Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Whether people realise it or not, the whole issue is about whether you're born gay or if it's a so-called "sexual preference" (a simple choice). They are the pro and con sides.

On the one hand, if it's a simple choice, then it's never a hate crime, and it's never disciminatory, and there's never an equality issue.

On the other hand, it you're born gay (like you're born a color), then it's a hate crime, it's discrimination and they are forced to live an oppressed life without the rights guaranteed by their country to equals.

This is the keystone of the entire issue whenever there's a perceived civil rights issue about homosexuals.

There's been 2 issues in the national news recently that brought it to mind. The beating of the transgender girl in mcdonalds and subsequent question of hate crime or not, and a bill in tennessee to ban mentioning homosexuality in sex education classes (author of the bill says, predictably, "why should we allow discussing someones choice?". Again, hinged on the same point.)

This is a private board of course, but I'm just saying.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Whether people realise it or not, the whole issue is about whether you're born gay or if it's a so-called "sexual preference" (a simple choice). They are the pro and con sides.

On the one hand, if it's a simple choice, then it's never a hate crime, and it's never disciminatory, and there's never an equality issue.

On the other hand, it you're born gay (like you're born a color), then it's a hate crime, it's discrimination and they are forced to live an oppressed life without the rights guaranteed by their country to equals.

This is the keystone of the entire issue whenever there's a perceived civil rights issue about homosexuals.

There's been 2 issues in the national news recently that brought it to mind. The beating of the transgender girl in mcdonalds and subsequent question of hate crime or not, and a bill in tennessee to ban mentioning homosexuality in sex education classes (author of the bill says, predictably, "why should we allow discussing someones choice?". Again, hinged on the same point.)

This is a private board of course, but I'm just saying.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Just what we need. More rules.

Originally Posted by Eric

Somewhere along the lines you guys keep missing the part where this is not a democracy.

Personal attacks are still against the rules. Such as -LOL- recent banning shows.

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I'm offended by that, call for a ban ...

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

It is called "art" me touching myself is a artform

Originally Posted by spazlabz

I know there are two schools of thought on this subject and you are illuminating both sides. Having said that in my own personal opinion it is an extremely rare case where homosexuality is a choice. I know you are not saying that it is, I just wanted to say that and to go on and say; because there are people out there claiming it is a choice and tacitly approving of violence and discrimination against the GLT community has lead to extremely high instances of suicide among gay and lesbian teens

we need to pull our collective heads out of our asses and approach this subject like grown ups ya know? As for the rules here at GFY... I humble submit to Jedi Eric

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yeah, exactly what I was trying to do because the entire anti-gay movement is hinged on their insistence that it's a choice. They have to continually forward that argument or the house of cards falls right down. They instantly start talking about crazy stuff like what if some man CHOOSES to marry his horse? Is that next? LOL

I think people are born gay just like they're born white or black, male or female.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

hate crimes are the latest invention of liberal dopes.
If I beat the shit out of you, I definitely was hating on you. doesn't matter whether you're black, gay, or Eric.
That said, there are too many good laughs to be had by making fun of people's sexual orientation or lack there of.
dick in the ass is tro much fun to crack down on.
like that? dick in the ass.........crack.
exactly.
however, I'm all for using any pretext to get rid of some of the animals here.
There's a whole world outside of your mom's basement, kids. get out and play in it.

Originally Posted by Holly Lez!

LOL and you are? I don't believe your name is Eric or that I know you so next please..

Originally Posted by Eric

Somewhere along the lines you guys keep missing the part where this is not a democracy.

Personal attacks are still against the rules. Such as -LOL- recent banning shows.

Originally Posted by Deej

Im the voice of reason...



Like I said...




Meant no offense, you sexy bitch you... I was just simply pointing out the predetermined results...

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Whether people realise it or not, the whole issue is about whether you're born gay or if it's a so-called "sexual preference" (a simple choice). They are the pro and con sides.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what about born racist? is that an option?

Originally Posted by czarina

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Holly Lez!

LOL good we need more reason on this board! I actually do think we have met before.. Maybe Miami show? or ? Anyways have a good day!

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I think the suggestion is that babies play normally and naturally together and it's only from outside that any thought of racism comes into their thinking. I dont know if anyones ever looked into the genetics of racism for example. Sounds interesting to me though being a nerd and all that.

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Thats Eric whose face I Shaded out

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

ban juicy for posting blackface images

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

Oh, bloody hell... I'm gay, and trust me, I didn't wake up in bed one morning when I was 12, and think to myself, "you know what? I think I'll be gay. That sounds like a good idea!". True story, it didn't happen.

If you're going to make an argument against gays, at least use the "environmental and nurturing factors take more precedence than genetic factors" argument. At least that's a plausible argument. This whole, "he chose to be gay" argument if fucking retarded though.

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

ban juicy for posting blackface images

Originally Posted by Sly

I would like to hear one straight guy come out and say "I sat in bed thinking one morning at the age of 8 and decided that I like women."

I like women. Nice big, soft tits. Nice round ass. Why? I haven't the slightest idea! I just do. I can't imagine a gay man is any different.

Originally Posted by Sly

Nice big, soft tits. Nice round ass. Why? I haven't the slightest idea! I just do. I can't imagine a gay man is any different.

Originally Posted by Deej

I go to PHX and I go to VEgas shows. Unfortunately I didnt make PHX this year due to unforeseen circumstances...

I do believe Id remember you and I dont think we have met

Down the road Ill keep an eye out...

Originally Posted by Achmed

Hello friends I am here to say stop being racialists

Originally Posted by Achmed

Hello friends I am here to say stop being racialists

Originally Posted by 12clicks

hello, my camel jockey friend.
did you used to go by "Gary" in a former life?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's what i was thinking too eh. it occurred to me that if a sexual orientation is genetically determined, then perhaps a racial orientation could be as well.

Originally Posted by Socks

You are officially banned as a result of your avatar attacking that poor wrestler!

Originally Posted by Eric

Somewhere along the lines you guys keep missing the part where this is not a democracy.

Personal attacks are still against the rules. Such as -LOL- recent banning shows.

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Thats Eric whose face I Shaded out

Originally Posted by WarChild

It's stupid that racist posts are banned. You never solve issues by sweeping them under the carpet. If people want to make racists posts and generally make an ass of themselves, better to let them do it and expose their self rather than force them to stay quiet and hide the fact.

Nobody finds it the least bit ironic that the leading message board for an industry that exists only because of the right to say, publish or create something others might find distasteful actively suppresses free speech?

Who gives a fuck if what somebody has to say is hateful or in poor taste? Just so long as it's not an attempt to incite violence, we shouldn't be trying to censor any speech period.

Fucking cry babies.

Originally Posted by Holly Lez!

Hey don't be jealous I fuck more chicks than you ever will

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

The difference being, you can expand your mind, and learn not to be racist. Racism is a purely mental state, same as patriotism, or love of the military, or whatever.

Regardless of how intensive of indoctrination you get put through, do you think you can be taught not to like big, juicy tits? Probably not, right?

Exactly...

Originally Posted by dyna mo

well, that's rly what it boils down to eh. i wonder. for example, those guys that live married lives, raise kids, all that, then divorce and go gay. i've seen that happen several times and wondered what the underlying motivation was for making the switch at that time in their lives.

seems to me there could be other factors besides genetic.

not unlike the aggro lesbian who temporarily (or forever for that matter) hates guys due to a guy treating her like shit.

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I am touching myself right now

Originally Posted by Sly

Do you really think they "go gay" or is it possible that they were gay the whole time and try to adapt to societal norms in order to avoid some of the opinions in this thread?