It's harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days.

now i KNOW you are a marketing genius. you do your research with alexa stats. lol! alexa has no clue how much traffic she gets because alexa is no longer a valid research tool. is it in your browser? i dont know anybody who uses it. if she only got 3 visitors a day: 1. she would have canceled a long time ago, rather than upgrading her account; and 2. i wouldn't use her as an example site. yet again your theories dont match reality.

if you wanted real stats, you could simply ask her. or ask me. i just logged into her PornCMS dashboard and it shows an average daily uniques of 1500, average daily pageviews of 13,000, and average daily NEW sales of 17 over the last month. there are currently 34 visitors actively on the site (within the last 5 minutes).

you can email her to verify this, but as you can see, the conversion rate completely defeats all your long "porn doesnt sell" lectures.

my target market for PornCMS is solo models and cam models. these customers have a very good conversion rate over generic porn and i think its the only market worth pursuing. i've tailored my software to the needs of these customers -- facebook integration, live webcam broadcasting, and very easy content management.

as always, you can learn something from this and start making money yourself, or you can bitch, complain, and give negative advice. your thousands and thousands of words of speeches on here just do not apply to solo models. tubes and torrents only increase sales for solo models. Lelu's best converting marketing channel is Cheggit!

maybe if you tried something new you would get better results. that model from your Manwin shoot could be a solo model and you could be making easy money. instead you are hanging on to your outdated, non-exclusive content for dear life. move forward and you will be happier.

but, hey, whatever

Yes I'm sure she does very very well and you quoted her as an average customer of yours.

Any chance you can clear this up with better stats.

Anyway, I never said porn doesn't sell. I said it sells badly, which is a different thing. And that's true. The problem between me and so many is what they think of good, I think of as bad, often very bad.

You think a sales figure of and average daily NEW sales of 17 over the last month" from an average daily uniques of 1500 is good. I think converting 1-2647 is terrible. Especially with the type of traffic you tell us she has. Did I do my sums right?

1500 a day x 30 = 45000
45000 / by 17 = 2647.0588

17 x $60 = $1,020 before expenses.

You see why I'm not impressed and didn't rush into the paysite market?

So the difference here is what you consider good and I consider good. Maybe you gave me the wrong figures.

Paul, I try to give you the benefit of the doubt and help you, but you are just a clueless fucking idiot. The 3 stats I gave you were DAILY. My comment said DAILY uniques, pv and sales.

where did you get 2647 and where did you get $60? are u drinking or do the pain pills make you this stupid? i use my little calculator here and divide 17 sales into 1500 uniques and i get 88. did you use the page views instead of uniques to make you look better? no wonder you are a broke old fool. you dont even know how conversion works.

please, if you want to argue, get your shit straight. i am trying to help you and others make some money in this business because i can see where the money is. why are you attempting to harm the industry and fight a good thing? you think it will help sell your pathetic, decade old content? you are only hurting yourself here. think before you type..

wtf dude ... 17X30X30 will get you closer to the real numbers ... did your dog walk across your keyboard or did you really type that gibberish ...

Harder to shoot porn today? It's just harder for Paul Markham to get out of bed in the morning.

Sorry got that wrong. Thought it was monthly sales. $60 for an average 2 months.

Can you prove it?

Actually I think the business model she has is good and could be carried through to multi girl sites. If the sites can convert well enough to keep the girl working right. As I said looked like a good site.

Asked before and you ignored it. Was the Bunny Ranch a paysite once?

of course i can. these aren't my own stats, just stats of one of the hundreds of sites on PornCMS, and they can be verified by the site owner.

however i have an idea: how about you prove something, anything, other than that you tricked Fabian into paying you $3000 for a shoot that looks like all the other content you've ever shot. what else have you done in the last few years other than preach on gfy? if you've had enough time to write thousands of words of bs on gfy, you certainly had time to do something worthwhile. unless you have no clue how to do anything else?

regarding the video you shot - i kinda liked it. of course that's because i expected exactly what you've been producing for xx number of years (only this time in HD). i never had a problem with your style or content. as i've said before, i was a content customer of yours years ago and made money. that milk bath girl was a huge hit in 2004 (then again that might have come from adultczech lol).



my only problem with you is that you spout bullshit about the industry but you aren't an active player and haven't been for years. you don't know what is going on in the industry, you can only speculate based on what you read here. the gfy peanut gallery bitched about tubes and torrents so you jumped on the bandwagon because it gave you an excuse as to why your sites failed.

well guess what Markham - we got past it

Last 3 years dome nothing but take money. Not anything like we used to take, but not bad. The reasons for not working are well known.

I've done little but sit here and watch an industry I love implode. While people on the boards on one hand moan and jump out and on the other spin BS.

Like a solo girl site making 17 sign ups a day. On a 1 month retention thats $186,150 turn over a year. 2 months $372,300. Yet most solo girl sites were never able to keep girls working, even the big guys like Lightspeed and Mayor couldn't afford to pay all girls enough to work full time. They wanted sets shot for $300 and never able to pay enough to keep the girl exclusive and working the site. With a Ma and Pa operation turning over that much I wonder why.

The problem is I knew a business where a single DVD title was worth $300,000 turn over in the US alone and now not worth a shadow of that. And to think all the money offline came over to online is crazy. Before anyone flames me think retail sales. Same as online sales are. 1 DVD title duped 10,000 times selling for $30 each.

Thanks for the compliment on the scene. Same format I've shot for years, No need to change the format as it works. For some reason Manwin's editor cut out the intro where Sandra was walking towards me. If you look closely she looks over her glasses as she passes me.

The voice over we did later, was Sandra introducing herself, telling people she was off to do a porn scene, how much she loved her job and that the "Best thing is I get to share it with you." The you to coincide with her looking at me. Then at the end when she had multi orgasmed and was clearly sweating and satisfied we closed the scene with her saying good bye. The most real parts of the scene where she reveals her true self. The editor cut it out, why is a mystery. Because it gave the whole scene reality.

But I see this over and over again inside members areas. It's basic point and shoot and churned out by people who either don't know how to shoot it or paid so little they can't be bothered.

I would love a little job to do. But what?

Could I teach others to bring more porn quality to their sites, or even manage their content? Yes, could do that from the comfort of my home office. No one is interest. If someone had a fraction of my experience shooting, in driving traffic. He would be snapped up. Today people care about what's outside the site than inside, care more about giving it away for free than keeping members.

Never was like that and why a decent title would need to be duped 10,000 times. 10,000 would buy a copy every month based on what last months copy was. What ever the niche. Porn Valley was never just what many online think. The most important thing was to produce a video that kept people buying. Then they knew shops would stock it customers would buy it.

lol 1500+ replies.

And if you DID rush into the paysite market early on would you be better off now or worse off? More members to your paysite or less members? Making more money now or less money? Honestly..

I really believe you are just bitter because you DIDN'T hit a home run with paysites. You always bring up this ratio argument but it's completely pointless because no one controls the internet or controls how content is distributed. AND THEY CAN'T AND NEVER HAVE. If you can view it with your eyes or listen with your ears then it can be copied and given away for free. You don't like it? Then go blow up every computer with an internet connection on the planet. You act like everyone grouped together one day and decided to give some porn away for free. It was a gradual thing and that's just how the internet works man.

well hey this is what i have been getting at all along. for such a smart guy that claims to know the Internet so well, you should be able to find "a little job to do"

you are obviously well enough to type, and you have plenty of opinions. i think your opinions are negative and sometimes wrong, but that's just my own opinion. someone else probably thinks you are spot-on. i know that guy RadicalSights is in your corner. i'm sure there are others.

there are people paid to write articles, moderate boards, build online communities, and give advice. of course no one is going to pay for someone to bitch about how the industry killed itself and there's no point starting a site, but i am sure if you found the right opportunity, you could tailor your message. you just need a positive attitude and the motivation to find the right opportunity.

one thing that seems odd to me tho - you see yourself as an expert on the Internet, although you think porn is not worth spending time and money on. do you think the same thing about mainstream? or do you think you could make a killing on that side of the wall?

You even bolded the 'daily new sales' yourself, then claimed in your backtrack post that you thought he meant monthly sales. You really are a fucking stupid cunt

By the how can we get no traffic brigade?

Sitting here tapping away at the computer for a few hours every day, instead of GFY, might be nice.

Write articles. Maybe, maybe a blog on shooting porn. Must get the E Book finished.

Moderate boards. They're dying off and I don't suffer fools gladly.

Online community giving advice. Done that here, the problem is no one listens. Beside my belief that giving away the product is a recipe for disaster. I've given loads of advice on shooting porn and shooting porn that will sell. Problem is few will spend enough on what's inside the site. They prefer to spend 3-4 times on what's outside. Is that negative or true?

I could give your solo girls a lot of advice on how to shape themselves on their sites. Interested? As you see from the documentary I can be positive. Try me out.

I know little about "the Internet". For me it's just a delivery method for what has mostly sold offline. I know how to shoot porn that will grab a viewer, how to get girls to work properly and that if the product is right, the rest follows on a lot easier. If the product is wrong, the rest becomes harder and harder.

My negative view of online porn was only about the content, 10 years ago. Now it's about the amount of free porn distracting people from paying.

Also I get pissed off with guys like Jake.

I've explained so many times why we never did go this route. Would you of risked a very very healthy income to gamble on something you saw many people fail at? You have to remember I was meeting sponsors at shows who couldn't pay us for exclusive, a fraction of what we were getting for non exclusive.

Guys would approach me with a sure fire way to make money. Yet they didn't have a pot to piss in. So alternative was, we give them all our content, they put it online in a site and we share the profits 50/50. The moment I said, my servers, my processing accounts they shied away. Tried it twice, either complete failures or rip offs.

No you can't regulate the content online. However if sponsors hadn't built an affiliate model that paid so much to people to load free porn onto the Internet. Do you think there would be more sold? It cost maybe as much as $10 on every join to put free porn online. And $1-$3 on the content. Go figure the damage done.

Can it be changed today?

Not the basic structure, the mold is cast. Can members retention be improved in sites? Yes in many many sites the content is vague, no personality and basically cloned. I explained how to change it in the documentary.

plsureking showed a site that displays the right way to go about it. This works for Playboy down to amateur. Porn consumers love to know a girl is real. Yet SNZY starts a thread about a social network for porn and no one wants to know about it. Just a site with only porn girls, shooters and maybe site owners chatting to consumers would be a big hit. You might hate it because it might not be for affiliates or those who can't socialise.

I'm too old to start it and won't have the time. But building a community to follow me and my exploits over the years. That I could do. Not doing anything more than just post.

your friend Damian attracts marketing clients by writing a blog. its a good approach and allows potential customers a way to get to know you. once you have a platform for your ideas, then you just have to contact site owners. many would pay a fee to improve their sales or retention, and there are tens of thousands of sites out there. convincing them to give you money would be a good use of your typing skills

when the big porn crash of 2008 started happening, i was a webmaster for 1 big client and just a few other small fries. the big guy - MattsModels - had stopped working on his site for almost a year so he could work on his surfing and drumming. when the crash happened, his sales and retention tanked and he started bleeding money fast.

the crash was mainly due to the recession, not tubes, although the tubes did help give surfers a way to satisfy their needs when there was no longer any credit floating around.

As sales dropped month after month, Matt decided the best course of action would be to lock me out of the servers and go silent, rather than keep paying my high wages. He stopped updating the site, did a 404 job on his MattsMoney cash program (screwing lots of affiliates), and moved into the spare bedroom of one of his ex-models.

The result for me was that Matt fucked me out of $18k in back invoices and i lost my main source of income. since i had been charging appropriately high prices for at least 5 years prior, i had about a year of savings in the bank. that's when i started PornCMS. looking at the market, and knowing that generic porn was now dead, i knew i needed to focus on solo models and small niches. the other cms makers didn't see this opportunity and i grew very fast. last year i noticed that gay solo was getting huge so i started hitting that market hard. now i've got hundreds of sites on my servers paying me every month and i sell full licenses every month too.

when Matt's site went broke i tried to find him a buyer (so he could pay me). i found a German group willing to pay current market value (about $150k), but Matt wanted 10x more. his reason was that he spent 10 years of sweat and tears shooting the content and so he thought it was worth more. emotional pricing. now the site is nothing, his content is worth nothing, and he is broke. he could have easily opened 10 solo model sites in 2007-2008 (when i suggested it) and he would still be the "king of amateurs".

success in porn has always been about seeing the opportunities in the market and going after them. those that dwell on the past have always been hurt. those that only follow the leaders never make much. you have to look forward, not back.

damn that was long lol...

I've come up with many ideas here. No one's interested. Others have come up with ideas. No one is interested. In fact getting people to change what they're doing is tough.

I've been inside many sites recently and written a report on the content and suggested ways to improve it. Manwin is one of many. I get replies that are simply silly. Like "Yes I tell the shooters this, but they don't listen." "We have the best retention on the Internet." That one wasn't backed up by affiliates. And "That's what I like." It was about content that while being crisp, in focus and lit nicely was boring as crap. Just point and shoot.

The picture I got was the sites were just piling up content with little thinking, format or planning. Sites were lacking identity. Any suggestions to change was met with resistance. Mofos I could improve right away. Content and the rest of the members area. I made the claim in the documentary.

A few clowns have flamed me, but no worries they don't bother me. Is anyone from Manwin asking me what I can suggest? No, they would rather keep stacking the same old stuff.

I reviewed some scenes in Brazzers and Mofos. No one faulted my reviews of the scenes. In fact many said I had it spot on. One thing I have learned over 30 years is what's good porn. Playboy to Amateur.

I made you the offer and you don't even inquire, what I have in mind. If you think a guy with 3 decades experience in the porn industry, shooting from real amateur to glamor. Can help your clients improve their product, hit me up on ICQ or Skype.


Well here's an opportunity, hit me up and listen to what I offer. I can write better info to marketing than you think. It's more about what you market rather than how and where. Needs to be different to fit the individual. What suits one person won't suit the next.

I've proved I can look forward. Live porn, shooting scenes that have structure and different from the old "Girl on a sofa" porn. Yes I loved the past. But still can look forward.

I've adapted our business model many times over the years. Selling photos mail order, then videos, then sets, then online, opened a site to take orders for mail order videos, shot for video distributors (had guys selling my stuff in the US and Europe), sold to cable TV, went to 100% magazine shooter, came to Czech, opened a content store, then another one, then a paysite, then another one, went to shows for mobile phones as well as online and DVD porn.

Most here have only put up a site or driven traffic to sites.

Telling people my ideas and what I learned over the years in a blog, is self defeating. Then they don't need me.

the problem i see, and the reason i wont take you seriously as a consulting partner, is that you keep telling everybody you are a marketing expert. you are not a marketing expert. you are a content expert.

if you branded yourself solely as a content expert -- which i DO believe you are -- then you would be focused and could attract some attention. when you start lecturing about marketing, affiliate management, members areas and other areas of the business where you clearly have not succeeded, people stop reading and dismiss you.

i sell marketing, i spend 20-50% of my week on marketing, but i am not a marketing expert. i muddle through it as best i can and refer the work i cant do myself. however there are guys here who do marketing 12 hours a day and are masters of traffic. these guys are marketing experts.

most 'pro' photographers probably dont want advice from you, but there is definitely a huge audience for your advice about content in the solo and amateur markets. people like LeluLove dont have professional photography training or 30 years of experience in shooting porn, so they might be open to some advice and tips. i highly doubt they would take you seriously as a marketing expert tho, which is why i wouldn't refer you.

stick to what you know and keep quiet about what you dont know (even tho you think you do). your history shows your expertise in shooting. it shows your weakness is marketing. you cant hide this with thousands of words of unread typing on gfy. if you were an expert in marketing, Manwin would have hired you to manage some sites, not shoot a solo scene.

wow
I can't believe anyone used the word "expert" in the same sentence as Paul Markham - lol

that is where you are wrong. his content is absolute garbage. he sold a few sets back in the primitive days of porn when standards were lower. ever seen his crap?

Is marketing only about driving traffic or is it also about shaping the product to present?

No matter how good my shooting was, I had to be able to present it. Shape and make sure it fits the needs of the consumers. That's also marketing.

I'm no expert on driving traffic. That's largely a a different animal today and very much about numbers.

Telling a girl how to present herself to the audience, deliver her message and how to improve the product, is also very important.

You shied away from my offer. Thinking I would tell anyone how to drive traffic or affiliates is wrong. Give me access to a site and see what I can tell you as a test.

The comment about pro shooters not wanting to listen is wrong. Madalton and Lykos listened. About photography I could teach that very quickly, about shaping the porn package and maybe improving, can do that and it takes longer. Photography isn't pornography. The difference is vast, the common ground is we both use a camera.

I'm more about using my charm to get a girl to give something more to the camera than others could. As are most professional pornographers.

Give me access and read what I have to say. Won't tell you anything about driving traffic, might be able to help the girls convert and keep more of the traffic.

This illustrates perfectly the level of some "marketing" people. Either blind, stupid or just blabbing. We shot 2,000 sets in the last 8-9 years. Try doing that and not selling them.

http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

more genius from the "content expert."

That scene has been posted like 18 times in this thread...

More stupidity from the idiocy expert.

That scene sold for well over $10,000 to magazines, content store and DVD companies. We then brokered it to Scala and Teachers Pet, for exchange of 6 scenes of their each. Each scene made well over $2,000 per scene so add another $24,000.

If you want to show my level, look.

Then there was

And then.













Just a very small selection of where our income came from.

Thanks for being an idiot and giving me an open door.

i know these werent posted for me but i'll comment lol

i always liked your work and definitely jerked to your stuff back in the day. i highly doubt there are too many guys who didnt see your photos in one mag or another back in the 90s. i even refer clients to your content store if they dont have money and need cheap content.

the problem with your 'offer' to help my clients with their sites presents a huge problem for me tho. you are a hostile guy and your opinions usually flame someone at some point or another. you can say you will only stick to suggestions about content, but it seems obvious to me that you would start attacking every aspect of their website. if they didn't like your suggestions, its likely that you would insult them and tell them how stupid they are for not listening to a guy who was selling porn before they were out of diapers.

i work too hard to attract and retain my clients. i cant take the risk. re-read the 1500+ posts on this thread if you need examples of what i mean..

I attack trolls who have little understanding of our business and what it takes to run it, maybe it's time to post a thread about what it took for us to maintain our business. I don't attack those who have genuine comments to make. Saying I should of done this or should of done that, is like telling Dean or or Brian or Jim they should of shot for magazines. I ask them why they didn't. Rarely directly.

Saying I'm a failure at the least important part of our business. That at it's height did very well for a 3rd string is annoying.

At traffic I'm not that clued up, met many who are and they didn't seem to know how to make me an offer to join their knowledge with ours. Met many who ran paysites and now just affiliates, some work for other companies.

At marketing, apart from the landing people on a tour, I have some skills. So will look at some of your sites and make some constructive comments. To you via the board so others can see if I have a clue how to shape a porn product.

Saying I couldn't manage the interior of Mofos is not a nice thing to say. Unless you know what I have to suggest. It will have nothing to do with webmastering and completely about the product.

So you can read my comments and take them or leave them.

Hey Paul
drop me a line to the mail address in sig.
We are launching a new solo girl site and I am very interested to give you access and hear your comments.
It's not yet a job but we can start from there and see if there is something we can do together. BTW, we shoot in CR so it should be easier.

Here it is.

Email sent and added you to ICQ hit me up anytime with a message.

Don't spend a lot of time online these days.

who is bumping this fucking shit

some fucking hasbeen content shooter, whoring his sig out so he can sell his fantastic content for $1 a scene

You are

It would of died as a 2 pager if not for the trolls, tomorrow I can reply to the nice person who posted after you.

Damn!
I wish those days were still around

Who doesn't...

Magazines were the shit back in your day Paul. But when I got into the biz, they were declining quite a bit. I worked for Hicks back in 2001 and we'd have production meetings every Monday. Hicks shot for quite a few magazines and we were constantly discussing how the magazines were losing readership to the net, how the budgets were dwindling and how long it was taking to get paid. When I finally felt comfortable enough with my skills to go out on my own, magazines were the last people on earth that I wanted to work for. And so, I never pursued magazines.

I have shot for a few magazines over the years (that reached out to me) but had issues of some kind or another with them all. Mostly chasing my money but with Penthouse, trying to get photo credit for my published work. I have one magazine that I shoot for now who has treated us better than any magazine we've ever worked with. They pay us a nice fee for our work, give us photo credit and we get paid within 2 weeks of them getting our invoice. If more magazines were like this, we'd be happy to shoot for them. Unfortunately, they're not....

Words of a wisdom from a professional.

I shot for Hustler back around 1992.

But it was just one picture in the "Beaver Hunt" section. lol

I shot ON hustler back around 1976.

don't even know when they trolls are playing you. man you are constantly looking for acceptance so bad it falls into the realm of self delusion. figure out the relationships with your father and mother before you pass off this mortal coil.

talking shit about me to my clients is not a good way to start

In 2001 we were producing over 20 sets a month for magazines. Plus the "readers Wives" content, we increased that number. There were still many magazines to sell to. Major publishing houses like Hustler, Score, Mavety, Crescent, Swank, PRO, Galaxy, N&S and more in the UK and US alone. We were earning $3,000 a set. Steve I expected sold his work for a lot more.

If you want to sell to magazines for the money online pays they would pay you withing 2 weeks, most magazines give credit to the shooter which you must know as someone involved with Steve. his name was always on his sets.

Magazines never reached out, especially at the top end. They had a load of shooters submitting to them to give work to first. Steve, Suze, Viv, Micheal, Hank, Jack and many many more. They used shooters who were regular suppliers and not people who would do the occasional set. The idea that they reached out to anyone is absurd.

As is the idea that they were bad at paying. The money arrived on publication. Good sets accepted by an editor for consideration were used fast, and payment came within 3-6 months. Bad sets were often left in the pile. Once the set was in the mock up, the invoice went to the payments dept. Then the check or wore was sent.

Your post would make sense if Steve was now shooting for online sites. He's not, so if they were such a bad lot to work for, why didn't he? Like every other magazine shooter. Where are they now?

I've seen your sets in Twistys, you repeat the same shot over and over again. You set the exposure on some sets at such a wide aperture they had a poor depth of focus, you did this so you could get the lights in the building to show as lit on the image. This made the full size image useless.

Many of your poses were wrong, you missed poses. The vast majority of the poses were portrait framed, with a medium of landscape screens that's simply wrong. The work of yours I saw wasn't up to the standard that was required for magazines that take that niche.

Your video work is far better than your stills work. All this shocked me as I had seen single shots of your that are good. In fact very good. Your videos are far better than your stills work.

Sorry to have a go at you, but you posted a lot of mis information.

That's what you said and that's a nice get out.

This is what I said.

The important thing is are my comments correct?

Was I rude to her, were the comments put in a nice way, were they constructive, did I involve her in the discussion?

When Dean posts something that's clearly wrong, should I just roll over and let him spin mis information. Or should I point out what's wrong with his post?

Magazines were never dying out in 2001, wasn't until 2005 that started to happen. They were never hard to get money from, they wanted top shooters submitting to them, which is why they never reached out. Yes they saw the damage free porn was doing to the porn business. Now that damage is happening online.

But he's Dean and can so no wrong.

Paul if you don't win troll of the year after calling Dean Capture a liar, there's no justice in this world!

Well done for fooling everyone into thinking you actually believe this shit!

Sterling effort, Sir!

If what Dean posts is clearly wrong, should I just say nothing because he's regarded as some guru here?

The truth is obvious. Michael Ancher and I are the only 2 magazines shooters who came online to sell their work to sites. Where are all the other magazine shooters who were having the same problems Dean points out?

A handful are still shooting, more have taken their skills into a different form of photography and some like me were able to retire. Besides Michael Ancher and I none brought their skills online to shoot for sites paying the $500 a set and video exclusive. You would think if the problems Dean points out were being encountered by those other shooters, there would be far more online. There isn't.

So does everyone else. Can you imagine how many and level of exclusive shooters there would be online if they got that much return on a single set?

Sadly many will shoot a BG set and video for $1500 to $2,000.

Thanks for looking at it from our POV and not the trolls.

Yes it would be nice if this were true. It would mean far better content in sites.

This thread is why there are so few offline shooters working online. They were all faced with a similar situation as us. Going online was fine if they had little to lose, if had had a thriving business that might suffer by going online, they might make a different decision.

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1037605

Maybe Dean didn't have that situation when he left Hicks. Waiting 6 months and not getting all his work accepted might not be a route he could of taken. however he could of shot the occasional set when he had a girl that was right.

We worked into both markets. Online and offline. Custom clearly wasn't worth it for us for others it might of been better for them. I investigated custom very well and did find some work, most of the offers I turned down. The reasons were simple.

They wanted us to shoot the level we did shoot for the price they were paying others who couldn't shoot that level were getting. The fear was if we shoot magazine quality sets for them, they might start submitting. Sites that didn't have a cash flow problem could of taken out markets, they could of done that with any custom shooters work. Thank fully they couldn't.

To say they didn't is just showing them up as businessmen. Selling a set they bought for $300 for $3,000 seems to be a great way to make even more money. They could afford to pay someone to do it full time for $300 a set and have no extra work.

Paul, people are getting/have gotten the wrong idea about you.

I think I need to re-post the documentary vids so that people can see the REAL Paul Markham

However, I fear that posting them at the bottom of the page like this will be fruitless

Therefore I will post at the top of the NEXT page!!!

re-posting for everyone that missed the first one..