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Old 05-05-2011, 11:10 PM   #151
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Had we not lost a helicopter there
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Listen. Navy Seal Team Six are not police. They kill.

Use of force does not apply to them.

They show up. They do their job. They terminate the target.

The end.
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when you say "mass murderer" what exactly do you mean and how do you come to that conclusion. ?
Roughly 3000 dead sounds like a mass of murdered people to me.

And before you start going on and on and on about Bush and Obama's "crimes", keep in mind that September 11, 2001 preceded (and precipitated) all of that.
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Roughly 3000 dead sounds like a mass of murdered people to me.

And before you start going on and on and on about Bush and Obama's "crimes", keep in mind that September 11, 2001 preceded (and precipitated) all of that.
I think what he was trying to imply is there's no proof or reason to believe Bin Laden did 9/11 other than the US saying so within minutes of the attacks.
  • When the world asked for proof of this, Colin Powell went on big media TV and said a white paper would be released establishing their evidence shortly. It never came.

  • When asked by the press if the government knew who did 9/11, the administration said the proof would be produced... eventually. It never did.

  • When the Taliban offered to turn over bin Laden to US Justice, upon any evidence of bin Laden's implication, the US refused, preferring the path to war in Afghanistan over divulging any evidence they may have had of Osama's guilt.

  • When the FBI was asked point-blank about why bin Laden's online "Wanted" notice didn't mention 9/11, they said there was no proof. Bin Laden's FBI status remained unchanged for 10 years. It was updated to "deceased" within hours of the the hit on him.

  • When Bin Laden was asked multiple times, he denied involvement. This is what he said:

    "The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive."

Bin Laden never took responsibility for 9/11, despite an obtuse reference four years later in a speech which the US government declared to be an admission. It wasn't.

Nobody has claimed responsibility.

The US doesn't like having moles and spies and assassinations within its borders, and declares allegiance to the rule of law, but doesn't hold itself up to the same standards it does other sovereign states.

If bin Laden was guilty or not, the US professes they don't have the proof. They just "know". The assassination could have been vindicated by revealing links and evidence establishing guilt, and it wasn't.

The mission seemed designed to dispose of an asset, employee or agent, who had become a liability or was no longer needed.

If "the terrorists" or "Al Qaeda" or whoever you believe is the overmind of "the enemy" comes out with a statement that bin Laden is indeed dead, it won't confirm that he was actually killed Sunday or alive at the time. It will just serve as an excuse not to release any photographic evidence, and confirm the government's morphing story.

Whatever the reality, the story is a good one if it leads to withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.

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I think what he was trying to imply is there's no proof or reason to believe Bin Laden did 9/11 other than the US saying so within minutes of the attacks.
  • When the world asked for proof of this, Colin Powell went on big media TV and said a white paper would be released establishing their evidence shortly. It never came.

  • When asked by the press if the government knew who did 9/11, the administration said the proof would be produced... eventually. It never did.

  • When the Taliban offered to turn over bin Laden to US Justice, upon any evidence of bin Laden's implication, the US refused, preferring the path to war in Afghanistan over divulging any evidence they may have had of Osama's guilt.

  • When the FBI was asked point-blank about why bin Laden's online "Wanted" notice didn't mention 9/11, they said there was no proof. Bin Laden's FBI status remained unchanged for 10 years. It was updated to "deceased" within hours of the the hit on him.

  • When Bin Laden was asked multiple times, he denied involvement. This is what he said:

    "The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive."

Bin Laden never took responsibility for 9/11, despite an obtuse reference four years later in a speech which the US government declared to be an admission. It wasn't.

Nobody has claimed responsibility.

The US doesn't like having moles and spies and assassinations within its borders, and declares allegiance to the rule of law, but doesn't hold itself up to the same standards it does other sovereign states.

If bin Laden was guilty or not, the US professes they don't have the proof. They just "know". The assassination could have been vindicated by revealing links and evidence establishing guilt, and it wasn't.

The mission seemed designed to dispose of an asset, employee or agent, who had become a liability or was no longer needed.

If "the terrorists" or "Al Qaeda" or whoever you believe is the overmind of "the enemy" comes out with a statement that bin Laden is indeed dead, it won't confirm that he was actually killed Sunday or alive at the time. It will just serve as an excuse not to release any photographic evidence, and confirm the government's morphing story.

Whatever the reality, the story is a good one if it leads to withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.

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"Bin Laden was shot unarmed!"

So fucking what.
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I think what he was trying to imply is there's no proof or reason to believe Bin Laden did 9/11 other than the US saying so within minutes of the attacks.

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Excellent summary!

What surprises me is the blind trust of some people regarding their government. Call it patriotism or blanking out discrepancies out of sheer ignorance.

One would think just noticing the dishonesty in basic business, that we all either take part in or get to witness, with relatively little at stake would tip some people off.

Why would anything be different all the way to the top of the power structure?
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Excellent summary!

What surprises me is the blind trust of some people regarding their government. Call it patriotism or blanking out discrepancies out of sheer ignorance.

One would think just noticing the dishonesty in basic business, that we all either take part in or get to witness, with relatively little at stake would tip some people off.

Why would anything be different all the way to the top of the power structure?
But what choice have we got?
Do not believe anything a government says?
Believe some of it?

Just believe the parts you think make sense to you?
Espouse your opinion as fact to carry out you're own version of events?

Whats to say nothing you read in the news is true, all news is false?

Rather than be paranoid about events that have no baring on you as a person it might be healthier to just simply take what ever news as irrelevant. As most of it does not pertain to you in anyway shape or form.

The result less stress, less arguments with others that have a different opinion or ultimatley may be even misguided. It's like sports even though you are not playing nor even betting for some reason you take a side and for some reason it has relevance to your life by some demented view in thinking the outcome has some baring on you as a person. Fact is... It has none.

So when someone says another guy is dead that you never knew...
Is it really your business at all?
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Excellent summary!

What surprises me is the blind trust of some people regarding their government. Call it patriotism or blanking out discrepancies out of sheer ignorance.

One would think just noticing the dishonesty in basic business, that we all either take part in or get to witness, with relatively little at stake would tip some people off.

Why would anything be different all the way to the top of the power structure?
What surprises me is all these porn guys trusting and believing the stories of a government that has lied to us relentlessly for decades.

They lied in saying 2257 was to protect children.

They lied in saying .xxx was to protect children.

Obama got saddled with all the defence and intelligence liars from the Bush regime; people like Donald Rumsfeld lied about invading Cambodia in the 70s, then lied about WMDs, then lied about the vast cave complex bin Laden kept in Afghanistan. Rumsfeld also lied about the nerve-gas sold to his buddy Saddam Hussein to decimate the Kurds.

Now all these porn guys are backing the same two-faced scumbags when it comes to bin Laden and Al Qaeda when they're even saying they have no proof, or keep changing the story... "Just Trust Us".

It's just emotional knee-jerk reactionism; just like the Tea Party, just like the fundamentalist Christians and Muslims, their instilled belief that bin Laden is the devil cannot be unseated.


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But what choice have we got?
Do not believe anything a government says?
Believe some of it?

Just believe the parts you think make sense to you?
Espouse your opinion as fact to carry out you're own version of events?

Whats to say nothing you read in the news is true, all news is false?

Rather than be paranoid about events that have no baring on you as a person it might be healthier to just simply take what ever news as irrelevant. As most of it does not pertain to you in anyway shape or form.

The result less stress, less arguments with others that have a different opinion or ultimatley may be even misguided. It's like sports even though you are not playing nor even betting for some reason you take a side and for some reason it has relevance to your life by some demented view in thinking the outcome has some baring on you as a person. Fact is... It has none.

So when someone says another guy is dead that you never knew...
Is it really your business at all?
Actually, I first approach anything I see on mainstream media/news as lies or spin or general bullshit.

Who wins the World Cup in soccer has no bearing on my life; but when I pay more for shipping, or a loaf of fucking bread for my kids, because oil prices go up and it's because the US said Afghanistan is where we have to hunt the bad guys, because they said bin Laden blew up the WTC, then it is my business - and your business.

Trillions of dollars on these two stupid wars for oil. On the false basis that this is where bin Laden was, that Iraq had WMDs - turned out to be wrong across the board.

But your cousin's aunt's brother's father's son whatever is dead in Iraq. Why? Country's going broke, wants to cut unemployment, social security, programs that pay for themselves - why?? For bullshit excuses to go to wars that don't get results, raise unemployment, public debt, provoke more insurgent attacks, and actually raise the price of the apples at the grocer's because the truck they were on starts costing more per gallon per mile to get there?

How can you say it doesn't affect you?
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"I pay more for shipping, or a loaf of fucking bread for my kids, because oil prices go up and it's because the US said Afghanistan is where we have to hunt the bad guys, because they said bin Laden blew up the WTC, then it is my business - and your business."


No not really. Because anything can be said yet the status quo are events you have no control over.
More expensive bread? Irrelevant, more for gas? Nothing new.
Economy going to shit, so what.

There are things you can control in your life and somethings you can not.
Thats life.
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"I pay more for shipping, or a loaf of fucking bread for my kids, because oil prices go up and it's because the US said Afghanistan is where we have to hunt the bad guys, because they said bin Laden blew up the WTC, then it is my business - and your business."


No not really. Because anything can be said yet the status quo are events you have no control over.
More expensive bread? Irrelevant, more for gas? Nothing new.
Economy going to shit, so what.

There are things you can control in your life and somethings you can not.
Thats life.
In other words, shut up and go to sleep.

Don't protest, believe what Dan Rather says, and deal with it...

Starve and die. That's your place in life.

You are the Thomas Jefferson of the new millenium.
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I do not give a shit what Dan Rather says either

They say Osama dead. Cool what ever, it makes people happy cool what ever.

The people that died on 9/11 don't know the difference the families that survived may feel justice has been served.

Thats how it is.

Paranoia sucks, life is to short. Walk through life thinking everyone is out to get you and lie to you just can not be healthy for the mind.

I know what it is like.
Just goto walk it off man.

I am glad they saying Osama is dead? Sure am, thats fine with me. If they are lying so what. If what they are saying is true its just another death in the long line of deaths this world needs.

Maybe Osama was innocent, maybe he never did the 9/11 attacks, maybe he is just a made up villain, maybe he just never existed...

But I am inclined to believe some what is said true. Maybe thats just me
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Roughly 3000 dead sounds like a mass of murdered people to me.
and osama murdered these people without even being in the country ? umm no he didn't. as far as i am aware he did not murder anyone , and i havent seen he had any direct plan or knowledge of 9/11
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And before you start going on and on and on about Bush and Obama's "crimes", keep in mind that September 11, 2001 preceded (and precipitated) all of that.
if you history books start in sept 11,2001 , and you completely erase bin ladens past with the cia ,afghanistan and russia
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Listen. Navy Seal Team Six are not police. They kill.

Use of force does not apply to them.

They show up. They do their job. They terminate the target.

The end.
so they are mass murderers , no better than bin laden is what you are trying to say..
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What about that Cain killing his brother Abel?

This is part of a war that's been going on for millennium. Going back 10, 20, 30 years. Is like comparing a second to the whole day.
Your generation have fucked us to Hell.
You believe everything the 3 networks tell you. It's insane.
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The thousands of people that died because of the various attacks planned by this fucker and his friends we're not armed also...
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You fucks..... glad he was un armed then he felt that much more helpless as our seals blasted his ass to smitherenes ....

in fact they should have held him down while we sodomized his wife and kids with guns then killed them then killed him....


you fucks have no idea about anything at all....

Navy Seals don't take prisoners .... they just don't ... if you got seals knocking at your door chances are your not walking out of there under your own power.... I can remember one time that seals took someone that was Noreiga....

the order was eliminate the HVT threat.... that means by any means you take away that High Value Target....

bottom line is you can't take an alive osama home to show mom and dad.... you'd have every little wanna be maryter waiting at your door everyday... talk about a prison break out... you'd see it.....

I say good for USA and Obama if osama is really dead LOL
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You fucks..... glad he was un armed then he felt that much more helpless as our seals blasted his ass to smitherenes ....

in fact they should have held him down while we sodomized his wife and kids with guns then killed them then killed him....


you fucks have no idea about anything at all....

Navy Seals don't take prisoners .... they just don't ... if you got seals knocking at your door chances are your not walking out of there under your own power.... I can remember one time that seals took someone that was Noreiga....

the order was eliminate the HVT threat.... that means by any means you take away that High Value Target....

bottom line is you can't take an alive osama home to show mom and dad.... you'd have every little wanna be maryter waiting at your door everyday... talk about a prison break out... you'd see it.....

I say good for USA and Obama if osama is really dead LOL
Yeah, but really, what makes you think Osama did the deed?

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Yeah, but really, what makes you think Osama did the deed?

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what do you mean... im confused are you talking about obama doing the deed of killing or osama doing the deed of 9/11

I'll answer both just in case


Obama = weather he did or not he's the commander and chief as much as I hate him as FMR military respect the chain of command

Osama = He took credit for it thats good enough for me to kill him... look nothing is fair is love and war..... women kill us men and we kill on the battlefield.....


I love the fact that he heard an american voice giving commands before he died.....

big semper fi and ohh raaaaaaa motherfuckers......
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what do you mean... im confused are you talking about obama doing the deed of killing or osama doing the deed of 9/11

I'll answer both just in case


Obama = weather he did or not he's the commander and chief as much as I hate him as FMR military respect the chain of command

Osama = He took credit for it thats good enough for me to kill him... look nothing is fair is love and war..... women kill us men and we kill on the battlefield.....


I love the fact that he heard an american voice giving commands before he died.....

big semper fi and ohh raaaaaaa motherfuckers......
I'm talking about the fact Osama bin Laden never took credit for 9/11 - and denied he did it as well. http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

And as far as we know, he didn't even start al Qaeda: http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html

Just saying that all this blood lust and patriotic fervor is based on baseless statements from the US government.

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I'm talking about the fact Osama bin Laden never took credit for 9/11 - and denied he did it as well. http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

And as far as we know, he didn't even start al Qaeda: http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html

Just saying that all this blood lust and patriotic fervor is based on baseless statements from the US government.

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You fucks..... glad he was un armed then he felt that much more helpless as our seals blasted his ass to smitherenes ....

in fact they should have held him down while we sodomized his wife and kids with guns then killed them then killed him....


you fucks have no idea about anything at all....

Navy Seals don't take prisoners .... they just don't ... if you got seals knocking at your door chances are your not walking out of there under your own power.... I can remember one time that seals took someone that was Noreiga....

the order was eliminate the HVT threat.... that means by any means you take away that High Value Target....

bottom line is you can't take an alive osama home to show mom and dad.... you'd have every little wanna be maryter waiting at your door everyday... talk about a prison break out... you'd see it.....

I say good for USA and Obama if osama is really dead LOL
I say you deserve the same fate for supporting the rape of children.

Now that's a LOL.
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How... articulate. Take it you quaff of the government kool-aid, even if they're the ones behind 2257, .xxx etc. etc. ....

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Old 05-07-2011, 10:39 AM   #178
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there sure are a lot of brain washed sheep

i get it though...it is a lot easier to drink kool-aid then it is to face the fact that we have all been lied to.
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Don't be mad.

Just saying if you do not believe in all this stuff and its all fake...
Why don't you do something about it?

Like I said earlier, why would you care whats true and whats false?

I would love to see where conspiracy experts get there information. Seriously you are talking about News networks that run 24-7 an incredible show loaded with all fake news, video edits requiring some very high tech efforts which would require some serious spin doctoring and incredible writing to keep consistant with the days events for an ongoing story that has spanned the last 100 years.

You might think 9/11 was an inside job but it was all just fan fair and a staged effort by the US government?
Obama and all Presidents of the USA would be the best actors in the world.
Osama lives? Osama never exhisted? Osama was dead years ago?

Tin Foil Hats I guess just no longer fit me so people like you are highly amusing.
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Old 05-07-2011, 11:27 AM   #180
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Your generation have fucked us to Hell.
You believe everything the 3 networks tell you. It's insane.
What exactly does this mean? When I grew up, we had three networks - ABC, CBS, and NBC. (We also had PBS, but no one ever took them seriously unless were four and was hooked on Sesame Street.) Today I have 900 channels being pumped into my home via cable TV; I have 24 hour news. Of course, on line I have access to a unlimited amount of information - Oddly enough, I've discovered that CNN doesn't have a live feed online, but that Al Jazeera does... and it's not nearly as biased as I imagined it to be.

I think our government is more honest today then it was twenty years ago. Now there is a much higher chance of getting caught, and a much higher chance of being removed from the Oval Office if you get caught.
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Old 05-07-2011, 01:24 PM   #181
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in fact they should have held him down while we sodomized his wife and kids with guns then killed them then killed him....
thats a pretty sad , so you condone sodomizing children under certain circumstances ?

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you fucks have no idea about anything at all....
not logical.. if someone has no idea about anything , then they have an idea about not knowing anything...
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Navy Seals don't take prisoners .... they just don't ... if you got seals knocking at your door chances are your not walking out of there under your own power.... I can remember one time that seals took someone that was Noreiga....
hitlers gas chambers didn't take prisoners either doesn't mean the nazi's are ultra cool heroes , it means they were a bunch of pricks who took orders from an even bigger dick ..
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I want to thank SmokeyTheBear and MediaGuy for providing me with about 25 minutes of comedy gold. Seriously, you guys need to do stand up...keep on posting and keep the hilarity coming.
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it should have taken 5 minutes , ten if you have been in high impact car accident , 15 for a mildly retarded chimp
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it should have taken 5 minutes , ten if you have been in high impact car accident , 15 for a mildly retarded chimp
I have a bad habit of fully digesting what i consume.
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who cares he was unarmed, just finish the bastard
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If you don't want your 12 year old daughter to see her father get his head blown off then it's probably quite a good idea if afore mentioned father didn't plan and finance the mass murder of several thousand people, whose own children came back from school that day and NEVER saw their parents again. There's a few thousand kids dying every day in Africa largely due to wars revolving around crazy religious nutcases. Sorry, lifes a bitch but anyone trying to make a case against what happened to that Bin Laden cunt "for the sake of his daughter" needs to be looked at by the security services.

I would congratulate the Americans on what appears to have been a flawless operation, the sea burial and subsequent decision to NOT release photos also seem to be well thought through and the correct decisions.
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Well if anyone was gonna come back from the afterlife a true martyr it would have been Bin Laden !! Bin a week nearly now ! Anyone been spooked ? Makes you wonder if something like this happened 2011 years ago What would people make of it !
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I want to thank SmokeyTheBear and MediaGuy for providing me with about 25 minutes of comedy gold. Seriously, you guys need to do stand up...keep on posting and keep the hilarity coming.
25 minutes? You read slow... and you don't even read do you? I mean, I posted facts. verifiable - about who claimed responsibilit for 9/11 (nobody) etc...

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If you don't want your 12 year old daughter to see her father get his head blown off then it's probably quite a good idea if afore mentioned father didn't plan and finance the mass murder of several thousand people, whose own children came back from school that day and NEVER saw their parents again. There's a few thousand kids dying every day in Africa largely due to wars revolving around crazy religious nutcases. Sorry, lifes a bitch but anyone trying to make a case against what happened to that Bin Laden cunt "for the sake of his daughter" needs to be looked at by the security services.

I would congratulate the Americans on what appears to have been a flawless operation, the sea burial and subsequent decision to NOT release photos also seem to be well thought through and the correct decisions.
And your basis for taking for granted that bin Laden went ahead to "plan and finance the mass murder of several thousand people" is what?

I mean, really - think before you post.

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And your basis for taking for granted that bin Laden went ahead to "plan and finance the mass murder of several thousand people" is what?

I mean, really - think before you post.

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Shit, you got me there. Oh well Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 has nothing to do with Al Quaeda. MediaGuy seems to know who does, so in here CIA
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Shit, you got me there. Oh well Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 has nothing to do with Al Quaeda. MediaGuy seems to know who does, so in here CIA
I posted some info - did you read it? Did I say bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 or "al Qaeda"? No.

So in here some informed reply.

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"I mean, really - think before you post."

It's not good business practise to post like that, on a forum where you're exposing yourself to all your potential clients.
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I posted some info - did you read it? Did I say bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 or "al Qaeda"? No.

So in here some informed reply.

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I haven't read any of your threads in this post, I posted my opinion, if you want to troll, go ahead. I don't come here to sell, you do, not looking good for you.
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I haven't read any of your threads in this post, I posted my opinion, if you want to troll, go ahead. I don't come here to sell, you do, not looking good for you.
You think I post opinions and facts as a benefit/ploy for whoever I work for? GFY!

I think most people are completely blind rabbits who don't think about what they type, and replies to my "threads in this post" prove it.

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For sure I would not be parting with ANY money never mind $6000 for webcam software/program from a business that has the avatar they do and the attitude they do.
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You think I post opinions and facts as a benefit/ploy for whoever I work for? GFY!

I think most people are completely blind rabbits who don't think about what they type, and replies to my "threads in this post" prove it.

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Are you on drugs ? That makes no sense.
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You think I post opinions and facts as a benefit/ploy for whoever I work for? GFY!

I think most people are completely blind rabbits who don't think about what they type, and replies to my "threads in this post" prove it.

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Ahhhh I think I got it That's cool, do what you want ! But those people who you think are "blind rabbits" and "don't think what they type" are not likely to hand over $6000 to you and as you think that's "most people" I wish you well in your business.
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I think what he was trying to imply is there's no proof or reason to believe Bin Laden did 9/11 other than the US saying so within minutes of the attacks.
  • When the world asked for proof of this, Colin Powell went on big media TV and said a white paper would be released establishing their evidence shortly. It never came.

  • When asked by the press if the government knew who did 9/11, the administration said the proof would be produced... eventually. It never did.

  • When the Taliban offered to turn over bin Laden to US Justice, upon any evidence of bin Laden's implication, the US refused, preferring the path to war in Afghanistan over divulging any evidence they may have had of Osama's guilt.

  • When the FBI was asked point-blank about why bin Laden's online "Wanted" notice didn't mention 9/11, they said there was no proof. Bin Laden's FBI status remained unchanged for 10 years. It was updated to "deceased" within hours of the the hit on him.

  • When Bin Laden was asked multiple times, he denied involvement. This is what he said:

    "The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive."

Bin Laden never took responsibility for 9/11, despite an obtuse reference four years later in a speech which the US government declared to be an admission. It wasn't.

Nobody has claimed responsibility.

The US doesn't like having moles and spies and assassinations within its borders, and declares allegiance to the rule of law, but doesn't hold itself up to the same standards it does other sovereign states.

If bin Laden was guilty or not, the US professes they don't have the proof. They just "know". The assassination could have been vindicated by revealing links and evidence establishing guilt, and it wasn't.

The mission seemed designed to dispose of an asset, employee or agent, who had become a liability or was no longer needed.

If "the terrorists" or "Al Qaeda" or whoever you believe is the overmind of "the enemy" comes out with a statement that bin Laden is indeed dead, it won't confirm that he was actually killed Sunday or alive at the time. It will just serve as an excuse not to release any photographic evidence, and confirm the government's morphing story.

Whatever the reality, the story is a good one if it leads to withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.

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I guess Bin Laden has never been responsible for anything, ever.
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I posted facts. verifiable - about who claimed responsibilit for 9/11 (nobody) etc...
"God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers, but after the situation became unbearable?and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon?I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed?when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way: to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women."

? Osama bin Laden, 2004


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...-document-3682

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For sure I would not be parting with ANY money never mind $6000 for webcam software/program from a business that has the avatar they do and the attitude they do.
you post on a board called "GoFuckYourself" and you have a thing against my avatar? lol And I don't think my attitude was anything but respectful until the "rabbits" reference to people who don't think...

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Are you on drugs ? That makes no sense.
I was quoting the statement to make a point.


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Ahhhh I think I got it That's cool, do what you want ! But those people who you think are "blind rabbits" and "don't think what they type" are not likely to hand over $6000 to you and as you think that's "most people" I wish you well in your business.
Yeah I admit that was harsh and most people are subject to their beliefs - as I am. I'm just frustrated with all this Osama-9/11 coverage which I conclude is mostly bullshit. But I guess that's my "belief".

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I guess Bin Laden has never been responsible for anything, ever.
I never said that, ever. Just that he didn't claim responsibility for 9/11.

If you were responsible for that, wouldn't you claim it?

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No problem, the guys at 2muchmedia believe that Osama Bin Laden "Just that he didn't claim responsibility for 9/11" and also:
"the US doesn't like having moles and spies and assassinations within its borders, and declares allegiance to the rule of law, but doesn't hold itself up to the same standards it does other sovereign states."

2 muchmedia support the innocence of Bin Laden (it seems)
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