why this biz is dying

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Dialers, Hidden Cross sales, Spam...

Drug Addicts some of them...
Its well documented.
Some in trouble with the FTC in history.

Only 1 MBA in that whole lot.

Dark dark histories man.

Hard to say.

Back when dialers (which absolutely DWARFED hidden x-sales in fucking people over) were everywhere...people were still spending tons of money on porn.

It was only in 2008 to 2011 that the shit hit the fan. And that was long after dialers were made illegal and x-sells were fading away and are pretty much gone now.

No...something else happened. Something that had never happened on that level before...Can't quite put my finger on what it is...think I'll go over to Pornhub and jerk off while I try to remember what it is that REALLY killed this business...

Shap has confirmed this, FTV has confirmed this, Met Art has confirmed this as some basic examples. They are making shit tons hand over fist right now

First and last...I am VERY aware of COPA. It had me worried at the time.

Shap has confirmed this, FTV has confirmed this, Met Art has confirmed this as some basic examples. They are making shit tons hand over fist right now

I really hate it when people say something like this. Just for the record guys that came into this industry at the start of online porn were uneducated idiots and drug addicts.

It is well documented, they were not smart they just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Then Uneducated thieves moved in that did everything they could think of to rip people off.

Good case study sex.com. Drug addict thief steals domain over charges for ad space upto a million a month for front page ad postions, original owner an idiot let's it slide goes to court for many years, get's it back has a penchant for prescriptions destroy's sex.com... ( Both not smart, both dumb, both uneducated one is a thief. )

Founders of this business deserve no respect, they are the ones that put this industry where it is at today.
Some of them are still doing it... Though experienced guys know who they are and how to avoid them.

Calling them "Smart Businessmen" is really not the term that should be used whats so ever.

Some of them just got a lucky break with a few good domains that sold off because they got lucky registering .coms early, some set up elaborate email scams, some stole content outright since there was no DMCA adn even then the DMCA was largely ignored. To this day I can not think of a singular smart guy in this business that started with absolutley nothing, did not rip a single person off without a big break of one sort or another.

sorry to burst your bubble of optimism but I will guarantee you that FTV and Met Art are down by a minimum of 50% in sales from 4 years ago. Twistys the same - nobody is immune. Shap is into other stuff besides Twistys. Those people aren't suffering like many of us are, if 4 years ago they were doing 500 joins a day and now it's 200 a day that's still good money. It's the guys who were doing 10-20 joins a day and now are doing 5 or 6 - they're suffering.

Are you for fucking real ? I dont think I have seen bigger stereotyping in my life!

Google wasn't the first search. Facebook wasn't the first social network.

People who are first get complacent and arrogant. Because they're first, and have little to no competition, success comes easy. They think they're the shit, but don't realize they just got very, very, very lucky.

Then when others come along later, true innovators with real skill who give people better service or product, who have to work harder and more creatively to break into an existing market, the dinosaurs get destroyed because they don't have the ability to adapt and change.

All they can do is flail around without a clue, playing a broken record about how much better it was in "1998" when they made $10,000 a day spamming newsgroups, and crying about how life isn't fair because other people came along and beat them at their own game by playing it better.

I really hate it when people say something like this. Just for the record guys that came into this industry at the start of online porn were uneducated idiots and drug addicts.

It is well documented, they were not smart they just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Then Uneducated thieves moved in that did everything they could think of to rip people off.

Good case study sex.com. Drug addict thief steals domain over charges for ad space upto a million a month for front page ad postions, original owner an idiot let's it slide goes to court for many years, get's it back has a penchant for prescriptions destroy's sex.com... ( Both not smart, both dumb, both uneducated one is a thief. )

Founders of this business deserve no respect, they are the ones that put this industry where it is at today.
Some of them are still doing it... Though experienced guys know who they are and how to avoid them.

Calling them "Smart Businessmen" is really not the term that should be used whats so ever.

Some of them just got a lucky break with a few good domains that sold off because they got lucky registering .coms early, some set up elaborate email scams, some stole content outright since there was no DMCA adn even then the DMCA was largely ignored. To this day I can not think of a singular smart guy in this business that started with absolutley nothing, did not rip a single person off without a big break of one sort or another.

-Make it illegal in the US to show hardcore or even software outside members areas.
-Block all sites hosted outside the US and if they want to be accessible in the US they will need to have a mirror hosted in the US that will have to obey US law.

I seem to have become infected with the Markham.