Fukushima Nuclear plant a success for nuke power?

[blackmonsters]

An interesting perspective given here in this video.
Maybe this is a very good point.
For example, an oil refinery in a 9.0 quake could also blow, burn for days and
leave heavy pollution, but we wouldn't panic and stop refining oil.

9.0 quake and massive tsunami has got to be one of the worst case scenarios
of all time. Hmmmmmmm?

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...tt_536053.html

[dyna mo]

the gfy doomsdayers will not like this thread.

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

An interesting perspective given here in this video.
Maybe this is a very good point.
For example, an oil refinery in a 9.0 quake could also blow, burn for days and
leave heavy pollution, but we wouldn't panic and stop refining oil.

9.0 quake and massive tsunami has got to be one of the worst case scenarios
of all time. Hmmmmmmm?

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...tt_536053.html

Well, in Iraq the wells have burned a long, long time. Some heavy polution was going on. But that still wasn't as bad a Tsjernobyl, which is still highly radioactive in the surrounding area, causing cancer all kinds of other problems.

I guess that's why we don't deem it as "that bad"

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

But that still wasn't as bad a Tsjernobyl, which is still highly radioactive in the surrounding area, causing cancer all kinds of other problems.

I guess that's why we don't deem it as "that bad"

http://www.tourkiev.com/chernobyltour/

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

Well, in Iraq the wells have burned a long, long time. Some heavy polution was going on. But that still wasn't as bad a Tsjernobyl, which is still highly radioactive in the surrounding area, causing cancer all kinds of other problems.

I guess that's why we don't deem it as "that bad"

Did you watch the video?

Fukushima plant is not even the same type reactors as Chernobyl.

[dyna mo]

borked linked to this article a few days ago, i found it a good read as well.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03...iima_analysis/

[papill0n]

if you think nuclear power is the way of the future you are an uneducated idiot

[dyna mo]

if you can't see that nuclear power is a genie that cannot be put back in the bottle you are an ignorant fool.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by papill0n

if you think nuclear power is the way of the future you are an uneducated idiot

Well thank you for putting words in my mouth and then calling me an idiot about it.



I compared the Fukushima event to a oil refinery event and didn't say anything
about the future of either one.

idiot!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

if you can't see that nuclear power is a genie that cannot be put back in the bottle you are an ignorant fool.

Now that is the absolute truth!

Even if nations don't use reactors for power they will still build them to
extract high grade material for weapons.

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Did you watch the video?

Fukushima plant is not even the same type reactors as Chernobyl.

Yes, I watched the video. And I know it's not the same type. But that's not the point.

[mikesinner]

Nuclear power is safer than any non renewable energy source and it is unlikely that we will have solar panels that will absorb the majority of solar rays that hit them any time soon.

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Nuclear power is safer than any non renewable energy source and it is unlikely that we will have solar panels that will absorb the majority of solar rays that hit them any time soon.

I would be happy to see a lot more money being invested in the development of solar power though

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

I would be happy to see a lot more money being invested in the development of solar power though

I looked into solar power for homes and think the set up cost is way too high
and it's basically a money loser.

Solar power right now seems to be only for people who are really hardcore about
going "green". That's cool for people who can afford it, but I can't go there myself.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

borked linked to this article a few days ago, i found it a good read as well.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03...iima_analysis/

Yeah, that's exactly what the economics guy was saying.

[Ron Bennett]

An oil refinery problem doesn't spread radioactive material, including highly dangerous Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 all over the place...

Both of those have medium length decay half-lives of around 30 years, and are readily taken up by the body.

The Potassium iodide pills one sees advertised all over the place for dealing with radioactive Iodine-131 provides NO protection against Caesium-137 / Strontium-90 exposure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90

With an oil spill, one just cleans up and life goes on ... there's no simple way to clean up radioactive fall-out other than abandoning large swathes of land, as Russia did, and waiting out the decay process for many decades to a few centuries.

Ron

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

An oil refinery problem doesn't spread radioactive material, including highly dangerous Cesium-137 and Strontium-90 all over the place...

Both of those have medium length decay half-lives of around 30 years, and are readily taken up by the body.

The Potassium iodide pills one sees advertised all over the place for dealing with radioactive Iodine-131 provides NO protection against Caesium-137 / Strontium-90 exposure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90

With an oil spill, one just cleans up and life goes on ... there's no simple way to clean up radioactive fall-out other than abandoning large swathes of land, as Russia did, and waiting out the decay process for many decades to a few centuries.

Ron

i've read some pretty bad things about the havoc wreaked upon one's thyroid gland with those iodide pills too eh. ugh.

nevertheless though.

[Hentaikid]

Rooftop solar is the most lethal energy source, 1000 dead a year just in the US from accidents and falls.

Hydro dams burst and kill 100-200 a year, with incidents in the 100 thousands on record.

Coal plants cause accidents and pollution and radioactive waste released as part of their normal operation (There's uranium in coal, burn it and breathe it and it'll give you cancer just like it came from Chernobyl)

Cover the country in wind turbines and you will alter rain and wind patterns.

Conventional pollutants don't go away on their own either. The half life of lead or mercury is pretty long, and unlike radioactive waste you can't point a geiger counter at it to find it.

More people are probably going to die as a result of iodine poisoning from overreaction to the Fukushima scare than any affected directly by the low levels of radiation released.

It's not simple to run a modern civilization! No easy answers.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

With an oil spill, one just cleans up and life goes on ... there's no simple way to clean up radioactive fall-out other than abandoning large swathes of land, as Russia did, and waiting out the decay process for many decades to a few centuries.

Ron

That is fucking ridiculous.

BP Oil Spill


You are simply latching on to fear rhetoric and spreading it.
Look at the facts.

The Fukushima problem is no where near that of the BP oil spill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwat...izon_oil_spill

Based on these estimates, up to 75 percent of the oil from BP's Gulf oil disaster still remains in the Gulf environment, according to Christopher Haney, chief scientist for Defenders of Wildlife, who called the government report's conclusions misleading. Haney said. "Terms such as 'dispersed,' 'dissolved' and 'residual' do not mean gone. That's comparable to saying the sugar dissolved in my coffee is no longer there because I can't see it. By Director Lubchenco's own acknowledgment, the oil which is out of sight is not benign. Whether buried under beaches or settling on the ocean floor, residues from the spill will remain toxic for decades."[2

Get off the fear wagon because that is truly the one wagon that makes mankind
fucking stupid.

[Sagi]

Originally Posted by papill0n

if you think nuclear power is the way of the future you are an uneducated idiot

It's kind of the way of now. Nuclear power is already in use in a lot of places.

[jalami]

Originally Posted by Hentaikid

It's not simple to run a modern civilization! No easy answers.

Wait a minute... does that mean we should weigh all the pros and cons of each method of generating energy, in a logical way, without the hysteria?

I prefer easy answers!

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I looked into solar power for homes and think the set up cost is way too high
and it's basically a money loser.

Solar power right now seems to be only for people who are really hardcore about
going "green". That's cool for people who can afford it, but I can't go there myself.

I'm talking industrial size. Right now, solar panels are very inefficient. Especially the ones for homes.
The setup cost is so high because it's not been widely adopted yet.

Once efficiency will go up(which is what the need to invest in) it could become a viable option...and affordable

[LRS]

thats true.. indeed..