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blackmonsters · 04-09-2011, 10:01 AM

I write my own scripts for my websites and wondering if this even makes sense
anymore.

I certainly like being able to make any change I want at anytime and do things
my particular way; but whatever "new thingy" I do it seems to be only a matter
of time before something like wordpress will do the same thing.

I could get the jump on the "new thingy" by doing it myself but that only last a
few months.

So maybe the question is to webmasters who don't write their own scripts :

Q: Is it a pain in the ass to use pre-package scripts and you wish you did the
programming yourself?

One thing for sure; I'm not "saving" any money by writing my own scripts if you
factor in my labor time. NO WAY!!
Maybe I'm saving on custom work and adding a nick-nack here and there, but
that's hard to figure out.

I like knowing exactly how my sites work through and through to the smallest
detail; but is that really worth anything when compared to someone who doesn't
know how say wordpress works, but it works all they need it to anyway?

Klen · 04-09-2011, 10:06 AM

Yes i have custom trade script and thanks to it i have much more traffic then i would have with other trade script.

blackmonsters · 04-09-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Yes i have custom trade script and thanks to it i have much more traffic then i would have with other trade script.

But how do you know it's your trade script for sure?

Maybe you would do the same with a pre-packaged script.

plsureking · 04-09-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

One thing for sure; I'm not "saving" any money by writing my own scripts if you factor in my labor time. NO WAY!!

you should be working with a library of functions you've written that will do most of the standard things - data manipulation, writing/reading, calculations, etc.

if you have that, creating a new site script should be hours or days at the most.

its not always best to build instead of buy. it just depends on the scale of the project. if u intend for it to be big - with many partners and employees - then u need to build it yourself so you can customize it as the project grows. if its just a tube or tgp then dont waste your time on it.

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SpotOnTechSupport · 04-09-2011, 10:59 AM

I prefer to hand-write my own code. I build a common library of functions, then just use that library when I need something. If I need something that's not there, I just write it.

nico-t · 04-09-2011, 11:03 AM

i mostly use wordpress. You can do anything with it, without programming anything yourself. I hate programming with all my heart, and i barely can do it because of my complete lack of interest in it. So for my sites wordpress is the best invention ever.

plsureking · 04-09-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BrownLeopard

I prefer to hand-write my own code. I build a common library of functions, then just use that library when I need something. If I need something that's not there, I just write it.

welcome to gfy

blackmonsters · 04-09-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

you should be working with a library of functions you've written that will do most of the standard things - data manipulation, writing/reading, calculations, etc.

if you have that, creating a new site script should be hours or days at the most.

its not always best to build instead of buy. it just depends on the scale of the project. if u intend for it to be big - with many partners and employees - then u need to build it yourself so you can customize it as the project grows. if its just a tube or tgp then dont waste your time on it.

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Of course I reuse code. That's not even a question to be asked of anyone who
has wrote more than one program.

Making a tube site that accepted user uploads and converted them to flvs and
made thumbs from the video required new code that wasn't used to run my text TGP.
Not to mention that I made my own flv player that wasn't needed on the TGP.

But what's going to be the next "cool site"? If it's live webmaster chat with
surfers using HTML5 hollography

, then none of my current tube site code is going to do that.
I can't reuse code that doesn't exist.

But if I just wait 5 months then I can get it in a wordpress theme it seems.

blackmonsters · 04-09-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

i mostly use wordpress. You can do anything with it, without programming anything yourself. I hate programming with all my heart, and i barely can do it because of my complete lack of interest in it. So for my sites wordpress is the best invention ever.

Yeah, I'm seeing that.

It's like I can code some new cool shit and put it up on my site and then you
surf my site and email wordpress and two weeks later you have the same shit.

SpotOnTechSupport · 04-09-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

welcome to gfy

Thanks! Got sent over here after holding up a sign on the freeway saying "WILL CODE PORN SITES FOR FOOD!"

woj · 04-09-2011, 11:35 AM

If you have a good idea you need to do it NOW... not 6 months from now when some idiot releases a $49.99 script for it... you will then be competing with 1000s of other webmasters...

plsureking · 04-09-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Of course I reuse code. That's not even a question to be asked of anyone who
has wrote more than one program.

Making a tube site that accepted user uploads and converted them to flvs and
made thumbs from the video required new code that wasn't used to run my text TGP.
Not to mention that I made my own flv player that wasn't needed on the TGP.

But what's going to be the next "cool site"? If it's live webmaster chat with
surfers using HTML5 hollography

, then none of my current tube site code is going to do that.
I can't reuse code that doesn't exist.

But if I just wait 5 months then I can get it in a wordpress theme it seems.

i dont know if i would ever waste time building a tube script considering they have been out for sale for 3 years.

as far as chat - yes webcams are the next wave in software but they don't want to chat with you. guys want to chat with chicks (and/or dudes).

i just upgraded PornCMS to allow pay-per-view cam rooms. thats after an overwhelming demand for it over the last 2-3 months. everybody wants their own cam room now.

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Klen · 04-09-2011, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

But how do you know it's your trade script for sure?

Maybe you would do the same with a pre-packaged script.

I tried before all well known trade scripts like sloth,atx,trade expert,proton,tp,swift clicks and they were all crap.

CYF · 04-09-2011, 02:22 PM

It definitely makes sense to program your own sites/sripts. I tend to use a combination, some sites are scripts I bought or downloaded, and some are scripts I either made or had made.

wehateporn · 04-09-2011, 03:13 PM

A site owner needs to be saving time anywhere possible to concentrate on the big picture, like the CEO of any business. When the business is small it can still make sense for the CEO to be involved in these type of things, but on the long term he/she should view to get a bit of distance from those types of tasks

MediaGuy · 04-09-2011, 03:51 PM

If a script can do it, I'd rather not spend my time; I'll hard code what needs hard coding and concentrate on driving traffic...

:D

plsureking · 04-09-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

If a script can do it, I'd rather not spend my time; I'll hard code what needs hard coding and concentrate on driving traffic...

:D

mmm traffic. me like traffic..

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munki · 04-09-2011, 04:11 PM

If you aren't a qualified and competent coder... then no... If you are qualified and competent and the labor vs buy price is right... yes.

Jakez · 04-09-2011, 04:49 PM

You have to stay ahead of the competition right? Sometimes being even a few days ahead can mean loss or profit. I am constantly improving how I do everything, things I came up with 2 months ago that had amazing results would be a serious back peddle now, and it's nice to know that no one is even doing that yet.

DangerX !!! · 04-09-2011, 05:32 PM

blackmonsters · 04-09-2011, 05:41 PM

Lots of intelligent opinions here except for the one dumb ass posting a pic.

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Eldon Hoke · 04-09-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Lots of intelligent opinions here except for the one dumb ass posting a pic.

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My thoughts exactly. Especially the latter.

The beauty of Wordpress is that you can develop your own plugin/s to modify the core engine and add enhancements and greater functionality. It's a brilliant platform to springboard any concept of website, due to it's content management capabilities and especially for those that are less experienced with programming.

Its more of a case of "I want this new feature on my website". Click a button and it's up.

DangerX !!! · 04-09-2011, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Lots of intelligent opinions here except for the one dumb ass posting a pic.

...

I've just answered your question appropriately, but, I might be a dumb ass indeed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldon Hoke

My thoughts exactly. Especially the latter.

The beauty of Wordpress is that you can develop your own plugin/s to modify the core engine and add enhancements and greater functionality. It's a brilliant platform to springboard any concept of website, due to it's content management capabilities and especially for those that are less experienced with programming.

Its more of a case of "I want this new feature on my website". Click a button and it's up.

Hello my friend, how are you doing? Still no ban?

blackmonsters · 04-09-2011, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldon Hoke

My thoughts exactly. Especially the latter.

The beauty of Wordpress is that you can develop your own plugin/s to modify the core engine and add enhancements and greater functionality. It's a brilliant platform to springboard any concept of website, due to it's content management capabilities and especially for those that are less experienced with programming.

Its more of a case of "I want this new feature on my website". Click a button and it's up.

I also think about that if someone using wordpress is spending more time choosing
content versus me always updating code then the wordpress guy may
be the winner since surfers care about content and not about my super slick
hidden revolutionary(but only in my mind) code.

All the updates/patches/etc... that wordpress does on a regular basis is what
I also have to do with my own scripts. That can be a lot of time away from
traffic generation and content selection.

I don't have any illusions that I'm going to produce some code that blows
the surfer away and it can't be duplicated and therefore my super code makes
me the biggest traffic site on the internet. Yeah, that could happen, but I could
just as easily win the powerball lottery for that matter.

I doubt people surf thehun just because of his supper slick TGP script.

blackmonsters · 04-09-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DangerX !!!

I've just answered your question appropriately, but, I might be a dumb ass indeed.

If you actually thought you needed two commas in the above reply then you would
be exactly that.

DangerX !!! · 04-09-2011, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

If you actually thought you needed two commas in the above reply then you would
be exactly that.

Dude, when I type fast I don't care about the grammar and yes, English isn't my native language. Oh well, why so serious anyway? Just take it easy and don’t seek grammar mistakes in my posts.
Is it make a sense to program a website myself nowadays? Yes, it makes a sense since I require from my websites to do much more than any pre-made scripts are offering even such flexible ones like mentioned above Wordpress. Yes, there are various plugins and mods, I know, but sometimes even best and the most advanced mods can't do what I want. Oh and if I need something simple like a homepage with a few forms etc and especially if it's not for me but for someone else then of course, pre-made ones are more than what is needed, especially flexible open source scripts. I just need to make sure that possible security holes are fixed and to put additional security layers because scripts like Wordpress unfortunately have plenty of holes and bugs. Huh, is it more like the answer you were expecting to read?

Now peace bro!

Mutt · 04-09-2011, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

i just upgraded PornCMS to allow pay-per-view cam rooms. thats after an overwhelming demand for it over the last 2-3 months. everybody wants their own cam room now.

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i have my own CMS but i'd like to see your ppv cam room software. what's your ICQ?

r0bman · 04-10-2011, 01:02 AM

Obviously finding a script already made that fits your needs would be nice, but in reality they are over complicated and fit the need of the author at the time, if you can build your own... do!
If everyone did write their own code, the web would be a much better, more diverse place

plsureking · 04-10-2011, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

i have my own CMS but i'd like to see your ppv cam room software. what's your ICQ?

thats a good question lol. actually i dont use any chat unless i'm forced to it. u can email me at ryan at porncms.com anytime

sojproductions · 04-10-2011, 03:07 AM

In all the projects i've been involved with over the past 4 years i've never needed to create custom scripts, whatever the requirement i've always been able to eassily find an 'off the shelf' script which I can fine tune, saved me and my customers alot of time and money.

redwhiteandblue · 04-10-2011, 03:30 AM

It's an interesting question and being a coder is one I ask myself sometimes. I write my own scripts but I justify doing so every time I see someone moan about yet another Wordpress update, or asking around the boards, "how do I do this in Wordpress?", "how do I do that in Wordpress?" Like someone was asking how to get embedded flash movies to work properly, and that kind of thing just isn't an issue with your own script, you build that kind of functionality in from the start.

Kiopa_Matt · 04-10-2011, 03:38 AM

All depends on the project...

Some WP blog to host galleries, or maybe a simple membership management system, or maybe a tube site? Fuck it, use pre-made. No point in reinventing the wheel.

A larger scale solution that you're looking at for long-term profits, which will be constantly expanding? Definitely custom. Going pre-made with this one many times is the reason for a site's demise.

blackmonsters · 04-10-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

A larger scale solution that you're looking at for long-term profits, which will be constantly expanding? Definitely custom. Going pre-made with this one many times is the reason for a site's demise.

I agree about the large scale solution, but the reality is that 95% of us
are never going to produce a website that gets more than 30k hits per day.
75% of us are never going to build a website that gets more than 2k a day.

The reality is that most people here will have some blogs, a couple of old TGPs,
a few tubes and something else for a combined total of 5k-30k/day traffic in all.

Everybody dreams of building that big massive website and thinks it is smart to
prepare for it but that's not going to happen for most people.

I made big money in the old days with a prepackaged auto submitter (TGSW),
I'm glad I didn't waste time trying to code something like that myself.
I started making money right away with something that was already proven to work.

And for people in this thread that do 100k/day on your main web site : STFU!

You know damn well that the rest of us aren't doing that or you would know
every single one of us by now since you would be trading traffic with us or
constantly approving our submissions, etc...

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