Is it worth sending traffic to affiliate programs, these days?

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  • MrMaxwell
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2005
    • 10057

    #31
    Originally posted by Site Collector
    What a sad state of affairs where we stand with the adult industry. Free porn available everywhere and no one does anything to crack down on it. The regular horny surfer doesnt understand that there will be no more free new porn one day if the companies making it go down!

    I used to rack up with my affiliate sites, had a couple of huge producers, the only thing keeping me well off is the fact that I have so many sites and always kept adding to my network. But if I was starting today with my first site, affiliate is not where I would go.
    That is the whole thing, though, so many businesses have been so successful with the "free model" (pun intended)

    Everything is going to go to being free, I believe, you know? Free with premium options.

    As an example I personally always thought the $30/mo model was ridiculous. Why not give everything away in low quality and charge for high quality?

    I would like to know how to go after the ones who'd pay for quality (quality content OR quality picture)

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    • MrMaxwell
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2005
      • 10057

      #32
      Originally posted by signupdamnit
      People here suggest that I am too picky or being unreasonable but you really do need to be picky about who you send traffic. Even if they are running a fair 50% revshare program you need to realize you are probably getting only 40% in actuality because of how tracking typically works. You have to understand that. If you send traffic to people with a bunch of leaks, cross sales on rev share without affiliate credit, no credit mobile redirects, non-credited backup processors or that other stuff you need to realize you are being fucked out of money. I don't care what you say. If the program were more fair you would be making more money. If you and every other affiliate support programs who do these things then more sponsors are going to try to do it and you will continually make less as it goes on. This is partially what is happening and why it isn't worth it with most programs anymore. Only a select few are worth the bother.
      The aff will always be the PMO's bitch, because the pmo spent a fortune developing the site and buying content and marketing it and everything else. The percentage they paid me was a marketing expense, but better than that because it was "unprepaid" marketing, you know? So it's all cool, until they get tricky and motherfuck around with slippery shit. Only thing supposed to be slippery is the hoes on the sites... right.. well that's not how this business works. It comes down to a good aff will ab test and whoever best monetizes the traffic will get it.

      You're right about billing too... I've tried to tell sponsors, before, you need to implement a cascade.... um well we can't spend the money.. okay 30% of your sales are going down the toilet, I'll pull my links

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      • MrMaxwell
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jul 2005
        • 10057

        #33
        Originally posted by Kelli58
        Yes, affiliate programs - some of them at least are still worth doing business with if you approach it in the right way. If you want to throw up a few FHGs on a blog and hope for the best then probably not going to work out well for you but if done right, affiliate programs can be a great source of income.

        TGP traffic is shit. Was 5 years ago, still is today. So if those are your numbers that is no surprise to me.

        Tube traffic is bigger shit and your numbers would no likely be even worse with that kind of traffic.

        As far as blogs go, while some people are making money blogging, they are far and few between but mostly because people are lazy. They don't want to put in the work required and write unique posts. But that's another issue for another day. LOL

        Yeah TGP has never been great - but I could convert Hun traffic 1:1500 - CONSISTENTLY between 2006 and 2009..

        I would imagine that tube traffic would be more like 1:15000 with garden variety sponsors... am I about right?

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        • MrMaxwell
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jul 2005
          • 10057

          #34
          Originally posted by signupdamnit
          I think there are still big openings for good programs to sweep in and offer a nice deal to affiliates and a great product to consumers. If you look back in history (minus the tubes) this is how most of the big guys got big. They paid their affiliates well and they built up a brand. Affiliates would send them some traffic and see great ratios and then think "Holy shit these guys convert great!" and send them as much as they could. It was a partnership with both parties benefitting near equally. Unfortunately a lot of these companies got greedy and decided that their affiliates were earning too much. They decided to take out more of the cut by using various slick tricks. They no longer are a good deal for affiliates but they choose to rely on their momentum and the stupidity of affiliates.

          There are openings in 2011 for good programs like this to take over. They just have to shun all the common tricks their peers are using and offer the affiliate and customer a good deal. Sure many affiliates are stupid and will fall for the tricks others are pulling but there will be some who will realize a good deal and in the long run the numbers should speak for themselves.

          Do you think I won't send you traffic if you offer me a fair program which converts 30% better and rebills 30% better than the other clowns at the same price point? Of course I will. But all your marketing means jack shit. I'm actually looking at the numbers and I'm checking your program for bullshit. I'll notice if you are better than the other guys both pre-signup and post-signup. Affiliates are running businesses too. We're not a bunch of idiots sitting on the couch jacking off to your sites and looking to make some beer money. Please quit treating us as if we were.


          Yeah.. a-lot of the big boys got fat by having affiliates put their brand in front of everyone on the whole internet. Having a swarm of affiliates promoting your brand is a wonderful thing, if you think about it. You pay them this or that when they generate a sale, but even if they get it every time without question - you're still getting your brand out there in a BIG way.

          You are so right about affiliates not being stupid. If I ever know how to generate traffic again, it's no bet that I will always be ab testing ... always. Whoever pays more for the traffic: "Gets it" (double meaning)

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          • MrMaxwell
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jul 2005
            • 10057

            #35
            It's true that the farther out from '98 we get, the worse tgp traffic gets:

            This is what I did with one sponsor on occasional hun listings

            '06
            Total: 246730 176698 0 185 1:955 0 0.00 $5,473.18
            '07
            Total: 68545 48853 0 29 1:1684 1 1.65 $3,735.65
            '08
            Total: 106123 87211 2833 26 1:3354 0 0.00 $2,211
            '09
            Total: 33864 26141 893 17 1:1537 0 0.00 $1,190.18

            (The dollar amounts, don't go by that - I sent galleries very sporadically)

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            • MrMaxwell
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2005
              • 10057

              #36
              I vote this the longest business related post without any big scandal or contests in gfy history.. I am a mastermind, for creating it. Choke on my superiority!!

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              • czarina
                Webmaster Extraordinaire
                • Jul 2002
                • 10752

                #37
                of course it is!

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                • MrMaxwell
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 10057

                  #38

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                  • Fabien
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 4789

                    #39
                    YES YES AND YES

                    But you got to dig the niche, the sponsor and get traffic for it.
                    The weardiest, the best but of course it's harder to get traffic and if you get a deal at 60/40 revshare, now you're talking !

                    Anyways, it's not about quantity, it's about quality.

                    If you send 225 qualified surfers and make 3 sales out of it, which will rebill at least 3 times. IT'S WORTH IT !

                    On the down side.
                    Making a fucking tube, costing you a fortune to run to make the same damn money but you're send 60 000 + surfers to the sponsor and they won't rebill, worst, ask for refunds or chargeback is a pain in the ass !
                    Last edited by Fabien; 03-03-2011, 12:18 AM.

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                    • CaptainWolfy
                      Playa
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 8439

                      #40
                      Yes of course it's still ok to send traffic to affiliate programs..!

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                      • the Shemp
                        congrats to the winners
                        • Nov 2001
                        • 10891

                        #41
                        Originally posted by MrMaxwell
                        I vote this the longest business related post without any big scandal or contests in gfy history.. I am a mastermind, for creating it. Choke on my superiority!!
                        you did good, bro
                        ive got some new submitters from this thread ...
                        i use Vacares...so should you
                        Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                        • fris
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                          • Aug 2002
                          • 55679

                          #42
                          Originally posted by the Shemp
                          you did good, bro
                          ive got some new submitters from this thread ...
                          can you send me a list of ad spots and prices?

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                          thx
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                          • Cherry7
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 3564

                            #43
                            I think the main thing to find is a sponsor that has the same audience as your site / traffic source...

                            We have several affiliates from arty indy websites and they make good sales at racios that don't seem to have changed much over the years...

                            Affiliates that send us traffic from very different niches find that it will convert poorly...no surprise there.

                            From galleries we have very varies results, from free posting we have had ok results, and then sales from galleries posted years ago, we paid for listing and had no sales for months and then after we stoped, sales came in...

                            I can be a long time between a punter visiting a site for the first time and buying... trust issues ?

                            We do not cheat our affiliates, why would we?

                            We think we offer a good deal though, after all we make the films photos, pay for the hosting, etc 50% for the traffic is a pretty good deal....
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                            • Wizzo
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                              • Nov 2000
                              • 15224

                              #44
                              There's certainly still good money to be made with affiliate programs.
                              Looking for Opportunity!

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                              • MrDeiz
                                • May 2008
                                • 9802

                                #45
                                Originally posted by the Shemp
                                you did good, bro
                                ive got some new submitters from this thread ...
                                would like to get ads rates too
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