porn to be free

[DVTimes]

i was reading an interesting thing on a website.

they stated that rather than sell porn they will give it away free.

just let people download and re-post on tube and forums, but use the domains to sell real goods, such as sex toys or swingers rooms in hotels.

they see it like the musix biz. in the way that people download music free and no longer see any reason to buy. but that leads to the band being popular and well known. they said that some acts have had to extend there concert tours as they were so popular from the free songs.

they now state that all there content is now on forums and tube sites and its too wide-spread to stop.

so rather than sit hoping to get a few sales, accept the reality and that people no longer buy. so use the traffic for real sales of goods.

interesting thought. and i can see the point.

[HomerSimpson]

but even kids can join forums or go to tube sites...
how will they be protected from porn?

creditcard is/was pretty good guard...

[Failed]

but even kids can join forums or go to tube sites...
how will they be protected from porn?

.xxx

[PR_Glen]

i'm pretty sure sextoys and some fan posters aren't going to be the same kind of money that comes in for website subscriptions...

you think that content doesn't cost us to buy??

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

but even kids can join forums or go to tube sites...
how will they be protected from porn?

creditcard is/was pretty good guard...

what difference does that make to now.

the argument is that rather than people joing and re-posting your content, you simply say, 'what the heck' and let them.

i supose you can just pump your content then rather than having lots of servers, you just stick to a single few pages. so no hosting costs.

is this not in truth what some are already doing?

i see a lot bying from content stores films not for pay sites but tube sites.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

i'm pretty sure sextoys and some fan posters aren't going to be the same kind of money that comes in for website subscriptions...

you think that content doesn't cost us to buy??

what this firm had done was to buy hotels for swingers.

the idea was to use the domains to rent the rooms out and sell sex toys.

this was a firm who made there content.

but the way they see it, was they had made as much cash as they could from the content but now found its content on all the tube sites and forums. they felt it too pointless to try to stop it. a bit like if you went out into the street and it was full of brand new bmw's with the keys in. with no one to stop you taking them. its was not likly you would bother walking a few more miles to the bmw shop and pay for one. so let people drive them free but see how you can make money from them driving.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

they see it like the musix biz. in the way that people download music free and no longer see any reason to buy. but that leads to the band being popular and well known. they said that some acts have had to extend there concert tours as they were so popular from the free songs

So, people are going to watch porn on tubes then all buy tickets to collectively wank in Wembley Stadium?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

So, people are going to watch porn on tubes then all buy tickets to collectively wank in Wembley Stadium?

did i say that/ no.

what the firm said was that people would go to the site in huge numbers as the site was free so could download all the porn they wanted.

there plan (and they did not state how they were to do it) was to sell sex toys and rent rooms to swingers in hotels.

they stated that there were swingers clubs but these were small scale. they planed to do it full scale. so they had hotels.

they belived that while others would still charge, that they would end up with next to no sales.

they said by getting people to re-post the content all over it would be huge free advertising.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

So, people are going to watch porn on tubes then all buy tickets to collectively wank in Wembley Stadium?

by the way froim what i gather this is a big firm, with a lot of content, and huge amount of cash behind them.

[rogueteens]

So they give people a free wank then expect people to pay after they have spunked?

Like most tubes ... FAIL.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

So they give people a free wank then expect people to pay after they have spunked?

Like most tubes ... FAIL.

i havce heard the big tube sites make a lot of cash.

the big ones being the first porn tube sites in most cases.

so i guess they belive if they are first then they will make the cash.

[ottopottomouse]

Selling tissues.

[Naechy]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

So they give people a free wank then expect people to pay after they have spunked?

Like most tubes ... FAIL.

a lot of webmasters gives free and then expect people to pay. yes.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

i was reading an interesting thing on a website.

they stated that rather than sell porn they will give it away free.

just let people download and re-post on tube and forums, but use the domains to sell real goods, such as sex toys or swingers rooms in hotels.

they see it like the musix biz. in the way that people download music free and no longer see any reason to buy. but that leads to the band being popular and well known. they said that some acts have had to extend there concert tours as they were so popular from the free songs.

they now state that all there content is now on forums and tube sites and its too wide-spread to stop.

so rather than sit hoping to get a few sales, accept the reality and that people no longer buy. so use the traffic for real sales of goods.

interesting thought. and i can see the point.

This is just an iteration of the existing model. Canned porn (not custom made/highly personalized erotica made for subniches) is already free on many classes of sites and are just used to bait upsells for programs that sell things that CANNOT be pirated like EXPERIENCES (web cam and dating) or PROCESSES. It won't get any better--the next step= HD content tubes becoming the standard.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by Naechy

a lot of webmasters gives free and then expect people to pay. yes.

yes, "expect" being the operative word. Eveyone knows that once a bloke has shot his load, he's going to lose interest and wander off to youtube to watch clips of kids being happyslapped without once having to, or needing to spend any cash on his free wank.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

i havce heard the big tube sites make a lot of cash.

I'm sure i read somewhere that they are not making much money compared to the traffic they get.
I believe that they are just doing it just to suck traffic from competitors (the big tubes, that is). And judging by all the people who seem to be dropping out of porn, its working. Porn has traditionally been recession-proof but when you combine the recession with tubes giving away free movies, there arn't going to be many people left at the end and if, after the recession has ended you have that traffic and no competitors, just imagine how much you could make if you suddenly charge to view all of that free/stolen content

[kane]

It is tough to compare the two. There are still million and millions of people who pay for music. Sure, there is rampant piracy, but there are also a lot of sales.

There are also major, hugely popular acts, who have canceled tours because of lack of interest in ticket sales. Now some of this could be that they simply charge too much and want to play too big of venues, but a lot of it has to do with the economy and large number of choices when it comes to how many acts are on tour.

Music also make a lot of money from publishing. If someone wants to use your music in their TV show or movie or commercial or whatever, they have to pay you. Some acts make millions per year licensing their music. The same can't be said for porn.

[DVTimes]

http://gigaom.com/video/groupon-porn/

go watch the vid. its were i took the info from.

just listen to what the chap says.

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Sex sells: The Barcelona-based adult movie company Private Media is taking a unique twist on an old mantra, preparing an ambitious effort to compete with free and unlicensed content online. Private’s goal is to completely revamp its entire business, generate revenue from advertising with a Groupon-like voucher twist and give away the majority of its content for free. “There is no reason to continue to charge people,” said Private CEO Berth Milton during a phone conversation last Friday.

Like everyone in the porn business, Private has seen its revenues erode in recent years as consumers flock to file sharing networks and sites like YouPorn for free and unlicensed copies of their movies. A few competitors have started to sue end users for file sharing, but Milton doesn’t think this is the right way to go. “We don’t mind P2P, that’s absolutely okay”, he told me, reiterating that noncommercial piracy can actually serve as promotion.

What he doesn’t like are adult YouTube clones, oftentimes called tube sites within the industry, that try to make money with his company’s content. Private has sued a number of these sites in the past, but now it wants to confront them head-on by opening up its own free and ad-supported porn sites.

The problem with this approach is that major brands usually don’t like to see their goods advertised next to movies like On Vacation With My Slut Sister. Tube and torrent sites tend to run ads for a few online dating services, and the CPMs for these ads bring in a fraction of the money major media outlets make online. Other sites try to get affiliate fees by redirecting users to paid porn, but Milton calls this a “stupid business model.”

Private’s solution to this problem is pretty daring. The company is about to team up with a major Italian ad agency to get access to major brand advertising without any actual involvement of the companies that make these products. “We don’t need approval for any of the luxury brands,” said Milton.

How will this work in detail? Let’s say fashion brand buys ad space on a traditional TV outlet through the agency. The brand pays the agency not in cash, but with its products valued at wholesale price. These products then get offered via Private’s sites for a outlet-like discount, and Private only gets paid for any actual sales.

Milton told me that this setup is inspired by Groupon’s voucher system. Some of the first items sold through this unique relationship will be clothing from major fashion brands and gym equipment. These sales will initially be restricted to Europe, but Milton hopes to quickly expand to the U.S. as well, and he firmly believes that he’ll be able to cater to millions and millions of customers. “It will explode,” he said.

Private wants to supplement its ad income with other new revenue streams, ranging from an online casino it is going to launch in mid-February to a swingers hotel that is scheduled to open its doors in Barcelona in July. The hotel is a first test case, but Milton believes that he can quickly expand to 100 similar hotels operated on a franchise basis that specifically cater to swingers. And he isn’t ready to give up on selling content entirely; part of the hotel will be an offer for a free stay if guests are willing to have their escapades live-streamed on one of Private’s pay sites.

All of these plans are overshadowed by an ongoing legal struggle with some of Private’s investors over control of the company involving former CEO Ivan Buminovitz, who was ousted in July. Milton tried to assure me that the conflict won’t have any impact on his company’s move towards new business models, and recent regulatory filings seem to suggest that he does have the backing of a majority of stock holders. However, NASDAQ has threatened to delist Private as a result of the prolonged power struggle.

Still, Milton seems optimistic about Private’s future. He lamented that the porn biz spent too long holding onto old business models, thus effectively digging their own holes, all the while porn online is exploding. “(Adult) companies are getting smaller, but the market is getting bigger,” he remarked. Milton believes that it’s overdue for companies like Private to profit from this trend. “When I started, we could sell in a few select porn shops,” he said, adding: “Now we can sell to a billion consumers.”

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

what the firm said was that people would go to the site in huge numbers as the site was free so could download all the porn they wanted..

They key being that there is any porn worth downloading. Most tube stuff is crap streamed at terrible bitrates disorganized and not labled correctly with umpeen water marks posted on them where the good parts are. And you often find the same video there a dozen times. Also I love all the fucking pop-ups of all the chat girls that supposedly live next to me wanting to fuck.

[HighlyIntoxicated]

What porn needs is zip/email offers. Have a user fill out one of those for a 1 day trial. It doesn't cost the user anything, and from experience, if the content you are offering is good, people will complete the email/zip submit.

Email/Zip submits pay out at $1.80 most of the time, and I've been able to maintain a 1:10 conversion ratio.

The problem is it is hard to find a email/zip submit that will allow adult. It's also a bitch to find cpa networks that accept adult.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

i was reading an interesting thing on a website.

they stated that rather than sell porn they will give it away free.

just let people download and re-post on tube and forums, but use the domains to sell real goods, such as sex toys or swingers rooms in hotels.

they see it like the musix biz. in the way that people download music free and no longer see any reason to buy. but that leads to the band being popular and well known. they said that some acts have had to extend there concert tours as they were so popular from the free songs.

they now state that all there content is now on forums and tube sites and its too wide-spread to stop.

so rather than sit hoping to get a few sales, accept the reality and that people no longer buy. so use the traffic for real sales of goods.

interesting thought. and i can see the point.

How much more free can porn get than tube sites? There are so many humongous blatantly illegal tube sites out there, that it's hard to imagine things getting worse. All of the biggest pay sites will never stop charging monthly subscription fees, because they already have thousands and thousands of legacy customers rebilling monthly. So, I think porn is as free as it's ever going to get.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

How much more free can porn get than tube sites? There are so many humongous blatantly illegal tube sites out there, that it's hard to imagine things getting worse. All of the biggest pay sites will never stop charging monthly subscription fees, because they already have thousands and thousands of legacy customers rebilling monthly. So, I think porn is as free as it's ever going to get.

the idea is free, not pirated.

so you open your site and let p[eople download and re-post.

but the idea being that people then go to your site. and when they do you promote sex toys and stuff.

listen to the vid and what he says. its very interesting.

[kane]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

the idea is free, not pirated.

so you open your site and let p[eople download and re-post.

but the idea being that people then go to your site. and when they do you promote sex toys and stuff.

listen to the vid and what he says. its very interesting.

It is a risk they are taking and I guess we will see if it pays off. He basically says they will use the traffic from giving away their content for free to drive traffic to their ads which will be for swingers type stuff (vacations, websites etc) and exclusive sextoy deals. He also says they plan on having some people pay for exclusivity, but he doesn't explain what that means.

I guess, in the end, it will depend on how much traffic giving this stuff away can generate and if the sales to these other revenue streams make up for it. I have a feeling it may not be as much as they would hope. If all your content is available on torrents, those users have no real reason to go to your site and I wonder if a swingers type market is big enough to really support it. I guess we will see.

[Buzz]

porn industry is NOT music industry.
you can't go on tour with people fucking on the scene.
you can't sell pornstar's face to a fashion brand.
so please stop comparing it, those two are NOT equal, not even close.

porn will never be free until you know how to SHOOT it for free.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Buzz

porn industry is NOT music industry.
you can't go on tour with people fucking on the scene.
you can't sell pornstar's face to a fashion brand.
so please stop comparing it, those two are NOT equal, not even close.

porn will never be free until you know how to SHOOT it for free.

And of course last time I checked the music industry is not giving out music for free.

[Paul Markham]

A load of Tubes sites with compressed videos on them can't afford the hosting bill. They want the sponsor to bear the cost.

When I see Pornhub selling vibrators and giving away good quality definition porn I'll believe it.

[BigRod]

Its like anything else guys get bored easy! Not that many years ago a guy would jerk off to a porn magazine because that was all he had. When internet porn came along sure it cost him "a little extra" but he wanted something new and something better.

Half the world is jerking off to crap tube vids but just like those old mags guys are going to get bored, and when they do the company standing there with the product that costs "a little extra" are going to cash in.

I doubt very many guys are going to go from Tube to $29.95 but I don't think selling them on superior content for $9.99 a month is that hard

[jigg]

Originally Posted by HighlyIntoxicated

What porn needs is zip/email offers. Have a user fill out one of those for a 1 day trial. It doesn't cost the user anything, and from experience, if the content you are offering is good, people will complete the email/zip submit.

Email/Zip submits pay out at $1.80 most of the time, and I've been able to maintain a 1:10 conversion ratio.

The problem is it is hard to find a email/zip submit that will allow adult. It's also a bitch to find cpa networks that accept adult.

please

[DVTimes]

the problem will be is that sites will go down this path.

they will offer content free.

its like tube sites. the first to do it got the traffic and made/makes cash from them. then everyone else set up tube sites thinking they would do the same, but the boat had left. so now you have mainly 10 or so big tube sites creaming off everything.

if a firm can give porn away free and make money. others will follow.

to say music and porn is not the same is silly. its about files. people like to save files even if they never bother to look at them.

what the site is talking about is simply using the content to bring people to the site. ie, if its posted on eve4ry forum and people say go to xxxxxx website as its free. lots of people will. so its then a case of having a site that can sell 'real goods' to people.

one option could be that you upsell your content. by this sell your films in high quality on blu-ray.

[HighlyIntoxicated]

Originally Posted by jigg

please

what????

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by BigRod

Its like anything else guys get bored easy! Not that many years ago a guy would jerk off to a porn magazine because that was all he had. When internet porn came along sure it cost him "a little extra" but he wanted something new and something better.

Half the world is jerking off to crap tube vids but just like those old mags guys are going to get bored, and when they do the company standing there with the product that costs "a little extra" are going to cash in.

I doubt very many guys are going to go from Tube to $29.95 but I don't think selling them on superior content for $9.99 a month is that hard

I agree with you about the price. I also think we should offer more options. 1 day, 1 week 1 month, 30 days of actual days they log in. And maybe mini sites they can download a bunch of scenes, say 10, for a 1 off price $5.

The problem is the industry has built a product and pricing structure many customers aren't as willing to pay for as he used to be. We've been selling monthly memberships @ $30 from day 1. And the talk was that the higher the price the better the return. Like price was any indication of quality.

Everyone knows why the sites and price structure are like they are. It was all about traffic and the customers needs were third in line after the affiliates and site owner.

[Seth Manson]

I wonder how many people that are crying about all the free porn killing their sales are also some of the same people that fought against that COPA shit requiring credit card age verification years ago?

[Agent 488]

can't beat them join them.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

I wonder how many people that are crying about all the free porn killing their sales are also some of the same people that fought against that COPA shit requiring credit card age verification years ago?

This part of the porn industry hates all forms of control and legislation.

But screams blue murder when the effects of that take away sales.