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CrkMStanz

So if this is allowed to stand as a valid undeniable defense

cyber crime becomes the perfect crime - only the very stupid will ever get arrested -any criminal (or operation) just needs to have an obvious wi-fi router by the door (fully operational) and when the cops come knockin' they just point at it and say "have a good day officer" and close the door.

really giddyboy?

you really want that??

I'm not saying that it needs to be the only reason that the cops / court needs

I do think that it needs to be INSTANT justification for an investigation, including search warrants, wire taps, other surveilance - whatever is necessary and equal to the alleged crime.

otherwise the cp guys can never be caught - just do their thing on a wireless and there you go - instant defense (because any evidence found after that is inadmissable)

the credit card frauders need only use the neighbours wireless and they are instantly scott-free

forget the nigerian spammers/scammers - just wait til the American wannabe's are given a free pass via the "i didn't do it' defense

and on and on and on

everything you spout in every thread, points to a 'everything is 'free' on the internet simply to keep the 'traffic' up so the scammers have a huge flock of sheep to shear and are untouchable because of the 'I have an unsecured wireless' defense.



I say fuck that - there has to be a stop-point for the law to step in.


or maybe you are just an anarchist - in that case I have truely wasted a LOT of time debating with you

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gideongallery

did you even read the article

even in the CP case they ultimately found the next door neighbour who was actually downloading the CP.

the same techniques they used after they realized their mistake could have been used BEFORE they broke down the door

that all we are talking about

rather than violating the principle of being innocent until proven guilty

actually get the proof first.

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Tempest

Really? Not one of the judge's reasons would become invalid with IPv6.

Barefootsies

My IPv6 point had nothing to do with the judge or this case.

Read up on IPv6 and the differences in the current system and the new. Specifically in regards to tracking and security. Once you have a firm understanding, THEN we'll talk.

Thanks champ.

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Tempest

Yeah... IPv6 will solve the problem if other people in the house, visitors etc using the connection...

gideongallery

bF he is right once an IPv6 address is NATed all the private address behind the firewall will simply look like the one IPv6 address that is publically assigned to the gateway.

unless they legislate IPv6 to MAC bind and even then you would still have to spend the money to track down the MAC address via valid investigation techniques before you could get the identity of the people in question.

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