill 50 million. i fail to see why you think secularism is what killed these people.
                                                                                The whole point of counting dead bodies is irrelevant.

                                                                                It has absolutely no bearing on whether monotheism is true.

                                                                                Secular societies could have never murdered a single person and Christianity (as an example) could still be true.

                                                                                Of course, there is no real evidence to believe monotheistic religious claims are true and plenty of evidence to doubt them.
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                                                                                • BlackCrayon
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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by wig
                                                                                  The whole point of counting dead bodies is irrelevant.

                                                                                  It has absolutely no bearing on whether monotheism is true.

                                                                                  Secular societies could have never murdered a single person and Christianity (as an example) could still be true.

                                                                                  Of course, there is no real evidence to believe monotheistic religious claims are true and plenty of evidence to doubt them.
                                                                                  yeah. i am not trying to argue what is true or what is not. i just don't buy that secularism turns people into beasts and religion is the only thinking keeping us from being animals. it seems quite the opposite in most casese.
                                                                                  you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                  • wig
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                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                    yeah. i am not trying to argue what is true or what is not. i just don't buy that secularism turns people into beasts and religion is the only thinking keeping us from being animals. it seems quite the opposite in most casese.
                                                                                    I agree. It is an unfounded fear of the religious.

                                                                                    It is a somewhat testable hypothesis as well. If true, you would expect to find highly irreligious societies wrought with moral / social problems and highly religious societies not so. That seems to fly in the face of the evidence.
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                                                                                    • KisforKink
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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      hmm.....

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                                                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                                                        • Mar 2004
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                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        When the Catholics can invent purgatory, I know it's all BS

                                                                                        I believe in god, just not the writings of man
                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                        • The Demon
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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                                          yeah. i am not trying to argue what is true or what is not. ust don't buy that secularism turns people into beasts and religionthe only thinking keeping us from being animals. it seems quite the opposite in most casese.
                                                                                          Nice strawman but you know that's not what I was arguing. What I said was in response to the idiots who claim religion is the reason holy wars exist and millions of people die, and I countered that claim with proof of the other end of the spectrum. There's no conclusive knowledge for or against religion and both sides are still going to try and argue like morons.
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