How many times do you call people "Morons" in your threads???

Not to mention dismantling the task force in charge of finding Bin Laden and making him a non-priority.

In almost every measurable way things are improving. :2 cents:

Stock Markets up
Health Care Reform
Bin Laden dead by the same team that took out those pirates
End of DADT
Tax cuts for everyone(even the rich)
The list can go on and on.

The only thing worse right now is that gas prices are on the rise because of speculators and the instability in the middle east with all the revolutions going on which have been, mostly, peaceful and started by people using twitter and facebook and NOT through military occupations.

Did you pay attention to anything Obama has ever said? He never said he would fix it all. He never said it was a quick process. Quite to the contrary he pointed out the troubles that lay ahead and the tremendous effort it would take to BEGIN to address those issues.

If most of the political tards on this forum took a fraction of the time and energy spent here arguing with complete strangers over shit they do not control and put that into their online porn business, they would probably be the Warren Buffet of porn.

Instead, they opt for endless hours of partisan political debates with pornographers.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Considering you morons always blame Bush for the economy while crediting Obama for Osama's death, I'd say I was spot on. Nice job embarrassing yourself, jackass.:1orglaugh

Thats scary, LOL
I don't think that the stock market has that much to do with anyone much anymore unless you are investing, house prices are still going down here

Killing Osama, good thing

DADT, they didn't have that when I was in the military, don't understand why it was ever a problem, interested how thats working for them now

no tax cuts, just continued tax cuts from Bush

unemployment is still bad and accepting it as the new norm is wrong at 9% and thats not even counting the people that fell off after the 99 week thing

Gas prices are effecting food prices dramatically,
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...imbing-higher/

I just started a discussion , why is that a problem for you?

Inflation adjusted, the markets are worse now than they ever have been. Good try.
Which has done what except increase the national debt?
Which matters how? Oh wonderful, homosexuals can join the military now, we live in a utopia!
You mean the Bush tax cuts?
I'm sure it can due to your ongoing rationalization. We'd all love to see an actual list of "better" things.

Things are a lot better then they were 2 years ago.

Please enlighten, what exactly?

You'll get a few diehard liberals to delude themselves that things are better. The rest have thankfully fallen in line.

I do not care if you want to start your discussion topics. I do not care how many different right wing, Obama or Democrat hating, political threads you start. Nor that you like to go round and round with these all day week after week pissing in the wind on some pornography message board.

The point is very simple.

Stop trying to give the illusion to others you are 'presenting facts' when it is clear to anyone who has read even a handful of these types of threads that you are in, that you are biased like a mofo. Just say that and be honest with yourself.

I normally do not bother to even ready these threads, much less participate in them, as they are the same cast of characters arguing the same point, counter points, over and over every week. I just happened to catch this one today and saw the same name (you) with the same view point as always. But citing, 'just the facts'. When in fact is just more bantering of your die hard partisan beliefs. Just don the white sheets and be done with it.

:helpme

You are completely wrong about "just continued tax cuts from Bush". Everyone got a tax cut up to 250k or more for families as well as other incentives, breaks, and credits.

Unemployment has been falling, barring the recent rise, but the job growth is also on an upward trajectory.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...ike/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...ike/index.html

the sheeple are getting mad :)

Which tax cut exactly? The one I got was like $10 a week and replaced another one that was lapsing. Although the one that it is replacing, I believe Obama set up the year before.

Falling because people ran out of 99 weeks.

If there is a person who thinks Obama can do no wrong, they are an idiot.
If there is a person who thinks Obama can do no right, they are an idiot.

Now my point has to be clear. It really has to be. :helpme

Looks like the "sheeple" calling everyone else sheeple so they can sleep better at night are still delusional:1orglaugh

The thing is, the majority of the people here fall into the "idiot" category.

Ok enlighten us with your brilliance, where is the nation better?

we are at 9% unemployment

we are shooting at people in 4 different countries

We are deeper in debt than 2 years ago

And gas does sell for more than $4 here in LA

Please explain where these are not facts! and simple my imagination or partisan beliefs!!

No, they are Bush Tax breaks that Obama extended

And unemployment is still at 9% with many people falling off at 99 weeks where they can't get unemployment anymore, just facts, not going to believe it won't make it go away

Well, your question (and the answer) all depends on who you mean by "we".

Obama has done some things that are good,

he killed Osama
he promised to stop attacking pot collectives with federal money
oh wait, he lied about that,

Help me out here, looking for something else I can agree with

Oh wait, no, he lied about that too

He did start doing more arrests of illegal aliens.

I'm just getting tired of all the wars

the US......

Our constitution gives very little domestic power to a President...a President's primary power is in foreign policy. A President cannot make law and a President does not control the finances/spending. The power to make law lies with Congress and the Congress controls the finances/spending. The greatest power of a President in domestic policy is that of the "bully pulpit".

It is generations of Congress and their policies and party politics that are the primary cause of today's problems.

Ultimately though...it is the American people/electorate that are responsible for today's problems...as it is still a nation of government by the people and for the people.

It is an uninterested and ignorant electorate that continue to vote in those that represent us in Government. I know people and I am satisfied that many...if not most of you...know people that do not watch the news on T.V...do not read a news paper...do not read books...and yet will vote in elections...Local...State and Federal...but primarily in State or Federal. I know people that when they receive their ballot in the mail...they spend...maybe twenty or thirty minutes...looking it over and that is the sum total of their political knowledge about the candidates and issues and yet they will vote. Also as you know a relatively small percentage even go to the trouble to vote at all.

Many Americans believe that we only have a two party system and are not even aware that there are about 50 officially registered political parties in this country.

There will be nothing change for the better without the American people/electorate taking an interest and educating themselves about the parties...candidates and issues...and frequently letting their representatives know what their thinking is about the way they are being represented on the issues.

My confidence level is high that conditions will get much worse before the American people will get their ass in gear.

I agree with most of what you said but I also believe that the government has been overstepping it's power at the same time. When did the congress vote to allow drone attacks on Pakistan? When they make laws, they make ways around them.

Wow, is your memory really that skewed? Obama did lower taxes for income up to 250k. Part of the stimulus was tax credits and related items specifically targeting the middle class but also cutting taxes for everyone up to that point.

You can say the unemployment numbers are ONLY(which is a ridiculous argument) down because of people running out of it, but you all ignored the steady upswing in job creation which was a huge turn from the downward path of Bush job growth. Unemployment is at the end of the spectrum to go down in a recovery and its been showing signs of continued decline, yet you seem to practically delight in a % of a % uptick as tho it proves and validates your arguments. I'm sorry your hatred for our President blinds you so much you are willing to ignore or discount/nullify all the positives. Are some things bad? Of course. Are most things getting better? Yes. Are there always pitfalls that we can fall in to? Of course.

are we better off than we were 2 years ago?

absolutely not

Skewed?

OK

President Obama just announced a tentative deal with Republicans on extending the sweeping tax cuts signed by President George W. Bush nearly a decade ago.

The deal extends all the tax cuts for two years, including those on upper-income Americans that Obama wanted to end. As a result, the debate over the tax cuts will have to be joined again during the 2012 presidential campaign.
http://www.usatoday.com/communities/...ush-tax-cuts/1


From The Labor Department new applicants for unemployment insurance last week came in at a seasonally adjusted number of 388,000.

How is that any good?

Thanx for an honest answer, or did someone hack your account? LOL

Illegal immigration is down, deportations are up.

Iraq has wound down (50k troops, still too many, imo). Afghanistan is set to start winding down in July. Pakistani operations are and have been an extension of the war in Afghanistan and they certainly seem to have proved to be effective. You simply cannot call lybia a war.

I completely agree that we need more of our troops home. My brother-in-law was just deployed to afghanistan and he's had 2 tours in iraq, others in the balkans, spent years on the DMZ.

Personally, I don't think so.

The Congress gave that power to President Bush/the Presidency/the Commander in Chief when they overwhelmingly voted to allow the President to prosecute the "war on terror" as he/she sees fit. That power has never been withdrawn from the Presidency.

If you do not like the President having that power...how many times have you notified your Congressman that you want that power revoked or have notified the President that you do not like drones being used in Pakistan.

You can "believe that the government has been overstepping it's power"...that is your right to do so...but it is the third coequal branch of Government...not you...that has the power to decide if "Government is overstepping it's power"...and that is the Supreme Court.

I dislike barrack more than you.. for valid reasons. ;)

I'm not referring to the recent deal late last year for the extension of the Bush tax cuts for everyone. I'm talking about his first round of tax cuts in his first year.

I agree, unemployment: Bad, but you are still ignoring the fact that job creation is going up quarter by quarter. It's not where it should be nor where I'd like it to be yet, but things take time and we are RECOVERING from a huge recession.

I try to stay out of these things, but I find it depressing that you dismiss everyone on this board as pornographers, as if being politically aware is somehow incompatible with slangin' pr0n.

I'm really sick of the thing where people (not just you, but the majority) refuse to discuss issues and just shout partisan insults. If someone (such as Vendzilla) says something which is not wholly partisan, then the debate revolves around trying to shove him into one partisan box or another. White sheets? Come on, guys.

I think immigration is down because the economy is down, but read back, I acknowledged that.

As forthe countries we are fighting with, either we are fighting or we are not,people are still dieing and we can't afford the military cost

Everytime I send an email, I get a form letter response from a staffer

I think mine are valid, ok well making fruit flavored rolling paper illegal is kinda petty

you'll have to start using tietime lines then about tax cuts

Yes there is job creation, but there is also job lose, thats why we are at 9% still

Really? Please show the quote where he said he would stop attacking pot collectives.

sounds like a shit place to live

what country we talking about here???