It's harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days.

Yes I'm going to shoot it and already have some things in place.

I think this better than anything SO FAR in this thread shows the industry growth.



The biggest biller has suffered over the last 2 years and no others have taken up the loss.

Not even Epoch.

Might try for one of the best girls as budget isn't a problem. and will try to make them put everything into it as budget isn't a problem. If she doesn't will send her home and shoot it with another girl as getting it right is the aim, not in on a limited budget.

I expect even if I produce the most outstanding porn scene ever most will flame me. I'm in a lose, lose situation. Why am I doing it? $3,000 spends in the shops. Bro points doesn't.

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Either I'm bad at explaining myself or people won't see it.

Over all the industry for paid porn is down. Not cams or dating. Paid action porn that has been the main money maker for decades.

Instead of looking at the models of the other parts of the porn industry and seeing where they got it right and where they got it wrong and what cause their massive decline. This industry carried on in isolation.

What brought down a lot of porn companies was filling the shelves with cheap content, in the belief that the more titles the more revenue. Didn't happen. These label/brands lost customer loyalty. The best brands picked it up.

The other real harm was free porn on the Internet. The magazines couldn't really compete overall. A few have stayed and will go eventually, but the only thing that kept them was customer loyalty.

Putting up more and more sites with low to average level quality porn has 2 effects. It makes it easier for a competitor to open a porn site and loses retention and customer loyalty.

Adding more and more free porn to the Internet teaches people not to spend.

Learn from others, their mistakes and their achievements.

Both Brighton and Brno are very nice towns. Anyone leaving there should be happy.

It required a considerable amount of technical skill to produce pictures for magazines back in the days of film, had to be shot on colour reversal slide material, with little tolerance for poor exposure.


Damian is very talented with words.

A sofa is no quide to a persons worth.

Who cares if someone is succesful, rich or poor, makes moneys or doesn't - is that how we judge our friends?

paul.. using ccbill.com is a bad idea since bill.ccbill.com is the actual join page, which is the only domain that matters, that graph does not show you that...

With epoch though, the domain for the join page is wnu.com .... check that one on alexa ;)

And your comparison with Paul Raymond Publications, LFP, Goldstar, Swank, Crescent, Score, David Sullivan's porn company, Northern & Shell, Private, Penthouse, Playboy, Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel is rather funny... I would say only 2 of those are close to our size: LFP and Playboy. Every other one is BY FAR smaller than us. Both employee and revenue wise.

You really do not get our size Paul, sorry... You are comparing apples and oranges here..

the point is, theyre not friends. ..

Spoilsport, I was enjoying laughing at him and his Alexa skillz.

Can't we all just get along

Some more interesting stats.





And it doesn't take a genius to see where the customers are going.
No industry can withstand traffic loss like that for long.



But I'm wrong because I'm too old.

I don't know about being harder, but it's certainly more expensive

The print industry accepted digital from about 2002. They preferred slides, but would take Digital. From 2005 it all went digital.

Getting the exposure right was a little harder on film than digital, which was why we used light meters. The most important thing with light was reflected light, if the light bounced back into the lens it made the pictures look diffused and wouldn't print properly.

The main reason that few came into this market was bad business or unable. Unable to get the framing, poses and the looks right.

It's not just the sofa, it's the room it's in.

Who cares? The people at the shops.

You wouldn't of bought those companies for $110 million 15 years ago. Which was what I said. As for what Adult.com and the rest of Lensman empire was sold for. Well that's a reflection.

I have no doubt Manwin is the biggest now. But never the biggest ever. And the Adult Internet isn't making anything like the money the other avenues of porn made. I doubt if you know who some of those companies are, so how can you tell?

Go search the Internet first. And do some calculations. Remember offline porn would of sold more than online porn because it was more stable. As everyone says, the Internet moves fast and can change in a matter of months. People don't pay for future earnings with online business like they do offline business. It's to hazardous.

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They have grown, just not enough to take up the loss from CCBILL.

Also I missed some of the other big European porn houses.

Brazzers traffic has dropped from 0.25% to 0.15% in 2 y3ears. Not a good indication.

And neither is the growth in Tube traffic.

Remember what I said in a few years time. Ignore it today at your peril.

Paul,

there are only very few companies that have public information available from "back in the day"... one of them is Private. Their 1997 numbers were not good at all. And they never really got much higher than that.

I know the other companies you mentioned. Playboy, yes, revenue wise very big... employee wise very big, but profit margin was always horrible.

Penthouse, went bankrupt in what, 2003? And not because of online porn... Also, New York Times quoted Guccione in saying the company grossed 4 billion USD in its lifespan... on avg that would be 133m per year. Net income half a billion USD, avg a year only 17m! Again, not big.

Vivid, Forbes Mag estimates Vivid's revenue a year at 100m USD. Although I do not believe this ever was the case, it again is not horribly high. I am again sure their net income margin was horrible even if this is true.

Northern & Shell, sadly not much public info, but the sale of their adult mags did not stir much, so could not have been so big.

Magna (Swank), very little info sadly, and I know little about their history, so...

Score Group... no idea in terms of size, lots of content though...,would love to buy them, so if anyone is reading this, talk to me!

David Sullivan and David Gold as far as I know owned Goldstar, so you listed Sullivan and Goldstar seperately as if its two things.. but I might be wrong here of course... again, very little info, considering David Gold sold a charter airline for just 4.4m pounds a few years ago, his porn stuff must have not really made him that much money <G>

Paul Raymond Publications was 19m profit in 1999 according to the guardian. The guardian also claims in 2001 it released 8 of the top 10 mags in UK, which would hint towards those other companies like Goldstar for example making less than Paul Raymond...

So all in all, I am not finding anything huge as you keep claiming... that is much bigger than anything online....

LFP is the only one I am horribly unsure about... but MOST of those, I would have bought for 110m easily (I did not buy Mansef for 110m USD btw). 110m would be way too much for most actually in my opinion.

BTW, regarding your wisdom about alexa stats.... http://siteanalytics.compete.com/pornhub.com+tube8.com/

Also, brazzers.com might be dropping in traffic, good thing we have more than one site and good thing we learn more about conversion every day

Stupid me, should have checked wikipedia for LFP....

Estimated 135m revenue in 1998. Although it also said hustler mag's circulation was very high in the 1970s, but even then.. revenue would not have been that much higher, and we all know how bad margins magazines have in general.

20m profit from casino, being the biggest sector in terms of profit, in 2007...

markham, are those your ECG graphs? couldnt resist

Via the Wiki, In 2001 .. Larry Flynt stated his net worth as $400 million.

That's of course all of his goodies combined and a life long business adventure.

Paul:
"And the Adult Internet isn't making anything like the money the other avenues of porn made."

Paul, you precious thing. Your extreme ignorance is almost endearing.

-The internet is growing. Every year more people in more countries get internet access.
-Porn is one of the biggest genres of entertainment media consumed on the internet.
-More and more people each year are getting credit cards and/or the ability to make financial transactions online.

You are acting like a retarded person by not acknowledging these simple, obvious facts.
Perhaps you are an Idiot Savant? Dustin Hoffman's "Raymond"?

Have you shot Fabian's scene yet? What's the hold up?
Fabian, has Paul signed his contract and if so, is "the money in motion" ???

Paul, you IDIOT, I'm just going to post your quote again for effect (or is it spelled 'affect' in this usage? I don't feel like looking it up, so forgive me for the potential typo, ChristianXXX!!!):

"And the Adult Internet isn't making anything like the money the other avenues of porn made."
...Paul, all signs point to internet = the future. Remember back in the 90's when the rest of us realized that?