It's harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days.

I told you the price $3,000 for a solo girl set and a video.

Of course this is subject to seeing your script. It might go up or down, it's based on what we used to shoot.

Solo girl content.

If you want something more involved the price will rise. If you want something very amateur the price will lower. Happy to keep the conversation here as well as by email. Will email you in a minute.

Paul,

check out shesafreak.com ... that style. We usually do 2 or 3 scenes per girl though when we do a shoot. So tell me an approx price for that, then I will get it going.

If Markham ever has the balls to man up and actually shoot something for Fabian, I will double the fee personally, and give my half to the cancer charity of Paul's choosing.

I am honestly looking forward to this to be honest... I'd love to see what he can do for us....

I'll wager it won't happen, but I admire your enthusiasm.

It would be hilarious to actually see him try and make something today. After admitting himself that his own content isn't up to today's standards.

No you misunderstand me. That's exactly my point. The site owners buying and shooting totally move the market. Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel and more set their standards high. Generally speaking the Adult Internet set their standards low.

Yes models have always faked it, but now it seems the vast majority do and do it very badly. Where as in the past fewer did and more did it better. Part of this is due to buyers pushing producers to over produce in a day. Many solo girl sites, ATK, Karups, Mayer wanted shooter to do 5 sets and videos in a day. Very, very few girls can or will climax 5 times in front of a camera in one day. Even on BG some wanted 3 scenes in a day, not possible to shoot it right. So the controlling factor was get it done and move onto the next scene.

If you give me a pass into your site I will take a look and offer some tips from a different aspect. Done this for a few sites and the only one I went public about was Brazzers. Because Manwin have no problem going public with other peoples content and so many were screaming it was good. I gave Nathan some tips on how to improve his content. Which he agreed was good and said he would forward to his shooters.

Maybe that's one of the problems with this side of the industry. Instead of going to see what the DVD industry is doing, going to the shows, buying and studying the product, it remains very insular and feeling superior that driving traffic is some sort of art.

My analysis of the business is very plain. We spend too much time, money and attention to driving traffic as if it's the solution to all problems. And too little time to the actual product, as if so long as we throw enough traffic at it something will stick.

The truth is the more traffic we got the more traffic we needed to achieve the same result. Yet today the answer is still more traffic.

We should not ignore traffic completely, but bring some balance to the difference.

The old business was very different. You were not paid until a set was published.Or on a video until a very wary and experienced buy bought it. Except with commissioned work and even then if it was wrong you might get it given back to you.

During my reviewing of sites I have yet to find a set that would of been published. The mistakes are very basic and an editor would just give the set back and if you didn't improve stop looking at your work. If you didn't improve you went bankrupt. A similar situation occurred in the video industry.

The retention of buyers to a magazine or video title was awesome. Because buyers knew next months edition would be as good as last months.

Today the situation is very different on the Adult Internet will take nearly anything in the belief that quantity is better of quality and the result is sites full of low quality filler content.

Brazzers would be better off IMO adding 2 scenes a day instead of 3 and spending the same money to get the scenes right. And that goes for a lot of sites. Adding more of the same low quality cloned scenes isn't really a great reason to stay. The next site has the same niche, similar style. Yet shot a different way so more appealing.

You might lose your wager.

Emailed Fabian a few minutes ago.

The only variation is the price according to the script.

Can't wait to see it Paul. Really. Can't wait.

I can confirm, he eMailed me... I will let you know if we come to an agreement so everyone knows and can wait for it...

You can see my content everywhere. Don't forget non exclusive is saturated.

Yes Fabian and I will keep you all posted on this.

How many scenes do you want Fabian?

Fabian's email

My reply.

I'm off to have something to eat. Back in a bit. LOL

Honest to god. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for this epic deal to be done and you to shoot for Fabien.

Don't break for lunch Paul, hammer out the deal.

Had lunch, then a sleep. Need to sleep often during the day. Due to the therapy.

Fabian hasn't replied yet, so not missed anything.

Need to wait for Montreal to wake up ;)

Paul,

Here are all the info you need for SAF:

VIDEO SPECS
We usually ask to shoot SAF on AVCHD or on XDCAM EX 1080p30. Both are good for us. Videos should all have three parts to them, meaning that every scene counts as 3 scenes. Each scene should have the same girl doing a solo in 3 different locations or settings and wearing 3 different wardrobes.

PICTURE SPECS
Since the scenes are split in three parts, each part should have at least 300 pictures.

SCRIPTS
We always send scripts for scenes, but they are usually more like guidelines for wardrobe and setting. The actions totally depend on the girls we get, some of them go a bit further than others. We usually write the scripts before we book the girls so it's usually up to the director to feel the girl's limits and give us the best they can to cater to the SAF members.

Considering that, tell me a price...

Same girl of course... same location...

i've been working on a short porn script that might be perfect for this.

summary: an old retired porn shooter sneaks into the offices of a new porn company to measure the staff bathrooms to get an idea of their revenue.

he measure a few washrooms then walks into one where a porn actress visiting is masturbating. she invites him to drop the tape measure and fuck her.

i will provide the rest upon request.

Why anyone gives this BROKE old retard Paul Markham any time is beyond me

It was only a few months ago when he was begging for money because he doesn't have his own bank account, didn't have any cash, didn't even have his own cash card or even his own credit card.

He doesn't even notice if his join links work on his site. A site has no working join links and he doesn't notice, what does that tell you about his average daily sales?

The man is broke, stupid and boring.

No that's 3 scenes. So the price is $9,000.

As I said it's about people paying me $3,000 for a scene. 1 girl, 1, location/setting, 1 wardrobe and 200 pics. Shooting 300 would be no problem though. This is 3 scenes.

If I was to shoot that in the days I worked I would have 3 scenes which was worth $9,000.

3 scenes of 200 images and 3 videos of 12 to 20 minutes each.

The moment we have to redress the model, move the lights, reset the lights, go through a strip and action it's 3 scene.

Nice try but pay me $3,000 per scene or don't bother.

Damian will be pleased.

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bjlover. People gave me a lot of time and money when I worked, which wasn't so long ago. We sold non exclusive for far far more than any one shooting exclusive THEN and now. And that's what clowns like you refuse to get. In 2000 to 2008 we were shooting scenes that earned us far more money than Dean, Jim, Brian, Aaron, or any custom shooter could dream of. Nothing to do with TODAY this is about yesterday. These guys who you think are great worked for a lot less than we would.

Today they have no options in 2005 to 2008 they did. Bad shooters or businessmen, what do you think?

And the excuse I couldn't be bothered is the most stupid. It's like an affiliate saying I can't be bothered to move to a sponsor who is worth more for the same traffic or a sponsor ignoring 50% of his traffic. The most honest would be "I couldn't compete in that market."

Any shooter who wants to argue that need only post here the site he would like me to review the content of, to get the truth.

My anger is due to clowns like you posting insults with absolutely nothing to base them on.

We had money, the problem was the way our banking was structured. I was locked out of the account when Eva had her accident. We had staff, hosting, rent and a few other bills to pay and no access to our funds. So I asked around the boards and on my mail out if anyone wanted to do a deal.

Once I had access to the accounts, had to get a lawyer onto it and wait for Eva to be in ward she could have visitors we got the documents signed and witnessed by the lawyer and I had access to the accounts.

Biggest mistake I ever made in business and I accept it.

Can't please everybody I guess... 9000 is definitely not happening for the same girl. Your costs are rather simply structured. This is not a deal about you making the same money as you made when you did a shoot and then sold it later.

The point also is more about seeing what you can do that is so much better. 3000 for such 3 scenes is clearly not little money, its quite a lot actually.. 12 to 20 minutes will not cut it either though anyway to be honest... Scene must be much longer than that...

This is also not a "nice try" ... let's do a BG scene instead, how much do you want for that? It will be easier, you asked for the solo girl thing...

Bumping it to show people what Fabian is like. Says he will pay me $3,000 for 1 scene. Then turns 1 scene into 3 scenes.

Same girl, same building. But still 3 scenes.

Damian where are you to flame me?

I told Eva and she laughed. Then asked "Do you want to do it?"

For anyone I liked I might think about it, for him No Fucking Way!!!!!

Made me think though, maybe I should phone Trojan and Hustler and ask them if they want some 2-3 girls scenes. Could shoot one of them without a video and make $3,000.

Will keep you all posted, might be fun to do a shoot again. Maybe team up with someone here and do it.

Would be interesting to see if I can still make that from 1 scene.

Thread closed ...

When we shot we were more or less sure of the money it would make. Over the years with experience rarely made any blunders. Sold everything. If it was only for small money to companies like Northern ans Shell or Goldstar. For $600 to $800. Then could put it in the content store and earn on it.

This deal was all about what I used to shoot for and you proved people are not willing or able to pay that kind of money today.

No I promised to shoot something like I used to shoot and earn $3,000 on. Whether it was better or not isn't the question. IT WAS WORTH MORE. And that's the only thing you can bank. Telling the bank manager you shoot great content that doesn't make any money isn't going to buy food.

For you it might be a lot. For me it's little money and why I don't get hungry to shoot again.

We were talking about 1 scene and you turned it into 3 scenes that's deception in anyones language. Or did the bosses in Montreal tell you to stuff it and then told you to change the offer?

We were always talking about 1 scene, 1 girl, 1 set of photos, 1 setting. We were talking about what I used to work for and no one else here could or would.

Your bosses probably told you to Fuck Off.

Of course it was a nice try and you ended up with egg dropping off your face.

BG. will think about it, but we are talking $6,000 ish.

Will be interesting to see if I can see what 1 lesbian scene is worth today. Shot and sold properly.

More or less. Fabian never had any intention of paying $3,000 for a scene. Or his bosses told him no way.

Not even got the balls or ability to put $3,000 on the table to show me up.

it's the old onion with egg on his face. everyone can see it.

oh for fucks sake man

shut your stupid yapping fucking pie hole

seriously

Now, I'm not 100% sure if Markham *actually* thinks he doesn't look stupid here, or if he is just trolling even harder.

Remember kids, 19 HD videos for 150 bucks!

Come on Nathan you know how this guy is. I saw this one coming a mile away.


Im figuring one of two things;

One: is that he needs the extra money to buy the equipment to shoot to your specs. (Im guessing his old ass 70's Beta cam wont do the job.)


Two: This guy wants to price himself well out of reason so that he can still keep posting his outdated statements and general bullshit.


Along with puzzles and bird watching, chatting on GFY is one of Paul's retirement recreational hobby.

Taking you up on your reasonable offer would take all of that away from him. He knows deep down inside that he cannot compete with the level of todays competition and would have issues understanding todays cameras and current camera technology. (He would also have problems finding film for his stills camera, with Kodak not making film anymore and all.)


Failure, which is inevitable for Paul if he took you up on your offer, would give GFY the ammo to throw back at him every time he posts some useless outdated production thread. This is a no win situation for Paul. He will continue to mask the fact that he cannot compete in todays porn market with with todays shooters with his outrageous production quotes.



I on the other hand would love a shot at shooting for your company. I defiantly have the skills, expirence and talent to compete with all of your current shooters.

Hardcore... A brazzers scene... 6000, not a problem. But I simply do not think you would be able to pull it off, we can try if you want, in that case we need a say in talent though...

Solo girl, we simply need to get three scenes or our members will not get enough returning girls...

We also price this rather simple:
Producer fees (photo & video): $800
Talent: $600.00 (for solo)
Location: $500.00
Make-up & Hair: $100.00

Does not sound unreasonable to me, Paul kept complaining about 500 exclusive scenes... This is clearly more..

this is a weird discussion...

betamax ftw ..............

You simply don't get it.

I was asked aboyt getting hungry to work again. I said not at the prices paid by Internet. I then said if anyone wants to pay me what I used to earn I will get hungry again.

The price was $3,000. Fabian agreed. 1 scene for $3,000.

Now he says he doesn't pay that.

Therefore backing up my point.

THE INTERNET DOESN'T PAY WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE ME HUNGRY AGAIN.

Whether I can or cannot shoot as well as you is totally utterly completely irrelevant. I got $3,000 for a solo girl set and video. That's all that matters. It's not a competition based on who shoots the best content. It's business it's about $$$$$$$

There are shooters who can outshoot you and me in a bat of an eyelid. Do they earn more money is the only thing that matters in business.

If you're a better shooter than me and was in 2008 and wasn't selling some work to magazines you're a lousy businessman.

Here you go Fabian again backs up my point.

We also price this rather simple:
Producer fees (photo & video): $800
Talent: $600.00 (for solo)
Location: $500.00
Make-up & Hair: $100.00

What the fuck is $800 to the producer for a days shoot, shooting what I saw on www.shesafreak.com. I can earn far more than that shooting a wedding. Probably earn more churning out stuff for ATK. Will I?

NO FUCKING WAY.

I bet I could earn more shooting for magazines even today. And that's what you guys don't get. Pick up the phone and get marketing. T%here are still magazine sales to be had. Viv Thomas, Steve Colby both still shoot for mags and I know that for a fact. And not for $800 a day.

Fabian back your mouth with your money and pay what you said you would, I'm still willing to shoot it.

I set a price, Fabian agreed then changed his story. I back my word, he doesn't.

And if you missed it. IT'S NOT FABIAN OFFER, HE ACCEPTED MY OFFER.

But you asking for his business shows what you will do to get it. You can take $800 a day. I won't.

Fabian I will shoot three scenes. AT THE PRICE I ORIGINALLY OFFER AND YOU ACCEPTED.

Paul... if it takes you a whole day to shoot basically 90 minutes of video, getting the girl to change 2 times inbetween... that in itself just shows how far from reality you are...

The fee for the producer is $800 because its a simple scene, with very little to do, and it does not take more than a few hours...

That also is our standard rate, which we pay for contract producers, cleanly budgeted shoots. This is not what we pay for tests, which is why I was ok with doing $3000 instead of $2000 for you.... Clearly there is a difference if we commit to buying for example 20 scenes from you a month compared to you doing one test... money changes at that point...

I was curious what you can do... I am not however going to pay you 4 times as much for the same thing which in the end will likely be useless...

12-20 minutes for 3000 usd, you must be insane. That has nothing to do with balls, thats just stupid.

paul your days of making money online are over

just turn off the pc and go mow lawns

Paul, i like you, but at some point you have to understand that your "$3000 for a solo" thing is over and will not come back. it's market rules - supply and demand.

you can shoot for $3000 if you're one of few people who supply and there's a high demand. but it's not like this anymore. 99.9% of the producers would happily shoot 3 solo scenes for $2000.

are they bad photographers? no.

is your shooting style (nowadays) worth $3000 a scene? no.

can anyone shoot a solo nowadays that is worth $3000? hardly - unless it's Playboy Magazine or Penthouse i guess

Barely Legal at some point sold good enough to justify that price. but where can you nowadays put a set and be sure that price would be worth it?

and even then - why would a publisher pay that price when you have tons of qualified producers who have adapted and shoot for a fraction of your price?

it's over, accept it, be happy that you were there during the good times

You are dead on!!


Paul you need to stick to puzzles, checkers, shuffle board and bird watching. Because giving advise on modern day adult video production is definitely not your strong suit.


Finally i think todays video cameras and still cameras are way too heavy for you to handle.




Paul you need to take Nathan up on his offer or shut up. Take something reasonable or be the butt of all of the GFY jokes.


At the end of the day, I think you will do nothing, but "talk and talk and talk and talk and say nothing" at the same time.

You know what...

Paul, what hardware would you use to shoot the video and photos for me?

ya its funny to see some real shooters that are actually still making money add their

i thought the thread was dead, but it got even better. there's no one in this industry that would give Markham $9,000 for 3 solo videos. just shows how out of touch he is.

$9k would be much better spent in the hands of Jim Gunn or one of the other guys. Jim was quoting just a little bit more than that for a 6-scene hardcore DVD.

Paul just keeps saying how nobody in the current market knows anything. lets vote on who 'doesnt get it'. this thread delivers!

Video camera:



Stills camera



That will work for you right?


Now make your 15K check for your one scene out to: "Bat Shit Crazy Entertainment."

Send it to: Fantasy Land. Because thats where Paul lives full-time.

LOL - you can't even order content honestly.


in what world are 3 wardrobe changes and 3 different settings/locations considered to be ONE scene??? that's 3 scenes.

Paul's quote of 9K for that though is ridiculous - 500 per masturbation/outfit/location is reasonable. 9 of those = 4500. You can't get a girl to masturbate 9 times - you can but you'll get horrible fake masturbations. Unless she truly is a freak and maybe 1 out 100 girls in porn are freaks enough to masturbate 9 times in a shooting day.

The market pays what it will pay. This guy I know called me up to shoot for him. He said he pay $300 for the day - take it or leave it. He called me because he was doing me a favor knowing that he could pay someone else that rate and have no problems getting someone. So what do you do, say no to a $300 job.

We can shoot for you at that budget for solo. You can rest assure it will be top notch.

Producer fees (photo & video): $800
Talent: $600.00 (for solo)
Location: $300.00
Lighting: $100
Make-up & Hair: $200.00

You just made my point.. 3 of those you say is 1500.. we pay 2000 standard, I was ok with paying him 3000 for it...

If he expects 3000 per masturbation/outfit/location, then I can not help him...

He clearly does not pay more for the location just because he uses 3 slightly different settings.
He clearly does not pay more for the girl, or he just is an idiot.

So that means he wants _for himself_ most of the extra 3000 USD per scene...

That, sorry.. is just silly.

clarify - your shoots are solo masturbation videos plus pics and you say '3' is the total of scenes - in an earlier post you made it sound like each of these '3' scenes would have 3 different wardrobe changes and background changes. that does total 9 unique videos per girl.

why don't you just say you want 9 solo mast videos with different clothes and background in each?

3K is decent for that but 9 masturbation videos with the same girl is dumb.

I will provide five full videos and all matching stills for $2500 of a NEW fresh hot unseen model.

Wow! No ranting Paul Markham posts? Hope he didn't die from stress due to a difficult puzzle.


Never seen this guy stay away so long from a thread where he is the center of attention.


Take Nathan up on his offer dude. Show all of these guys how it was done in the old days. Shut all of GFY up, once and for all. Show everyone how a "real" content shooter as yourself gets shit done.

That's what he always does. Gets totally pwned, then pretends he hasn't seen the replies.

It's simple in this case, he doesn't have the kit. He's retired.

And he is trolling ALL of you to try, desperately, sadly, pathetically, to sell 19 HD videos for 150 bucks whilst pretending to be retired.

As pointed out, it wasn't that long ago he was begging for money here.

You should all feel sorry for him.

Imagine if your life was so fucking shit that even when you've retired to still have to troll people here to feed your kid.

I agree with you 100%.

However that was not the discussion.

The question was asked about me coming back to shooting. I replied if I could earn $3,000. Never said anything about working for todays prices.

Fabian through challenge and was fine with 1 scene for $3,000. which I agree to subject to seeing the content on his site.

He seemed happy with that and even asked me to price 3 scenes.

Until he contacted Montreal.

An hour later something had changed.

All of a sudden he's changing my offer. $3,000 for a scene like we used to shoot will get me back to shooting. It has to be shot on different cameras, not a problem I can team up with those who have the cameras. BUT, he wants 3 scenes. Not 1. AND asks me to price it.

Then 1 scene became 3 scenes for $3,000. Obviously someone told him what he could or could not offer.

I didn't ask for a solo girl scene. I stated a solo girl scene and he agreed.

We were talking 1 scene in the beginning. Someone clearly told him something else and he had to react.

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However lets look at his simple budget.

We also price this rather simple:
Producer fees (photo & video): $800 Fine, if the price paid is $3,000, if not it totally sucks. It misses, assistant, travel, insurance and permit if required. Then there's the cost of buying equipment, listening to some here it's not amateur $2,000 cameras. Which probably will need updating soon as the technology improves. Plus lights a set for strobes and a set for video.

Then models clothing and dildos, toys etc, unless he expects the model to provide them. Plus refreshments or are we all supposed to pay for that ourselves, the models will be pleased.

How much is left out of the fee once they've all been paid for?

Talent: $600.00 (for solo) Very doable.

Location: $500.00 Doable in Prague, in LA I'm not so sure. Others will know.

Make-up & Hair: $100.00 Not even doable in Brno for anyone decent. Maybe an ex out of work model will turn up, can't bank on it.

So out of the $3,000 how much does the shooter actually put in his pocket?

Fabian's budget was $2,000 in total. Well the shooter would get part of that. But out of the $1,000 left as I illustrated there are lots of other factors. Probably only $1,000.

BUT!!!!

He normally only pays $2,000. So by the time the shooter is paid he's paying all those add ons out of his own $800. No assistant then and screw buying new equipment to keep up.

And Fabian and the other trolls. The debate is not about what it costs me. It's not about what you will work for.

It's about what I will work for.

As for you working for that money. Go put an advert in the local papers as a wedding photographer because you'll earn more money. IF YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH.

Those who were around prior to 2007 have no excuse. There was still a magazine market that DID pay $3,000 a set. Today if you work for these prices you might as well go shoot weddings and earn some real money.

Also not died or ignored this thread. Just don't have to sit on a computer all day long to beg for jobs that pay peanuts.

No you take him up on his offer, 3 scenes for $2,000.00 He took my offer of $3,000 for 1 scene. I turned his offer down.

A real content shooter doesn't work for shit money. He takes his skills into a different field. That pays.