Bin laden firefight fairytale

[SmokeyTheBear]

"the commandos encountered gunshots from only one man, whom they quickly killed, before sweeping the house and shooting others, who were unarmed"

, a senior defense official said in the latest account.


far cry from the blazing firefight described at first , with muslims tossing women in front of bin laden to protect him like pillows while osama fights to the bitter end guns blazing.

so basically in a nutshell one guy managed to pop off a couple shots and everyone else was unarmed they just killed .. lol just a tad different


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110505/...s/us_bin_laden

[u-Bob]

and the story will keep on changing....

[SmokeyTheBear]

next we will hear the dna test was a coin toss and the facial recognition was confirmed by a vic-20

[Minte]

Who is it you are angry with? Obama or the Seal team.

[nation-x]

All is fair in love and war... my opinion is that alot of people are talking just to get media attention and don't necessarily know what they are talking about. The great majority of what we are hearing are third person accounts and rumor mill accounts.

[theking]

Originally Posted by nation-x

All is fair in love and war... my opinion is that alot of people are talking just to get media attention and don't necessarily know what they are talking about. The great majority of what we are hearing are third person accounts and rumor mill accounts.

You are correct...it is all being reported as my sources tell me this and my sources tell me that...and usually without identifying the sources...and the source could very well be the janitor in the building. None the less that type of reporting is to be taken with a grain of salt.

We will probably never know the truth and nothing but the truth even if it comes from the mouths of members of the SEAL team...because each individual has his own perceptions of events.

[JustDaveXxx]

They should have executed the whole house. Then there would only be one version of the story.


I dont feel sorry for anybody who got shot, got killed or saw someone get killed or shot. You hang around with someone like OBL who brags about killing American women and children of 911, you deserve bad shit to happen to you. That means watching your kids, mothers, friends, etc getting executed by SEAL team SIX, so be it.


The people that died in the Twin Towers were not afforded any mercy, why should we do the same? These guys play by some set of fucked up rules, we need to play by the same set.


The woman shot in the leg, should have been shot in the head. You hang with a death dealer like OBL, you deserve to be shot.

[NaughtyRob]

At least he's gone. End of story. Period.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I dont feel sorry for anybody who got shot, got killed or saw someone get killed or shot. You hang around with someone like OBL who brags about killing American women and children of 911, you deserve bad shit to happen to you.

Not taking up for the guy here but technically he actually denied any involvement in 9/11 as well as never indicted for it nor put on any wanted list for it. So him "bragging killing American women and children of 911" is blown way out of proportion. He was wanted in connection to other involvements none of which were 9/11.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

At least he's gone. End of story. Period.

yes that's right

[Contempt]

it's something to think about

[Viewfinder]

The SEALs seem to have targeted all the men in the compound, armed or not, probably to get them out of the way quickly. The one woman that was killed was probably hit accidentally, or because she rushed them, like the one upstairs did.

[Kiopa_Matt]

[dyna mo]

who do you think updated the info? it's all coming from one source, the white house, it's not like some genius reporter dug up some sort of cover up. expect more changes/updates. jeez

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

They should have executed the whole house. Then there would only be one version of the story.


I dont feel sorry for anybody who got shot, got killed or saw someone get killed or shot. You hang around with someone like OBL who brags about killing American women and children of 911, you deserve bad shit to happen to you. That means watching your kids, mothers, friends, etc getting executed by SEAL team SIX, so be it.


The people that died in the Twin Towers were not afforded any mercy, why should we do the same? These guys play by some set of fucked up rules, we need to play by the same set.


The woman shot in the leg, should have been shot in the head. You hang with a death dealer like OBL, you deserve to be shot.

Wait so you're okay with someone coming in and killing everyone in your family? Because you just bragged about killing the people in that house, humans just like you and innocent ones at that and according to you anyone who is in the same house as someone who brags about killing innocent people deserves that...right?

[marlboroack]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Wow cool

[Martin]

[will76]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

so basically in a nutshell

you are just a nut. Why don't you give it a rest, you hate the US. We get it already. no one fucking cares.

[Coup]

Lies Are Truth

[mynameisjim]

I won't take sides here but please consider a few things.

1) We were all informed about this mission a few hours after it actually happened. As with any breaking story, the first details are not always accurate, the SEALS had not even been properly debriefed while everyone was already hearing the news. So everything was preliminary and some people giving details were not even authorized to do so.

2) The operation had a HUGE risk of going to shit. When you are landing a few helicopters and a few dozen SEALS a mile away from Pakistan's largest military base, you need to get in and get out quick. As soon as they encountered resistance, I assume it was weapons free. Not to mention, the terrorists use suicide attacks as their number one tactic. How did the SEALS know if the house might have been wired with explosives or not in case of a raid? You can't let people run around the house, you have to neutralize all threats as soon as you encounter gunfire.

They could not have risked failure at any cost. Imagine if SEALS were injured and held hostage if the mission failed. It would be a huge international embarrassment. Imagine Osama Bin Laden capturing a Navy SEAL, his power would suddenly skyrocket and his organization would be envigorated. So failure was not an option, therefore you have to error on the side of aggression.

Also, they didn't kill everyone. Over 20 women and children were left for Pakistani forces to discover and were unharmed.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by theking

We will probably never know the truth and nothing but the truth even if it comes from the mouths of members of the SEAL team...because each individual has his own perceptions of events.

Oye genius, we will never know the truth because there is no truth.

I am fucking amazed how gullible some of you people are.

1.if you believe the 9-11 story at face value you are a tool. 9-11 happened in order to set a series of actions in motion for years, namely control of the middle east and its resources. bin laden was allowed to make it happen, its that simple.
2.if you then believe the story of weapons of mass destruction and the reason for invading iraq, you are a tool, and with tons of hard evidence pointing a complete conspiracy to attack iraq if you have half a brain you will look back at 9-11 and start to wonder.
3.upon knowing that 1 and 2 are ficticious works of bullshit if you think somehow that this osama bin laden character was suddenly shot and killed in his summer resort home and his body conveniently dumped in the sea leaving little to no evidence whatsoever you are a tool.
4.because your weak minds have been so severely groomed to sit up and bark like a fucking dog everytime your dear old govt says so, you have been conditioned to think that any divergent thought is some crazy conspiracy theory, but if you look at the entire sequence of these events there is no way any free thinking person can take bin ladens death at face value...unless you are a complete tool.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Oye genius, we will never know the truth because there is no truth.

I am fucking amazed how gullible some of you people are.

1.if you believe the 9-11 story at face value you are a tool. 9-11 happened in order to set a series of actions in motion for years, namely control of the middle east and its resources. bin laden was allowed to make it happen, its that simple.
2.if you then believe the story of weapons of mass destruction and the reason for invading iraq, you are a tool, and with tons of hard evidence pointing a complete conspiracy to attack iraq if you have half a brain you will look back at 9-11 and start to wonder.
3.upon knowing that 1 and 2 are ficticious works of bullshit if you think somehow that this osama bin laden character was suddenly shot and killed in his summer resort home and his body conveniently dumped in the sea leaving little to no evidence whatsoever you are a tool.
4.because your weak minds have been so severely groomed to sit up and bark like a fucking dog everytime your dear old govt says so, you have been conditioned to think that any divergent thought is some crazy conspiracy theory, but if you look at the entire sequence of these events there is no way any free thinking person can take bin ladens death at face value...unless you are a complete tool.

You are in the correct location...stay there please.

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by theking

You are in the correct location...stay there please.

yup and you can remain where you are, in the tool shed.

[Vick!]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Also, they didn't kill everyone. Over 20 women and children were left for Pakistani forces to discover and were unharmed.

Over 20? I don't think so. Some was sure left, but I _think_ they were around 5-6.

And the reason they were left was one of the helicopter crashed, otherwise they would have taken them as well.

[Rochard]

I don't think people understand the concept of what a "firefight" really is. The firefight didn't end when the last shots were fired, because at the time they didn't know it was the last shots to be fired. The fire fight ends when the invading force with guns leaves. Until that moment, it's still a firefight - it was a combat situation, and they could have been shot at by the last person standing in the last room they looked in.

I've said this before on GFY - this was not our local police department trying to end the situation peacefully. This was the elite of the Navy Seals; They went in well armed into a foreign country to raid a compound with armed men. They don't walk in and say "put your weapons down" or "please". They burst into a room and put you down instantly, an if not, they are shooting you dead. There is zero room for discussion about this.

Did the story change? Depends on who's telling it. They originally described a "fierce firefight". Doesn't sound like it was "fierce", but when ever a dozen Navy Seals drop into a compound from helicopters and get shot at, well, call it what you want.

What stuns me is that we just committed an act of war - an armed military operation into a foreign country where people were shot and killed by US forces....

[buzzard]

Just the gunshots a fairytale? The whole thing is a Fable

[SomeCreep]

Marines are killing machines. Navy Seals are Marines to the power of 10. They kill...everything...they...see.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by will76

you are just a nut. Why don't you give it a rest, you hate the US. We get it already. no one fucking cares.

no shit

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by will76

you are just a nut. Why don't you give it a rest, you hate the US. We get it already. no one fucking cares.

I'd venture to say he loves the USA and wants to make it great and Free again

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by will76

you are just a nut. Why don't you give it a rest, you hate the US. We get it already. no one fucking cares.

wtf are you on about . I love america , i am american. people care , you care..

You feel the need to make me an enemy because you disagree with me will .. the fact is i love america and what america stands for , if you disagree with me then you hate that fact or you would have the balls to say you agree

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Did the story change? Depends on who's telling it.

cmon now , thats a crock.. did we or did we not hear on most news agencies that a woman was thrown in front of bin laden ? true or not true ? we now hear that was completely fabricated...

did we or did we not hear bin laden was armed on most news agencies ? now we hear only one guy was armed and 20 unarmed killed or captured and bin laden was not armed at all.

who writes this stuff..

[Kiopa_Matt]

I don't know, it seems a bit fabricated to me. Just saying, "Pakistani authorities, in conjunction with the US military conducted a raid yesterday, and captured Osama bin Laden who now awaits trial" doesn't really give you that, "USA! USA! USA!" feeling.

Now, Navy SEALs Team Six conducting a highly-sensitive and secretive raid in the dead of night, right beside a large Pakistani military compound, with Pakistan having no knowledge, and the SEALs being in and out within 40 mins... Hoo-Yaa! "USA! USA! USA!"

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by will76

no one fucking cares.

I care. Is that bad.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by will76

you hate the US. We get it already. no one fucking cares.

btw will i think you should seriously sit down for a second and think about what you said and what you responded to... the government lied to me, lied to you , treated us as morons.. and when i point out the fact the gov treated you like a sheep , your response is that i must hate america.. Is this about owning harmon or is it just a personal bias on this situation. ?

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

The people that died in the Twin Towers were not afforded any mercy, why should we do the same? These guys play by some set of fucked up rules, we need to play by the same set.

i for one AGREE!
why the FUCK aren't we out there massacring civilians with no mercy?
I'm with this patriot here, man!
balls out!

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Poindexterity

i for one AGREE!
why the FUCK aren't we out there massacring civilians with no mercy?
I'm with this patriot here, man!
balls out!

right on brother if i catch some guy fucking my dog , i will fuck his dog AND his cat. Some jeffrey dahmer motherfucker starts eating people , we will eat his whole family.. and all his co-workers too , lazy motherfuckers should have known better.

[seeandsee]

they killed some people in some house, there was no osama there

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

cmon now , thats a crock.. did we or did we not hear on most news agencies that a woman was thrown in front of bin laden ? true or not true ? we now hear that was completely fabricated...

did we or did we not hear bin laden was armed on most news agencies ? now we hear only one guy was armed and 20 unarmed killed or captured and bin laden was not armed at all.

who writes this stuff..

Yes, we have heard a bunch of conflicting stories. But it's like playing telephone when you kids - One person whispers into another person's ear, and so on down the line, until the original statement is completely lost.

In this case..... This happened in a foreign country by a group of Navy Seals. The only ones who know exactly what happened was the Navy Seals. Then you have the President, Hillary, and perhaps the JCS who briefed a press secretary. The JCS might have even seen a live video feed, but that still doesn't really give the full picture. So you have the press secretary, who wasn't there and hasn't even spoken to the Navy Seal team who was there, trying to brief the press about an event that took place half way around the globe when the truth is all he has is a few details.

Then you have to factor in how people describe things. I'm a former US Marine; I describe a "fierce firefight" as something completely different than the average pornographer on GFY or even a press secretary.

But what... Then you have the press putting their own spin on it.

No wonder why so many people wear so tin foil hats. As events unfold we don't have all of the correct information, things get reported incorrectly, and then when people question and focus on mistakes made when discussing this with press it gets out of hand.

This was a combat situation with the most highly trained US force. They invaded a foreign country, next to a well armed military school, shots where fired in the pitch black, Four or five people were shot down, and helicopter was down... Sounds pretty fucking intense to me.

[potter]

Everyone in that house knew who they were with. They knew hoe dangerous it was. If you don't want to live in a house that might get raided, don't want to live in a house where seals might barge through the door with weapons drawn, don't want to live in a house where a bomb might fall through the cieling at any second, or just don't want to be in a house where you're in constant danger of dying.

.... Don't live in a house with the head of the biggest terrorist network in the world.

I dunno man, pretty simple logic to live by.

[Paul Markham]

Seals, SAS, and all the special ops guys throw in stun grenades before entering a room.

They used to throw in an ordinary grenade and then spray the room. The technique has become more sophisticated.

If Osama had been captured the terrorism that it would of involved by radicals hoping to get him free would of made the early plane hijackings look like child's play.

Then all the other hater would of been screaming "Why wasn't he killed in the raid?"

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

"the commandos encountered gunshots from only one man, whom they quickly killed, before sweeping the house and shooting others, who were unarmed"

, a senior defense official said in the latest account.


far cry from the blazing firefight described at first , with muslims tossing women in front of bin laden to protect him like pillows while osama fights to the bitter end guns blazing.

so basically in a nutshell one guy managed to pop off a couple shots and everyone else was unarmed they just killed .. lol just a tad different


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110505/...s/us_bin_laden

Who cares? I don't care if bin Laden was wearing women's underwear, drinking a margarita, and jerking off. The SEALS got the biggest terrorist in the world.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Who cares?

everyone who posted in this thread including yourself . do you really not care your gov makes shit up , completely fabricates a story, lies..? i understand wanting bin laden dead , but shouldn't it disturb you a tiny bit the gov thinks you are a sheep that doesn't deserve the truth ? wouldn't it perhaps make you question other things the gov has told you just a tiny bit ?

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The SEALS got the biggest terrorist in the world.

guess that depends on how you look at it.. certainly not the most prolific

[2intense]

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If Osama had been captured the terrorism that it would of involved by radicals hoping to get him free would of made the early plane hijackings look like child's play.

like they did for all the guantanamo detainees ? oh wait , that never happened..

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yes, we have heard a bunch of conflicting stories. But it's like playing telephone when you kids -

yes it does seem like that , only the "kids" are our elected officials and the telephone is a well prepared statement by people trained to do this..

Originally Posted by Rochard

This happened in a foreign country by a group of Navy Seals. The only ones who know exactly what happened was the Navy Seals.

so your suggesting the gov prepared statements to the country based on completely fabricated events without actually knowing what happened ? and you are ok with that ?

Originally Posted by Rochard

They invaded a foreign country, next to a well armed military school, shots where fired in the pitch black, Four or five people were shot down, and helicopter was down... Sounds pretty fucking intense to me.

not sure if you missed the article.. only one guy had a gun , they killed him right off the bat..

[Barefootsies]

You Republican/Conservatives/Klansmen really need to move on with your lives.

I am sure we could sit here endlessly ripping apart every 'fairytale' Bush told. Starting with the one that had gotten us into Iraq in the first fucking place. It's done. Osama dead, Obama gave the order, get over it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

yes it does seem like that , only the "kids" are our elected officials and the telephone is a well prepared statement by people trained to do this..

They released as much information as they had at the time. And again, the Seals were sitting on an aircraft carrier at sea half a globe away. If they sat on the information, they would have been blasted for "concealing" information.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

so your suggesting the gov prepared statements to the country based on completely fabricated events without actually knowing what happened ? and you are ok with that ?

Your thinking that someone lied, and that they lied intentionally. As the original details came it they didn't have all of the information, and went with that they have. They called it a "fierce firefight". I'll say it again - the most elite team in the world flew into a foreign country and started a fire fight in the middle of the night where shots were fired, a helicopter was destroyed, a fortified compound with armed men was attacked, and half a dozen people killed - plus they had children involved. Sounds pretty fucking fierce to me.

As for the fact that he was unarmed, don't care. This isn't your local police with a warrant. They shot first and ask questions later. This isn't even open to discussion. Ever.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

not sure if you missed the article.. only one guy had a gun , they killed him right off the bat..

Only one person was armed with a gun, but that's not to say there wasn't other guns in the room where Bin Laden was killed. And again, it's not open to discussion. Their objective wasn't to subdue people; Their objective was to force their way into a compound and kill anyone and everyone who got in their way. They didn't knock and say "we have a warrant" and there was none of this "freeze, put your hands up" and "lay down on the ground". Some above said it already - they throw grenades into a room to kill anyone in there before entering.

It's not even something that is open to discussion.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

"the commandos encountered gunshots from only one man, whom they quickly killed, before sweeping the house and shooting others, who were unarmed"

, a senior defense official said in the latest account.


far cry from the blazing firefight described at first , with muslims tossing women in front of bin laden to protect him like pillows while osama fights to the bitter end guns blazing.

so basically in a nutshell one guy managed to pop off a couple shots and everyone else was unarmed they just killed .. lol just a tad different


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110505/...s/us_bin_laden

I would say the complete situation took maybe 15-20 seconds, then maybe 2 min looking around after and loading out. what ewere thinking, the fuckig A team or some shit?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

and the story will keep on changing....

Totally, they will use the debriefing excuse for a while, till they get all their stories air tight

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by Rochard

They released as much information as they had at the time. And again, the Seals were sitting on an aircraft carrier at sea half a globe away. If they sat on the information, they would have been blasted for "concealing" information.



Your thinking that someone lied, and that they lied intentionally. As the original details came it they didn't have all of the information, and went with that they have. They called it a "fierce firefight". I'll say it again - the most elite team in the world flew into a foreign country and started a fire fight in the middle of the night where shots were fired, a helicopter was destroyed, a fortified compound with armed men was attacked, and half a dozen people killed - plus they had children involved. Sounds pretty fucking fierce to me.

As for the fact that he was unarmed, don't care. This isn't your local police with a warrant. They shot first and ask questions later. This isn't even open to discussion. Ever.



Only one person was armed with a gun, but that's not to say there wasn't other guns in the room where Bin Laden was killed. And again, it's not open to discussion. Their objective wasn't to subdue people; Their objective was to force their way into a compound and kill anyone and everyone who got in their way. They didn't knock and say "we have a warrant" and there was none of this "freeze, put your hands up" and "lay down on the ground". Some above said it already - they throw grenades into a room to kill anyone in there before entering.

It's not even something that is open to discussion.

Not even open to discussion?

That's what people say when they know they have no ground to stand on.

Osama wasn't even a terrorist he was innocent. Everyone knows that. It's not even something that is open to discussion.

The US seal's objective was to kill Bin Laden's children and leave him alive until he resisted. They don't need to follow any rules. This isn't even open to discussion.

You can't just say stupid things and follow them with "This isn't even open to discussion" because everything is open to discussion.

Must suck to WANT to control what people say but not be able to do anything about it, doesn't it Rochard?