Originally Posted by wig (Post 18116873)

Yes, you said inflation has doubled. Would you like me to quote your own words for you again? :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 18116876)

What I was showing was, at the current pace it is going to be Very high by the end of they year.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18116892)

Because of gas prices that are not figured into your precious CPI, so much for half a brain stem, you can't even fucking read

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18116891)

You can conclude whatever you want. You can call me names. You can create strawman arguments.

But for a guy that claims not to call people names for no reason, who purports to value facts and who argues as if he has some economic knowledge and is well read, I'm not impressed.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18116882)

Been tested 3 times, way above average, that's how I concluded yours, do you even know the mathamatical equation for figuring out IQ?

14.3% of US citizens recieve food stamps
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/...e-food-stamps/

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18116900)

Dear Mr. Tested IQ:

Has the BLS removed food or energy prices in its official measure of inflation?

No. The BLS publishes thousands of CPI indexes each month, including the headline All Items CPI for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U) and the CPI-U for All Items Less Food and Energy. The latter series, widely referred to as the "core" CPI, is closely watched by many economic analysts and policymakers under the belief that food and energy prices are volatile and are subject to price shocks that cannot be damped through monetary policy. However, all consumer goods and services, including food and energy, are represented in the headline CPI.

Now, did you look at the links I provided that contain food and energy line items?

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18116897)

Define very high. I think I posted already that it would likely be higher this year. I doubt it will be that much over the average of the last 90 years.

Anyway, I don't think we're in disagreement. :)

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18116906)

More misdirection. :Oh crap

Now go dig up some posts where you can show me supporting Obama. If you can't, then I'll consider that another retreat and concession. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18116906)

More misdirection. :Oh crap

Now go dig up some posts where you can show me supporting Obama. If you can't, then I'll consider that another retreat and concession. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18116902)

You can't even read your own posts ....

I'm still waiting for you to come back about the two outdated links you posted

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18116913)

Try to find a post about me supporting Bush

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18116915)

The ones that showed that we've had negative to moderate inflation since 2009? :1orglaugh

You seriously don't see the relevance of that to both the OP and your claim that inflation has doubled? Did you even look at the monthly data for 2011 so far? Shall I do more work for you and cite them here?

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18116920)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh And that has what to do with the price of tea in China?

It's been fun watching you run around in circles, but I'm going out.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18116648)

prejudices,
... And Snoop Dog isn't black.

In the the same post, not very bright are you?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18116923)

Wait, now you're going to redirect the debate, not happening.
Your links were to 2009 and 2010,
The op was about recent gas prices, it's 2011 BTW

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18116926)

you stated you didn't support Obama, that was my response, sorry that's above your comprehension

Originally Posted by jesse_adultdatingdollars (Post 18114240)

I know one bitch who is not better today than two years ago. Osama haha. Punk bitch.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 18113715)

God do you ever not talk in right wing talking points.lol Plan on 9 percent being the new normal. Clinton signed Nafta and the jobs started moving, during Bush 50,000 factories were closed, jobs are shipped over seas daily now. But the stock market is strong and the rich are richer . Its fuck the middle class like its always been.I bet you didnt know that before Reagan dropped the tax rate for the rich besides WW2 we didnt have deficits. I read in Business week, the rich are paying the lowest tax rates in history and we have the biggest deficits hmmm I wonder if there is a connection there. Nothing or anyone will bring jobs back unless Americans are going to start working for 30 cents a hour.Its not a tax issue the rich are paying the lowest they have ever paid and I dont see a hiring boom.Also tell me where this $1.79 gas was? Because in atl and gas tends to be cheaper here and it was never close to that price in a long time.

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18117308)

I could have said "and Pope is not Catholic"..
Fucking idiot. No wonder you job is to pose as a female pornstar.
Let me ask you this. What percentage of 250K do you make? I bet its about 10%.

Originally Posted by potter (Post 18118387)

Vendzilla - one of the biggest partisan politicos on gfy.

Seriously dude, soon as I clicked this thread and saw it was you and politics, it's like "oh jesus christ".

People like you who just try to split and polarize everything is everything that has been and will continue to lead us down the wrong direction. You don't like Obama, fine - whho gives a fuck. But all you do is post negative talking points and sling shit at the other side. That's not any way to push for things to get better or get people to see the light.

You're part of the problem, not the solution.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18117777)

No. You assumed I supported Obama and alleged so, and I pointed out that you'd have to find a post I've made to show that.

Rather than provide the post, you merely responded with the irrelevant comment that you don't have a post where you supported Bush, which is something I never even brought up.

I think you need to get your IQ test done for a 4th time. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 18118113)

This is wrong. The public debt has grown every year since the great depression. As a percentage of GDP Reagan took us from 33% to just over 50%...but Reagan resided over the greatest expansion of GDP of any modern president, so his budget shortfalls are hidden to a degree. Clinton still had growing budget deficits but the rate of deficit spending shrank during the majority of his presidency. And actually GW continued this trend until 911. Obama in his 2 years has taken us from 69% to 92.8%. If you dont find this alarming you should.

I know he stood no chance, but I wonder "what if" Ron Paul had been elected what the world would look like today? I hope obama can get things back on course soon.

http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=n o&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Freq=Year& FirstYear=1976&LastYear=2011&3Place=N&AllYearsChk= YES&Update=Update&JavaBox=no#Mid
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18119322)

I read through some of this, and then I asked myself - am I better off than I was 2 minutes ago?

And the answer is - no, not so much.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18119322)

I read through some of this, and then I asked myself - am I better off than I was 2 minutes ago?

And the answer is - no, not so much.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18119322)

I read through some of this, and then I asked myself - am I better off than I was 2 minutes ago?

And the answer is - no, not so much.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18118534)

Ok, so according to this statement, you are saying don't question authority?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18118572)

You keep bringing up inflation as the government measures it without food and fuel prices, when my op about it said gas prices. And keep bringing up links that don't reflect this year.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18120810)

Oh for fucks sake, you can't be that stupid.

You can't argue that gas prices being higher today makes things worse off than 2 years ago because the reason gas prices were so low then was because we were staring a deflationary collapse in the face.

Hence, the relevancy of the CPI numbers (both headline and excluding food and energy from 2009 to 2011) to answer your original question AND to show you that your claims about inflation TODAY are also MISGUIDED.

One last time, the links to the BLS include CPI for both headline inflation and inflation excluding food and energy. If you look in the monthly releases for 2011 you can see that.

And, since you clearly do not comprehend what you read and probably need a picture, there is a graph on page 5 of the March 2011 release that shows both CPI's for the last 10 years.



You started this part, genius. :1orglaugh

Don't confuse me addressing all your fallacious arguments for skating around.



Answered in my very first post. Explained ad nauseum afterwards.

Later, Obama Hater.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18120838)

Again I said inflation with gas prices, you just can't get over that can you?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18114589)

Are you? did you figure in inflation, thats double considering gas prices

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18120810)

Oh for fucks sake, you can't be that stupid.

You can't argue that gas prices being higher today makes things worse off than 2 years ago because the reason gas prices were so low then was because we were staring a deflationary collapse in the face.

Hence, the relevancy of the CPI numbers (both headline and excluding food and energy from 2009 to 2011) to answer your original question AND to show you that your claims about inflation TODAY are also MISGUIDED.

One last time, the links to the BLS include CPI for both headline inflation and inflation excluding food and energy. If you look in the monthly releases for 2011 you can see that.

And, since you clearly do not comprehend what you read and probably need a picture, there is a graph on page 5 of the March 2011 release that shows both CPI's for the last 10 years.



You started this part, genius. :1orglaugh

Don't confuse me addressing all your fallacious arguments for skating around.



Answered in my very first post. Explained ad nauseum afterwards.

Later, Obama Hater.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18113710)

Some people think it's raining because they were told it was raining, when we are actually getting pissed on.........

Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 18113958)

The US needs Clinton. The only way for the US to get out of this mess is to write in Bill Clinton on your ballot during the next presidential election. That's it.

Nobody else will do.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18120876)

While you were questioning bm bradley because he said he is doing better personally -- and we can't have that under Obama -- perhaps you meant to say that gas prices are double.

Of course, that's not what you said, is it? You said inflation has doubled.

Even so, you neither understand or acknowledge your mistake, nor do you understand the relevance of gas prices (now and then) as it relates to your question of whether we are better off today or 2 years ago.

In your simpleton world view, it doesn't matter that gas prices being lower 2 years ago was actually because things were worse then, not better. IOW, prices then were a symptom of how bad things were.

Are you really such a one dimensional thinker or are you just hard headed?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18120924)

I said

that means inflation considering gas prices,

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18121113)

Right. Which is another way of saying across the board "inflation". Inflation of gas prices is something different; more specific. But again, that may be what you are retreating to, but it is not what you typed.

Moreover, you failed to comprehend / acknowledge (for the umpteenth time) that the price of gas between 2009 and today does not indicate what you think it does or support your contentions.



Which is only part of increased costs in any given food commodity. There have been plenty of food commodities that have decreased in price while fuel prices have risen, which should be your first clue that the issue is not as simple as you would like to argue it.

Of course, you would know that if you bothered to look at the numbers.



wrong. the headline CPI does address this as I have repeatedly told you. there are line items for energy and food. my 7 year old son can read these, why can't you?



You neither understand what you write nor the implications of the data you cite.

I think I understand completely why this is so, but I've exhausted myself trying to explain it you so I'll just leave you to your misunderstandings.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18116636)

I'm better off now than 2 years ago, but a lot of that was because of pure luck and a lot of hard work, not the leadership of this country.

Originally Posted by alessergod (Post 18121191)

I am not contesting the luck and hard work as only you would know the truth of those issues. However, when you say not because of the leadership you are making a big leap. Just for the sake of argument, suppose McCain/Palin won and did not enact the stimulus and tax cuts and the economy went into the toilet worse than it is now. In that case your pure luck and hard work may not have mattered and you would be truely worse off. The leadership issue is too relative.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18121226)

It's like trying to explain to a small child that the moon really isn't following him.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18121231)

The democrats are always fond of saying that the stimulus saved millions of jobs from being lost, please show proof, they can't, but you can't disprove it either.


And the thread is not entitled are you better, it's are "WE" better off.

I just see 14.3% on food stamps in the US and I'm not happy when we are spending millions using drones in Pakistan

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18121233)

And you keep debating one sentance, why is that?

Originally Posted by alessergod (Post 18121275)

Exactly my point, it can't be proved or not. I was just using your story as an example, not singling you out. I'm sure there are many more people in the same situation.

I agree with you on the drones in Pakistan, think we should bring as many of our troops as possible out of the whole region. But i think with all the natural resources especially those found in Afghanistan we will be there awhile.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18121314)

Yeah, lithium being the strongest reason.

It's just that most that voted for Barry were tired of the wars that Bush started , now we are shooting in 2 more countries