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03-12-2011, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by MaDalton

i know a guy who told me how he was selling copied porn VHS tapes from his car trunk after the border opened to eastern germany in 1989. he made very decent money from that

I bet there's still guys that do that in Asia and South America.

If only it were all that simple today. Me and every other guy in porn (except the thieves with file share, bit torrent, and illegit tubes) wishes it was just a bunch of "guys selling tapes out of the trunk of their car" again.

Hell, I bet Hollywood and the recording industry wish it was still that way.

But it ain't. Starting at the end of 2007 and then totally exploding in '08...piracy gutted the porn industry. And though Fabian had absolutely nothing to do with much of anything other than the original programming of NATS...he did slither himself into position of being the front man for the biggest illegit tubes in the world.

And now he compounds the problem by running an ad network on The Pirate Bay.

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03-13-2011, 11:43 PM

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So you made 7 million a month, 84 million a year? Where the fuck is all that money man!? You look like you live in a trailer park!

Hahahahahahaha HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA hahahahahahaha

Just got back from a wedding this weekend in Houston. Oh BOY how I've missed this thread!

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03-13-2011, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

And now he compounds the problem by running an ad network on The Pirate Bay.

Just to make this clear....

We do not run an ad network on TPB. We are testing one ad on TPB. We run an ad network for all our ads on all websites and for affiliates. Makes controlling the ads much easier... you should try it ..

Then again, I'm just the geek who programmed NATS... I obviously have no clue about this stuff...

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03-14-2011, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

I bet there's still guys that do that in Asia and South America.

It's completly out of hand on this side of the world. Music, porn, Hollywood movies, games... game boxes, players, clothes, jewelry... you name it. They literally copy EVERYTHING and sell it. Even the shit that can't be copied, they copy. Example, along with the bootleg iphones (that work just as good as the real ones), we have mini iPhones that came from China. The iPad was perfectly copied within a week. They even bootleg X-Boxes and Play Stations. It's insane. Most everything you buy over here is a bootleg and that can even apply to your TV. Uncrackable software, cracked.

I don't buy bootleg DVDs off the street because they are shit most of the time. So I'll go to a real store and pay extra to get a "real" DVD in the box with perfect quality. But even the real DVDs sold in legit stores are copies. Just good ones. I've yet to find honest real DVDs (or software) for sale here.

The Chinese have MASTERED copying everything. From child porn to Rolex watches to guns to Gucci hand bags to phones and everything in between.
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03-14-2011, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

It's completly out of hand on this side of the world. Music, porn, Hollywood movies, games... game boxes, players, clothes, jewelry... you name it. They literally copy EVERYTHING and sell it. Even the shit that can't be copied, they copy. Example, along with the bootleg iphones (that work just as good as the real ones), we have mini iPhones that came from China. The iPad was perfectly copied within a week. They even bootleg X-Boxes and Play Stations. It's insane. Most everything you buy over here is a bootleg and that can even apply to your TV. Uncrackable software, cracked.

I don't buy bootleg DVDs off the street because they are shit most of the time. So I'll go to a real store and pay extra to get a "real" DVD in the box with perfect quality. But even the real DVDs sold in legit stores are copies. Just good ones. I've yet to find honest real DVDs (or software) for sale here.

The Chinese have MASTERED copying everything. From child porn to Rolex watches to guns to Gucci hand bags to phones and everything in between.

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03-14-2011, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

The Chinese have MASTERED copying everything. From child porn to Rolex watches to guns to Gucci hand bags to phones and everything in between.

i've been seeing knock off mercedes popping up lately. i think they're coming in from Korea?

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03-14-2011, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

Hell, I bet Hollywood and the recording industry wish it was still that way.

True, they are REALLY hurting with their consecutive record breaking years.

30 billion dollars worth of hurt

http://mpaa.org/resources/b14b3a65-e...9b953a286e.pdf

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03-14-2011, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Nathan

Then again, I'm just the geek who programmed NATS... I obviously have no clue about this stuff...

And more importantly you are one of the guys that bought Brazzers.

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

It's completly out of hand on this side of the world. Music, porn, Hollywood movies, games... game boxes, players, clothes, jewelry... you name it. They literally copy EVERYTHING and sell it. Even the shit that can't be copied, they copy. Example, along with the bootleg iphones (that work just as good as the real ones), we have mini iPhones that came from China. The iPad was perfectly copied within a week. They even bootleg X-Boxes and Play Stations. It's insane. Most everything you buy over here is a bootleg and that can even apply to your TV. Uncrackable software, cracked.

I don't buy bootleg DVDs off the street because they are shit most of the time. So I'll go to a real store and pay extra to get a "real" DVD in the box with perfect quality. But even the real DVDs sold in legit stores are copies. Just good ones. I've yet to find honest real DVDs (or software) for sale here.

The Chinese have MASTERED copying everything. From child porn to Rolex watches to guns to Gucci hand bags to phones and everything in between.

Damn!! Thats pretty scary.

My "Hollywood Undead" music video comes out tomorrow. Will make a thread and back story thread tomorrow.

DWB is one of the few that got a sneak peak.

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03-14-2011, 12:28 PM

Anything good happening?
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03-14-2011, 12:30 PM

Fabian, We must get this thread back on track. Back to business!
I've waited very patiently.
It's agonizing.
What will Paul's script be about???
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03-14-2011, 12:33 PM

Reggie, SAF scenes are simple, I sent him a sample file we usually send a normal producer.

If he finds one of the 3 in there ok, he can take it and go with it, if not I will get him another file with better fitting scene suggestions.

He has the new version of the contract which includes pre-payment. He needs to let me know if its ok, but he is in the UK right now.

I have decided to have one of our normal shooters shoot the same scene, and then we compare the two versions and see which one we all like best... it'll be a big GFY event!

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03-14-2011, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

Reggie, SAF scenes are simple, I sent him a sample file we usually send a normal producer.

If he finds one of the 3 in there ok, he can take it and go with it, if not I will get him another file with better fitting scene suggestions.

He has the new version of the contract which includes pre-payment. He needs to let me know if its ok, but he is in the UK right now.

I have decided to have one of our normal shooters shoot the same scene, and then we compare the two versions and see which one we all like best... it'll be a big GFY event!

Just when I thought this couldn't get any better, you drop this!
Fabian, wow, this is f---ing awesome..

Also, "I sent him a sample file we usually send a normal producer"... can you post this sample file or its trailer somewhere?
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03-14-2011, 12:40 PM

Or is the sample file a "text" file... if so can you post that???
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03-14-2011, 12:43 PM

it includes pictures, hard to post, I would also prefer not posting it so openly, do not need every competition to know how we do these files.

I can send it to you if you want...

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03-14-2011, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

it includes pictures, hard to post, I would also prefer not posting it so openly, do not need every competition to know how we do these files.

I can send it to you if you want...

Ok sure, thanks, I will email you my contact info.
I will certainly keep it confidential... BUT, am I allowed to include it (or Paul looking at and consulting it, if he happens to do that while I'm there) while I'm shooting the documentary footage?

Also, PAUL, man, still haven't heard in which country you plan to shoot this!?! Please advise! I know you're in England now... might you shoot there? If not, where? In which country do you reside, btw?
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03-14-2011, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by ReggieDurango

Also, PAUL, man, still haven't heard in which country you plan to shoot this!?! Please advise! I know you're in England now... might you shoot there? If not, where? In which country do you reside, btw?

And Paul, if you've already posted in which country the shoot will take place, I'm sorry, I missed it. I, at some point, will read ALL of your posts in this thread in their entirety, but for now I don't have the time to look for this info...
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03-14-2011, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by ReggieDurango

And Paul, if you've already posted in which country the shoot will take place, I'm sorry, I missed it. I, at some point, will read ALL of your posts in this thread in their entirety, but for now I don't have the time to look for this info...

im sure he resides in czech and mentioned shooting there or at least using czech girls. .. maybe i dreamt it. .
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03-14-2011, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

I have decided to have one of our normal shooters shoot the same scene, and then we compare the two versions and see which one we all like best... it'll be a big GFY event!

Very professional and fair! Will gladly vote.

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03-14-2011, 02:05 PM

i was reading many westerners basically survive bu buying that shit and selling it on ebay to people back home, or shipping it to their buddies for resale.

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

It's completly out of hand on this side of the world. Music, porn, Hollywood movies, games... game boxes, players, clothes, jewelry... you name it. They literally copy EVERYTHING and sell it. Even the shit that can't be copied, they copy. Example, along with the bootleg iphones (that work just as good as the real ones), we have mini iPhones that came from China. The iPad was perfectly copied within a week. They even bootleg X-Boxes and Play Stations. It's insane. Most everything you buy over here is a bootleg and that can even apply to your TV. Uncrackable software, cracked.

I don't buy bootleg DVDs off the street because they are shit most of the time. So I'll go to a real store and pay extra to get a "real" DVD in the box with perfect quality. But even the real DVDs sold in legit stores are copies. Just good ones. I've yet to find honest real DVDs (or software) for sale here.

The Chinese have MASTERED copying everything. From child porn to Rolex watches to guns to Gucci hand bags to phones and everything in between.
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03-14-2011, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Agent 488

i was reading many westerners basically survive bu buying that shit and selling it on ebay to people back home, or shipping it to their buddies for resale.

Fabian, what do YOU think should/can be done about this intensity? Anything? Does the industry just grin and bear it? Is there any way of exploiting it (like the TPB ad) to try to at least make money and do branding?

Paul, how 'bout you, buddy? What is your opinion on China's (we're still talking about China right?) bootlegging intenseness?

...somehow I won't be surprised if Paul somehow has Manwin to blame for it!!!! Not Fabian but hahahahahahaha maybe???
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03-14-2011, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

Reggie, SAF scenes are simple, I sent him a sample file we usually send a normal producer.

If he finds one of the 3 in there ok, he can take it and go with it, if not I will get him another file with better fitting scene suggestions.

He has the new version of the contract which includes pre-payment. He needs to let me know if its ok, but he is in the UK right now.

I have decided to have one of our normal shooters shoot the same scene, and then we compare the two versions and see which one we all like best... it'll be a big GFY event!

This thread is getting really good.

Originally posted by Nathan

it includes pictures, hard to post, I would also prefer not posting it so openly, do not need every competition to know how we do these files.

I can send it to you if you want...

Send me one too.

Shit, I want to compete too. Send me a script, I will bare all of the costs of the same shoot you are paying Paul to do. And i will even not seeking out type of reimbursement.In essence you get a free exclusive scene. Dont really give a shit about the money, just really want to show what i can do. I know what my skill level is and im willing to put my money where my mouth is. Would love to kill 3 birds with one stone. Compete with Paul, Compete with a Brazzers shooter of Nathan's choosing(Will be Bret Brando, im guessing) and tryout for Brazzers all in one shot.

I will even give you a complete uncompressed edit version with my raws.

Put me in coach.

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03-14-2011, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by JustDaveXxx

This thread is getting really good.

Send me one too.

Shit, I want to compete too. Send me a script, I will bare all of the costs of the same shoot you are paying Paul to do. And i will even not seeking out type of reimbursement.In essence you get a free exclusive scene. Dont really give a shit about the money, just really want to show what i can do. I know what my skill level is and im willing to put my money where my mouth is. Would love to kill 3 birds with one stone. Compete with Paul, Compete with a Brazzers shooter of Nathan's choosing(Will be Bret Brando, im guessing) and tryout for Brazzers all in one shot.

I will even give you a complete uncompressed edit version with my raws.

Put me in coach.

NICE JustDaveXXX, You just made this thread EVEN better! Where do you live and shoot? I want to include you doing this in the documentary!!!
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03-14-2011, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by ReggieDurango

NICE JustDaveXXX, You just made this thread EVEN better! Where do you live and shoot? I want to include you doing this in the documentary!!!

Los Angeles, Porn Valley my friend.

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03-14-2011, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by JustDaveXxx

Los Angeles, Porn Valley my friend.

Solid, me too! When are you shooting this???
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03-14-2011, 09:21 PM

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Los Angeles, Porn Valley my friend.

Go get em Dave. Putting your money where your mouth is.

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03-14-2011, 09:32 PM

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Go get em Dave. Putting your money where your mouth is.

PORNO DAN, HOW THE HECK ARE YOU?!? Welcome to the party. It's been several months since I've seen you.

Isn't this thread ridiculous?

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03-14-2011, 09:48 PM

You know what, this IS getting really interesting...

Maybe we should make this a contest What do you guys think!?

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03-14-2011, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

You know what, this IS getting really interesting...

Maybe we should make this a contest What do you guys think!?

Abso F*CKING lutely!
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03-14-2011, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

You know what, this IS getting really interesting...

Maybe we should make this a contest What do you guys think!?

Im down. I will compete with anybody, anytime on anything related to straight or fetish porn. My stills and Video are good.

This is easy. Not only, will i do the solo to script specs, i will have a top male come in and rock this girl in a B/G scene as an encore performance.

I will do my own Lighting, stills, Video, Video editing and i will pay for everything out of my own pocket to show you what i can do. There is zero risk on Brazzers part and everything to gain.

Call it: The 1st "The Brazzers Shooter's Cup" Invitational.

I do respect all shooters and everyone on this board, but i do think my quality level is that good.

"Lets get it on"

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03-14-2011, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by JustDaveXxx

Call it: The 1st "The Brazzers Shooter's Cup"

Good name, will this be the first installment of an annual event???

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03-15-2011, 12:00 AM

This is Great, will discuss it with my guys today!

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03-15-2011, 12:10 AM

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This is Great, will discuss it with my guys today!

I think all the Fabian-Haters out there should realize that the guy likes good times just as much as anyone else does!
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03-15-2011, 12:16 AM

They will never grasp that! It's useless to think they would ever realize they were wrong... But the most important thing: I could not care less!

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03-15-2011, 01:54 AM

Three cheers for Nathan/Fabian. What a fantastic human being he is. Oh, rot in hell thief.

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03-15-2011, 03:49 AM

CZECH REPUBLIC DAY EXT

Extreme WS of the Czech countryside as dawn breaks (shot from a helicopter), We see a beautiful town on the horizon BRNO.

The Camera picks up a cyclist on a pretty country road.

COUNTRY ROAD DAY EXT

A beautiful Czech girl SOPHIE is cycyling. Her long blonde hair is bowing in the wind, her legs pumping away.

BRNO STREET DAY EXT

SOPHIE arrives outside a shop, she looks into the window.

SHOP WINDOW EXT DAY

We see a Rabbit Vibrator "NEW IN THE CZECH REPUBLIC" only 50 kr.

STREET DAY EXT

SOPHIE pulls some notes from her pocket, she counts them, digs further into her pocket and pulls out some more coins. We see the disappointment in her face.

SOPHIE walks along the street pushing her bike along.

As she passes another shop an ADVERT catches her eye.....

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03-15-2011, 04:02 AM

Weeeeeeeeeeee getting interesting now

How to judge a competition though?

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03-15-2011, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by plsureking

i've been seeing knock off mercedes popping up lately. i think they're coming in from Korea?

You know, I have been wondering this very same thing for a long time. Why aren't they copying cars? There is actually a Merc "with toyota engine" for sale on thaivisa at the moment. I am no expert on cars, but that doesn't sound quite right to me....

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03-15-2011, 05:17 AM

this just got good!
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03-15-2011, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by Cherry7

CZECH REPUBLIC DAY EXT

Extreme WS of the Czech countryside as dawn breaks (shot from a helicopter), We see a beautiful town on the horizon BRNO.

The Camera picks up a cyclist on a pretty country road.

COUNTRY ROAD DAY EXT

A beautiful Czech girl SOPHIE is cycyling. Her long blonde hair is bowing in the wind, her legs pumping away.

BRNO STREET DAY EXT

SOPHIE arrives outside a shop, she looks into the window.

SHOP WINDOW EXT DAY

We see a Rabbit Vibrator "NEW IN THE CZECH REPUBLIC" only 50 kr.

STREET DAY EXT

SOPHIE pulls some notes from her pocket, she counts them, digs further into her pocket and pulls out some more coins. We see the disappointment in her face.

SOPHIE walks along the street pushing her bike along.

As she passes another shop an ADVERT catches her eye.....

HAHAHAHA
I think Paul should have no problem hiring a helicopter for the shoot!
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03-16-2011, 08:06 AM

PAAAAUUUUL! Where are you Paul...???????????
Paul/Fabian - did Paul get the $?

Paul, I know you're in "England" - but don't they have the internet in "England" ???
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03-16-2011, 09:35 AM

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PAAAAUUUUL! Where are you Paul...???????????
Paul/Fabian - did Paul get the $?

Paul, I know you're in "England" - but don't they have the internet in "England" ???

no no internet here!
I guess he's just taking a break offline, away from it all!!
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03-16-2011, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Cherry7

CZECH REPUBLIC DAY EXT

Extreme WS of the Czech countryside as dawn breaks (shot from a helicopter), We see a beautiful town on the horizon BRNO.

The Camera picks up a cyclist on a pretty country road.

COUNTRY ROAD DAY EXT

A beautiful Czech girl SOPHIE is cycyling. Her long blonde hair is bowing in the wind, her legs pumping away.

BRNO STREET DAY EXT

SOPHIE arrives outside a shop, she looks into the window.

SHOP WINDOW EXT DAY

We see a Rabbit Vibrator "NEW IN THE CZECH REPUBLIC" only 50 kr.

STREET DAY EXT

SOPHIE pulls some notes from her pocket, she counts them, digs further into her pocket and pulls out some more coins. We see the disappointment in her face.

SOPHIE walks along the street pushing her bike along.

As she passes another shop an ADVERT catches her eye.....

Brno is getting famous, cool. i gotta watch that from my terrasse

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03-16-2011, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Altwebdesign

no no internet here!
I guess he's just taking a break offline, away from it all!!

DAMN Paul, why didn't you tell me, I would have loved to have come along on your vacation filming the week before you shoot the scene...

Are any of Paul's reps here? Please tell him I'd like to know where he's at and meet him at his current location!

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03-16-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by ReggieDurango

DAMN Paul, why didn't you tell me, I would have loved to have come along on your vacation filming the week before you shoot the scene...

Are any of Paul's reps here? Please tell him I'd like to know where he's at and meet him at his current location!

He is in England and he said he was going to be visiting family. Good luck with that plane trip

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03-16-2011, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by MisterPeabody

It's easier to get thread views today than it was in the past, apparently. Damn Paul!

Porn will continue to be a viable Industry for years to come but the shakeup and shakeout will mean fewer "players". The problem, long term, is the shrinking customer base. Guys in their 40's+ still buy porn for various reasons (convenience, they have the income, they know what they like after a lifetime of experimenting, they like ownership, etc etc). But in 10 years or so the "younger generation" will be middle-aged, and the 20's-30's out there, who will then be in their 30's-40's, will buy less and less because they were weaned on free porn their whole lives.

Of course, by then most of us will have retired, died, been arrested, all three....LOL

Yes a few will make a living for many years. But as you point out the older generation will cease to buy and won't be replaced by the younger one. And companies like Brazzers will swallow up many of the other main stream ones.

The problem isn't piracy, it's been with us since video, though in those days it was rarely free. As Madalton pointed out they were selling pirated videos. So someone was buying. The route problem is the cost to have massive Tube sites with 100s to 1,000 of full length videos. And even if piracy does go away they will still be here.

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03-16-2011, 12:06 PM

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03-16-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by ReggieDurango

Fabian, We must get this thread back on track. Back to business!
I've waited very patiently.
It's agonizing.
What will Paul's script be about???

I'm back and have a full day tomorrow, so will look at it all Friday.

Originally posted by Nathan

it includes pictures, hard to post, I would also prefer not posting it so openly, do not need every competition to know how we do these files.

I can send it to you if you want...

Absolutely nothing special about the script. Giving a bad script to a good shooter will result in a good scene. Giving a good script to a bad shooter will result in a bad scene.

Give it to the guy who shot the 3 girl scene or the solo scene of the girl outdoors with a golf ball. Will review some more scenes soon.

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03-16-2011, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by ReggieDurango

Fabian, what do YOU think should/can be done about this intensity? Anything? Does the industry just grin and bear it? Is there any way of exploiting it (like the TPB ad) to try to at least make money and do branding?

Paul, how 'bout you, buddy? What is your opinion on China's (we're still talking about China right?) bootlegging intenseness?

...somehow I won't be surprised if Paul somehow has Manwin to blame for it!!!! Not Fabian but hahahahahahaha maybe???

The only thing that will save most of this industry is very strict Government laws that are enforced or a hiking of BW prices back to a level where it's no longer profitable to give away loads of free porn to get someone to pay to advertise on a Tube site. Neither will happen soon.

For a few the hiking of the members area will help, with so many sites churning out the same content the customers have too many choices. Live action might help. but it has to be good live action, not a live version of what I see on so many sites.

Read what I wrote first of all.

Lousy shooting budgets = Bad shooters making elementary mistakes that would have most good shooters cringing. Brazzers scenes are littered with them and they are better than a lot.

Lousy models = A plastic scene with no real emotion and no real drawing power. Customers want to see models with personality, character and really enjoying themselves. What they see is a girl faking her way through a scene. The same as the last girl faked her way through a scene.

First has to be budget. You simply can't make a silk purse with a sows ear budget. No matter how good a shooter is, if he's working on a shoe string. He's not got a lot of time, money or incentive to produce great porn.

Second has to be models. For a number of reasons. They have seen porn on the Internet and think what they saw is what is right. Often it's not. It's faked badly and shot on a shoestring.

Also their attitude. Todays models are far harder to work with. Prior to the Internet and the deluge of porn production if a model fucked up or failed to deliver the goods, she was soon out of work. Unless very very beautiful. Today there are too many places she can work badly and not have it effect her career.

And many have picked up bad habits from shooters who don't know better or accept them.

If the model wasn't doing it right, there was no, "Shooting something so the day isn't a complete loss." It was "Go home.". Because paying her/him and the film wasn't worth it. Best to lose the M/U fee, Boys/girls fee and other costs than add to the disaster throwing more money after lost money.

Even with digital we would just give up and call it a day. Assuming we couldn't turn a couple shoot into a solo shoot.

The ease of selling. This has a lot to do with it. When selling a set to an editor he had 8 slots to fill and often 50+ sets to choose from. If your work wasn't good, not good enough, it didn't get accepted and even then it might not get used. We were paid on publication. What is accepted today would never get accepted by an editor.

Similar goes for the good video markets. They had more than enough work submitted to them. So if it wasn't good it wasn't accepted.

It's easier to sell today and harder to produce good work.

I'm going to watch TV.

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03-16-2011, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

Three cheers for Nathan/Fabian. What a fantastic human being he is. Oh, rot in hell thief.

Says the pimp.

I'm out.
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03-16-2011, 02:05 PM

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