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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #1606
    Originally posted by plsureking
    you claim to be good at branding, and you want to reach out to my clients, but the first paragraph to one of my clients you tell them that i dont believe in you.

    Lelu doesnt know you or anything about you. she knows me well and trusts me to keep her site up and running. i give her technical advice all the time. if you come right out and tell her i dont think you are worth listening to, she wont.

    this is yet another example of Markham knows best. you tried to make me lose face in front of my client but it only discredited you.

    pure genius again..
    So how would you of introduced yourself better?

    Should I of said You asked me?

    Or that I just happened upon the site?

    Or given her my history in porn to impress her?

    The introduction is how you take it, if she doesn't know me I need to introduce myself and tell her why I'm looking at the site and giver Lelulove some comments.

    Saying you said I wasn't able wasn't insulting you. Unless she sees they are very good and you designed the site for her. I know you could do better than that and assumed it was her design.

    There are a lot more comments to be made, like the menu at the top, easily missed, the big button which can't be missed goes to a page that has no other pages to carry on from. A side menu on all pages would be easier to see, the page with the preview should be like the others in design. I know you wouldn't make mistakes like that. So had to tread carefully as I was talking about her choice. Fundamental part of selling isn't to trash others choices.

    Which shows how much I care about what people here think. I could of kissed ass and got to shoot exclusive for $300 to $500 a scene exclusive. I could of got that business with talking the way I do.

    Whether my introduction was right or wrong, the body of the post were comments on the site. Right or wrong?



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    • Paul Markham
      Too old to care
      • Jun 2001
      • 52942

      #1607
      When people look at a situation without tunnel vision of the posters name, they might ask questions.

      For instance.

      Offline mags, videos and shooters were well aware of online in 2001, as Dean points out they were aware of the fall in sales. I met Steve Hicks and other shooters shows. As well as many editors and even directors and owners of offline porn companies.

      Magazines did pay on publication, some paid right away. Sullivan would write me a check while I stood in his office, he worked from home. LOL. Not video companies they were paid on acceptance by the distributor or publisher. Both Cable and Video publishers/distributors worked like that.

      So they were well aware of online. And the editors and directors were also very well aware of the prices being paid for content. Many scoffed at the sites that had to shoot for themselves. They knew it was best for them to employ shooters and get on with the publication side of the business.

      They knew dozens of shooters were creating an exclusive set and video for a fraction of what they paid for the license for one country. They knew if they bought the scene exclusive, they could sell the licenses again for more than they paid for it. This goes for video and magazines.

      They also commissioned work. A commission is where you shoot something specifically to their instructions. For these they would pay on delivery, well the invoice would go to the accounts department for immediate payment. They wold also de a deal for work with immediate payment. Offline shooters mostly chose to wait for the bigger sum. If they had asked a shooter to shoot for them, they could of paid his online price on acceptance and made money from the work.

      Same goes for shooters. If the offline guys would accept the low online payments, they could of. They knew where the money was. And chose not to. They could of sold online what they shot for offline like we did. That was a mistake many regretted. None to my knowledge came online to shoot custom, no online shooter did much offline. The reason is obvious, one side wasn't paying enough, the other wasn't good enough.

      Yes Dean if they had of wanted you to shoot for them, immediate payment wasn't a problem. Especially for what you would of charged. In fact I could of bought off you and sold to magazines and waited for the money. Cash flow was never our problem.

      But you're Dean Capture and no one will ever think twice about what Dean Capture says.

      Yes according to Jel I'm wrong, I get the grammar wrong.

      Is that his best shot?



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      • Jel
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2007
        • 6904

        #1608
        Originally posted by ottopottomouse
        Sarf Lunden innit guv.


        Though I thought the silly fuck was from Waltham Abbey rather than London, but it's possible he moved there before doing a runner, rather than was born there. If I typed like I spoke (strong London accent), I'd have the brains to realise that it's should've not should of. Then again I just watched the 1st youtube vid Reggie posted, and it's obvious markham has the brains of a plastic cup.

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        • Jel
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2007
          • 6904

          #1609
          Originally posted by Paul Markham
          When people look at a situation without tunnel vision of the posters name, they might ask questions.

          For instance.

          Offline mags, videos and shooters were well aware of online in 2001, as Dean points out they were aware of the fall in sales. I met Steve Hicks and other shooters shows. As well as many editors and even directors and owners of offline porn companies.

          Magazines did pay on publication, some paid right away. Sullivan would write me a check while I stood in his office, he worked from home. LOL. Not video companies they were paid on acceptance by the distributor or publisher. Both Cable and Video publishers/distributors worked like that.

          So they were well aware of online. And the editors and directors were also very well aware of the prices being paid for content. Many scoffed at the sites that had to shoot for themselves. They knew it was best for them to employ shooters and get on with the publication side of the business.

          They knew dozens of shooters were creating an exclusive set and video for a fraction of what they paid for the license for one country. They knew if they bought the scene exclusive, they could sell the licenses again for more than they paid for it. This goes for video and magazines.

          They also commissioned work. A commission is where you shoot something specifically to their instructions. For these they would pay on delivery, well the invoice would go to the accounts department for immediate payment. They wold also de a deal for work with immediate payment. Offline shooters mostly chose to wait for the bigger sum. If they had asked a shooter to shoot for them, they could of paid his online price on acceptance and made money from the work.

          Same goes for shooters. If the offline guys would accept the low online payments, they could of. They knew where the money was. And chose not to. They could of sold online what they shot for offline like we did. That was a mistake many regretted. None to my knowledge came online to shoot custom, no online shooter did much offline. The reason is obvious, one side wasn't paying enough, the other wasn't good enough.

          Yes Dean if they had of wanted you to shoot for them, immediate payment wasn't a problem. Especially for what you would of charged. In fact I could of bought off you and sold to magazines and waited for the money. Cash flow was never our problem.

          But you're Dean Capture and no one will ever think twice about what Dean Capture says.

          Yes according to Jel I'm wrong, I get the grammar wrong.

          Is that his best shot?
          Is Paul's standard wall of text the best he has got?

          btw fucking classic line saying you'd be able to make MOFOs membership 'climb'. Fucking gold mate

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          • plsureking
            bored
            • Aug 2003
            • 4900

            #1610
            Originally posted by Paul Markham
            Whether my introduction was right or wrong, the body of the post were comments on the site. Right or wrong?
            this is your problem. you are never wrong, even when you write a shitty email to one of my clients trying to make me look bad.

            i am always PROFESSIONAL when i reach out to a new prospect. i would not start by saying something bad about someone else. you could have simply said, "i mentioned to Ryan that i thought i could help you with the branding of your site, so i am writing you with a couple of opening ideas." you dont have to say that i think you are a pigheaded asshole. how does that help you?

            if you were polite and professional i would have read past the first paragraph. you know marketing so well but you cant even market yourself..
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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942

              #1611
              Originally posted by plsureking
              this is your problem. you are never wrong, even when you write a shitty email to one of my clients trying to make me look bad.

              i am always PROFESSIONAL when i reach out to a new prospect. i would not start by saying something bad about someone else. you could have simply said, "i mentioned to Ryan that i thought i could help you with the branding of your site, so i am writing you with a couple of opening ideas." you dont have to say that i think you are a pigheaded asshole. how does that help you?

              if you were polite and professional i would have read past the first paragraph. you know marketing so well but you cant even market yourself..
              No you're not professional. You're ignoring my comments on the site based on the opening, without coming up with a better one. Then you're saying I sent the email, I didn't and never said I did. It was a draft of something I would write.

              Here's what I previously wrote.

              At marketing, apart from the landing people on a tour, I have some skills. So will look at some of your sites and make some constructive comments. To you via the board so others can see if I have a clue how to shape a porn product.
              Where did I say I sent it?

              I'm trying to be polite, seems you want that more than the right message.

              How would you open such an email?

              Are my comments valid?

              Who designed the site?

              I always look at the boards with a little apprehension. Dean posts something I know to be wrong. Rochard trolls in calling him a professional.

              I point out the truth and called a troll. Well winner of Troll of the year.

              Can anyone dispute anything I wrote in that post? No but they can troll.
              Last edited by Paul Markham; 09-12-2011, 06:13 AM.



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              • plsureking
                bored
                • Aug 2003
                • 4900

                #1612
                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                Where did I say I sent it?
                ah i stand corrected. since it was in quotes and was written as a letter it looked like it was cut and pasted from an email. you introduced it by saying:

                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                Here it is.
                that was a lot of posts and grief over nothing. you should have mentioned right away that it wasn't sent. i had to contact the client to investigate.

                back to the point: cleaning up the photos and homepage layout sounds good but your edit of her intro copy cuts out all of this selling speech - "Read below to learn how and why and about all the benefits of VIP Membership. You'll get instant, unlimited access to all of my content (100's of hardcore vids and pics) and you can try it all out today - no risk and no obligation" - and replaces it with a vague sentence about "changing your game".

                she didnt say she would change the visitor's game, she is changing the online porn game. and she does this quite well. her marketing angle is that she is a virtual girlfriend. she even gives members her private cell number and lets them text her anytime. your changes pull her away from this marketing goal and try to brand her site as a generic solo site.

                this is why i said you should stay away from marketing and stick solely to content. unless you understand her marketing plan, which you did not in this case, you cannot help shape it or execute it. she has spent 2 years getting to this point and she now knows that this marketing plan sells the best. you want to misdirect her after spending a few minutes on her site?

                i have no comment about your content comments, as its not my area. i will say she has thousands of hours of video on the site and also broadcasts a webcam 24 hours a day. i think trying to make that much film perfect would be a waste of time, although you may know ways she can improve without much effort.

                i can send your letter to her if you'd like, since you made the effort to write it. i will just cut out the first paragraph. you will have to give me a reply-to address also so i dont have to be in the middle of it...
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                • DeanCapture
                  Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 9275

                  #1613
                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                  Sorry to have a go at you, but you posted a lot of mis information.
                  That's funny!

                  I've been nothing but respectful to you since day one but you seem to take just about every opportunity to talk shit about me, my work, my skills and now you're calling me a liar?

                  One would think that a man who has been though as much as you have these last few years, that you would spend more time trying to be a positive influence in peoples lives instead of being a worthless, sarcastic, hateful GFY troll. All you seem to do lately is brag about your abilities and put others down. Is that what your life has been reduced to? Is this how you make yourself feel relevant?

                  Welcome to my ignore list Paul. You're in good company there with many other worthless trolls.

                  Fuck you

                  Last edited by DeanCapture; 09-12-2011, 11:39 PM.
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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942

                    #1614
                    Originally posted by plsureking
                    ah i stand corrected. since it was in quotes and was written as a letter it looked like it was cut and pasted from an email. you introduced it by saying:
                    OK mis interpretation.

                    back to the point: cleaning up the photos and homepage layout sounds good but your edit of her intro copy cuts out all of this selling speech - "Read below to learn how and why and about all the benefits of VIP Membership. You'll get instant, unlimited access to all of my content (100's of hardcore vids and pics) and you can try it all out today - no risk and no obligation" - and replaces it with a vague sentence about "changing your game".
                    You need to get them inside the tour on the first page, the less said the better there. This is better said inside the tour. Cutting it down to a short phrase is best. All opening sales phrases shoul include

                    Who I am.
                    Why I'm here
                    What's in it for you.

                    I'm leluv, 30 years old and love sex, I'm here to change your experiences online. Or similar.


                    I'm leluv, 30 years old and love sex, I'm here to online virtual girlfriend. Or similar.

                    she didnt say she would change the visitor's game, she is changing the online porn game. and she does this quite well. her marketing angle is that she is a virtual girlfriend. she even gives members her private cell number and lets them text her anytime. your changes pull her away from this marketing goal and try to brand her site as a generic solo site.
                    Do that inside the tour by showing them how. Doing it on the first page is losing people. It's selling to early, the pop up email box I got when I first visited is closing to early. Even though most of the traffic has come from her personal canvassing, it's still asking the surfer to respond to early.

                    Get the surfers into the site, by showing them the different benefits of being a member. And keep it personal. Making verbal claims to an audience with a jaded palette, will raise suspicions. Most porn customers have had many negative experiences and will be apprehensive to claims, too early.

                    Prove it, then claim it. Hard to do on a tour, but can be achieved.

                    http://www.lelulove.com/?mb=VmlkZW9zfHw=

                    How long is the video Which number of how many in the series?

                    Wording it like this might get people thinking.

                    Deep Rabbit Dildo
                    9 - 10 - 2011

                    25 mins long

                    Video 1 of 310
                    So the viewers now know Lelulove has 310 videos on the site, adding all the time and what the total length of them is. No typed or PS claims, just auto listings.

                    this is why i said you should stay away from marketing and stick solely to content. unless you understand her marketing plan, which you did not in this case, you cannot help shape it or execute it. she has spent 2 years getting to this point and she now knows that this marketing plan sells the best. you want to misdirect her after spending a few minutes on her site?
                    I've been marketing for decades. From a market stall in Petticoat lane, to marketing to top Global Banks. It's part of a sales technique. If you over play your hand too early you turn people off. It just raises an eyebrow. Let the product do the talking.

                    Don't judge my least important level of business as the level of my abilities. Read the comments and think why they could work.

                    i have no comment about your content comments, as its not my area. i will say she has thousands of hours of video on the site and also broadcasts a webcam 24 hours a day. i think trying to make that much film perfect would be a waste of time, although you may know ways she can improve without much effort.
                    Her body positions and camera positioning on the intro video can be improved. This is packaging of the product which is an essential part of marketing.

                    i can send your letter to her if you'd like, since you made the effort to write it. i will just cut out the first paragraph. you will have to give me a reply-to address also so i dont have to be in the middle of it...
                    Tell her to reply to Paulmarkhamcontent at the email I registered on her email list.



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                    • Paul Markham
                      Too old to care
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942

                      #1615
                      Originally posted by DeanCapture
                      That's funny!

                      I've been nothing but respectful to you since day one but you seem to take just about every opportunity to talk shit about me, my work, my skills and now you're calling me a liar?

                      One would think that a man who has been though as much as you have these last few years, that you would spend more time trying to be a positive influence in peoples lives instead of being a worthless, sarcastic, hateful GFY troll. All you seem to do lately is brag about your abilities and put others down. Is that what your life has been reduced to? Is this how you make yourself feel relevant?

                      Welcome to my ignore list Paul. You're in good company there with many other worthless trolls.

                      Fuck you

                      Not worried in the slightest. When you wrote your post I saw it for what it was, wrong on many levels. Was I to sit back and let others get the wrong impression or put them right?

                      Your post was simply wrong. I pointed out where and why it was wrong.



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                      • MiaLelani_SocalCamCash
                        Registered User
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 62

                        #1616
                        Ahh I remember in 2006 all shoots were paid same day & in cash! DvD was the hot ticket & people looked down at me for taking internet shoots, but hey work is work & I didn't care if my scene landed on a DvD or site, I was excited to bang


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                        • theking
                          Nice Kitty
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 21053

                          #1617
                          When I had a pay site I rented a small studio and hired a shooter from L.A. State University for a weekly salary of $500.00. I did not know that it takes a real pro like Markham to shoot porn and neither did my shooter. When I sold the site it was netting around $300,000.00 per year.

                          Not shabby in my opinion for a shooter that was a film student at L.A. State.
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                          • ReggieDurango
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 4784

                            #1618
                            Originally posted by DamianJ
                            If Markham ever has the balls to man up and actually shoot something for Fabian, I will double the fee personally, and give my half to the cancer charity of Paul's choosing.
                            This still applies Damian??

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                            • Cherry7
                              Confirmed User
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 3564

                              #1619
                              Originally posted by theking
                              When I had a pay site I rented a small studio and hired a shooter from L.A. State University for a weekly salary of $500.00. I did not know that it takes a real pro like Markham to shoot porn and neither did my shooter. When I sold the site it was netting around $300,000.00 per year.

                              Not shabby in my opinion for a shooter that was a film student at L.A. State.
                              He was a film student and I am guessing he watched films, he read books about films, he liked films, he wanted to try things out, , he wanted to learn.

                              All these things Paul Markham not only lacks but does not see as important.
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                              • plsureking
                                bored
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 4900

                                #1620
                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                You need to get them inside the tour on the first page, the less said the better there. This is better said inside the tour. Cutting it down to a short phrase is best.
                                i have always been a fan of site-based tours, known as open architecture. let the visitor surf around, see all the pages as a surfer would, just lock down the content. this is working for lots and lots of mainstream sites. open site with the premium content behind a payment wall. porn for the most part has always ignored this very basic online marketing strategy. the sites that followed open architecture always make more.

                                so that is to say, a welcome page is a welcome page. all of Lelu's videos, photos, and other pages can be seen. the visitor already knows what he'll get if he wants to go look. the homepage is where she introduces herself and her offer and convinces him to go look around.

                                shortening the copy on the homepage would only hurt her conversion rate because the homepage bounce rate would increase. less is not more in online marketing. more clicks mean less sales. putting click here on the homepage just makes them click away.

                                as i said before, her conversion rate is 1:88 over the last 30 days. she doesnt need to change a thing about her homepage. you keep wanting to step outside your area of expertise, and change things in areas where you are not an expert, and this exercise is getting old.

                                do you have a site we can look at that has a similar or better conversion rate? preferably a solo model site? from what i remember your sites are more broke than brokeback mountain. why do you want a successful 30 year career in content to be ignored or laughed at because you think you know everything about online porn? you know content. thats it.

                                its harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days. maybe stick to shooting porn and you would be happier.
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