i just started using the VS whitelabel today... how have they been? i searched and found no newer threads with info on them
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I would never use VS, as if you stop sending sales they change your revshare amount to only 5%, go with Streamate instead they convert better anyways. -
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They changed their terms I know of one webmaster that is losing about 500.00 a month in re-bills.
From another thread "forum" that I cant post here.
"These fucking guys just really take the cake for being top notch scammers. Wasn't so long ago that they started a shit storm because they closed an affiliates account because he stopped sending them traffic. Next they changed their payout scale to no longer include 25% because "Our commission structure has changed to 20-30% sliding scale. Unfortunately we do not offer such rates anymore as they simple are not tenable with our business model." Now they have some bullshit in their new terms which they just came up with last month about Dormant Affiliate Rate of 5%:
7.2 Dormant Affiliate Rate Adjustment. You acknowledge and agree that if the Company's records indicate that no new referrals have been credited to Your account for a period of one hundred and eighty (180) days, then regardless of the rate of commission or other compensation previously paid to You for referrals, Company shall have the option, but not the obligation, to unilaterally change the rate of commission for payment for referrals to a "Dormant Affiliate Rate". Currently the Dormant Affiliate Rate is five percent (5%).
I sent these fuckers a whale who spends $2,000 - $10,000 a fucking month on them and have been making 20% off of him for a while now, now this month, because I haven't sent any new customer (Mostly because their site doesn't convert) they bump me down to 5%.
WHAT A FUCKING LOAD OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"Last edited by MediumPimpin; 11-03-2011, 05:58 AM.Comment
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But they converted a whale for you? Did they not? I'm sensing some contradiction here.Comment
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Last month I had the highest amount of sales and commissions I've ever had with a cam company, and that was with Video Secrets. Their white label doesn't have any shared logo billing page bullshit, and actually looks like a part of the site. I don't know of any other white labels that have that option.
Vendzilla is an opinionated, hardheaded bastard, lol. But, he's always on the board and whether you agree or disagree with him, he's always willing to help. They have another rep Matt who is very helpful as well.
I had to recently switch one of my domains because they don't allow the use of "teen" anymore, and they sent emails to all of my customers making the transition as smooth as possible. And, most importantly, they gave me adequate notice so that I could take all the necessary steps required to make it a smooth transition.
Video Secrets is the only cam company I would recommend using.(ICQ - 664784872)Comment
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That is not me, I do not send them traffic.
But seeing that above that if you do not have a sale within 180 days you lose 95% of your re-bills? Show me another company that does that, why would you send anyone traffic that does this?
They have the right to change their TOS, and we have a right to let them know it sucks ass.Comment
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I'm quoting the exact portion of the TOS that has been posted above:
It says you can send a request to reestablish your previous commission rates, which seems to me as they are willing to work with you on this matter. Which is probably more than most companies out there are willing to do. So, do we even know if this guy contacted them to try and work things out?7.2Dormant Affiliate Rate Adjustment. You acknowledge and agree that if the Company's records indicate that no new referrals have been credited to Your account for a period of one hundred and eighty (180) days, then regardless of the rate of commission or other compensation previously paid to You for referrals, Company shall have the option, but not the obligation, to unilaterally change the rate of commission for payment for referrals to a "Dormant Affiliate Rate". Currently the Dormant Affiliate Rate is five percent (5%). Company may at its sole discretion change the Dormant Affiliate Rate at any time and/or change the Dormant Affiliate Rate applicable to one or more specific Affiliate Program participants at any time. You further acknowledge and agree that, without limiting Company's other termination options, Company also expressly reserves the right to terminate Your participation in any and all of Company's Programs if You fail to provide any referrals for a period of one hundred and eighty (180) days. If Your account commission rate has been changed to a Dormant Affiliate Rate and You wish to reestablish a previous commission rate or otherwise change Your commission rate, You may request such change by contacting the Company at [email protected]. You acknowledge and agree that the Company shall not at any time have any obligation to grant Your request and that the granting of such requests are at the sole discretion of the Company.
You're still getting 5% for doing absolutely nothing anymore at the point of 180 days. Seriously, who can't send one referral in 6 months? If I quit my job, they don't just keep sending me paychecks. After seeing what other sponsors have done as of late, this seems more than fair.
As I said before, Video Secrets is the only cam company I would recommend. I've been paid on time, every time. The affiliate reps are actually good at what they do and are willing to help. They convert well and the white labels get more serps than any other I've used.
Personally, they are the cam company for me.(ICQ - 664784872)Comment
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well i am trying VS and will be giving you an update as i got... but i have to say, if you can't convert 1 sale in 180 days you need to find a new gigComment
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Wow so OK then according to you with my Rev Share program I can stop paying all webmasters if they don't send a sale in 180 days. Fucking A you just made me some cash, so listen up all programs out there, on Rev Share you only need to pay for 180 days!
And yes he reached out to them more times then a reasonable person would.Comment
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Your missing the point why is this so hard to understand, say you send them a shit load of sales, life is good.
Then maybe your try another cam site that is converting better for you or maybe a different niche, why should you lose all of your re-bills?
What if Brazzers, Bang Bros, Naughty America, Etc did this...
Do you understand now?
Hell if people are OK with this then fuck it I need to do the same with my program!Comment
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John let me put it this way, you are sending sales now to them, you make some sales you have a good re-bill base going.
Then your conversions go bad, maybe your surfers are just used to the same old ads that you have up you need to switch things up to a new sponsor.
But you can't because then you lose all those sales that you worked hard for, it's a catch22 pure bullshit!Comment
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What I understand is that you are silly. If I find a better cam sponsor I just replicate what I have now for that sponsor, hence I will be making money with both... or all of them.
I don't use Brazzers or Bang Bros thank you. That tired content is strewn around the net like used condoms. Just how many more boring scenes we gonna see on a desk or in a doctor's office?
I like your content though MP.Comment
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Anyone who promotes VS deserves what they get. Apparently not everyone remembers them not paying rebills at all if traffic was stopped. They changed that policy only because of the huge uproar on GFY.I like pie.Comment
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Here's the way I see it, and I'm not saying I'm right, it's just my opinion.
If dropping an affiliate's commission who no longer promotes the program to 5% keeps the doors of the sponsor open for affiliates who are still hard at work promoting their program, then I'm okay with that.
I've seen what sponsors have done here lately, and apparently, for longer than I know of (being new in adult). They just shut their doors taking all of the affiliate money, even those still working hard for them, and they don't give one single shit about doing it.
So, if you cutting an affiliate's commission who hasn't sent you sales in 6 months help you keep your doors open to those still working hard for you, yes, do it, and use that cash to keep the program open.(ICQ - 664784872)Comment
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I thought you still got 5%. And it only drops to that if you don't convert a sale in 180 days? I am going to give it a go here. Here interface is nice, whitelabel was simple to set up... and it doesn't look like all the LJ and streammate clones on every other site out there...
Call me crazy.Comment
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Even if you can't make that sale, and who knows, maybe there is some reason that your promotions just went to hell for 6 months, make an account and buy a few credits yourself, or have family or friends help out and spend $20 bucks or whatever to keep your whale's money rolling in.(ICQ - 664784872)Comment
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The point is with every program out there you don't need to do this, only one stoops this low, one should never even have to resort to that kind of reasoning of having a friend do a fake sale to keep YOUR re-bills active.
It's your fucking sale you sent it, with out that they have shit, it's yours, just because you stop sending traffic does not mean then can ass rape you.Comment
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If you can update this thread 6 months from now.
That would be excellent!Comment
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umm..ok, since you're a little dense, lets put this in perspective
it's a PAY CUT.
You do the same work, like you obviously did at mc donalds, day in and day out
Now people stop buying apple pies with their order. They're sick of apple pies.
You're still selling fries though, cause you remember to say "would you like fries with that sir"
But since you have no new apple pie conversions, your manager (the 15 yr old with the iq twice yours, but still under room temperature) tells you they're going to cut your salary by 20%.
But hey, you're still making money right?
Let me tell you how someone that makes money looks at it.
I'm not making 5%, I'm losing 45%, because I value my traffic and won't send it to a sponsor that's not willing to pony up at least half.
Let me know if ya don't understand, I'll come over with a hammer and fix whatever it is wrong with your head.Comment
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Video Secrets has been around longer than any other cam company in the business, Over 15 year now, we may not be the biggest, but I can guarantee you that if you need help, it will be there. I answer all emails before lunch and have been known to answer on weekends. From the couch watching Nascar with a beer in my hand, yes. But they were answered. Both Matt and I believe in what we do, we're involved in the day to day running of the company. We have a great customer support 24/7 for the members you refer and over 5000 active models that when they apply themselves, make great money. Our models, I can't say enough about them, we recently had a model summit where a lot of our models came to California from all over the world to meet and learn from each other. I have a secret crush on a couple of them, they are exactly what flirt4free is about, they are all a bunch of flirts.
Video Secrets is growing, since I've been here, I've seen more than a few new faces and we've taken on a new project that has me learning mainstream marketing. Our Programming department is second to none as everything is programed in-house, look for new webmaster tools coming out very soon.
We do things a little different, we spend a lot of money on purchasing traffic to ensure our models rooms have members in them, this makes for a better experience for our models , models making money means that the members are spending, better payouts for affiliates.
We also run our Promo days where we spend a lot of money giving away heavily discounted credits to the members you referred that haven't been spending anything yet, this gets them use to the idea of buying credits and has worked out very well for us, our promo days promotions are the busiest days on flirt4free.
Ever clicked on a Iframe and see where the model is offline? Not ours, Our Iframes go straight to the models rooms and are updated every 180 seconds, they are also filtered to use the top converting models that are online first and filter out the crowded rooms so that a surfer you send us doesn't get drowned out by all the people and going somewhere else. Ask me how and I'll show you how to use Iframes to go to the performers rooms on your White Label, never leaving your branding.
Ever get an affiliate rep that didn't know anything about building a website? I've been doing it for over 9 years. I've built every kind of website there is and I'm here to help those that can't figure out why something isn't working right on their site.
End result, if you have a question, call me, skype me, ICQ me, email me, you'll get a direct answer, if nothing else, I think anyone that has ever read my posts, knows I don't really have a filter, but I'm workiing on it.
Easy email to remember [email protected]Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Damn, Vend is starting to sound like Tam.I like pie.Comment
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Theers no more money in porn - I got the last of it.Comment
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