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Do you want Eric's email address, hun?
All I said was we all know the real reason you are over there.
How is that breaking any rule at all?
Could be the fresh air, the views, the stunning women, the food, the standard of living you can give your beautiful little girl, anything.
Why are you getting so wound up?
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Can someone put this old cunt in a housing home... please... seriously."There is no other way to see a thing except to look at it" - fatfooComment
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Joanie Alumn - John Alumn
Gayle Honneycutt - Scott Harris
Pierre Woodman married a Slovak girl
John Graham -Girl I can't remember her name.
Tracey Coleman lived with Terry Munns for years.
Harry Ormisher always had a Page 3 girl on his arm.
There are probably tons more, I think Suze married a shooter and was a model. You need to be able to charm the ladies if you want to be a good porn shooter.Comment
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[QUOTE]I don't, nor have I claimed that. I do think that a small village outside Brno is inferior to West Sussex. But we all know the real reason he is over there. And it's got nothing to do with models. He's retired, remember.
Oh he realises. He also said that school teachers must have an "iron will" not to succumb to children he teaches. There's no ambiguity there. No uncertainty about their ages. This is stuff he actually posted, not me playing hard and loose with the quotes.
Who denies this? Time moves on, however, and this isn't the 80s. Who the hell wants to see a scared teenager being forced to shove a toy up her bone dry cunt? It's nasty.
Great strawman post though Simon. Good work.
PS Thanks for the cover image, the mag looks stunning, I'll send it over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t...So_Close_to_Me
Pointing out the difficulties of being a teacher is hardly new or controversial. Give it another season and I'm sure Mr Shu will be at least tempted.
Visit Brno and see the place before you decide.
You can hardly attack a shooter for bone dry cuntism when it was the rules, and be fair. Old dog, new tricks, he's hardly likely to change after 30 years of doing it one way. Fuck, my attempts at "fine art" always end up with at least one gape shot.
I just don't get it. Paul is insanely annoying, but why go there? His argument about the good old days just doesn't stand up, so I'm happy to hit him over the head with that. But I also cut him a bit of slack cause he's a bit out of touch and plain lucky-to-be-still-alive ill.
Plus for all his wrong-ness he's stayed in business for a very long time, which means he is doing something right. He may not correctly realise what it is that's working, but when he speaks I pay attention because he may just give away the secret without even realising what he's just said.Comment
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Again, don't think I claim it is new nor controversial. How much straw do you use making
these posts?
That's his problem. He won't change after doing something for 30 years. He won't take advice. He always thinks he is right. He posts the same old shouting at clouds rants about things he doesn't understand. He contributes nothing. He posts incorrect opinion as fact. He repeats himself all the time like a broken record.
Because I really, really enjoy winding him up. He never seems to realise when he's being hard trolled and always responds as I predict. This amuses me on 5 minute breaks inbetween working stuff. I sit here laughing out loud when his does his standard reply of mocking the flat he thinks I live in, or thinking it's bad I do magic. Bless him and his two little replies.
Allegedly.
No it doesn't, really. Look around. How many people in this industry do you look at and think "they know their onions". Longevity is no measure of skill, it's a measure of not being able to do anything else.
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I would of changed if the highest paying market had told me too. They started doing more nude, pussy, pink and insertion and we started including these shots. Compare this.You can hardly attack a shooter for bone dry cuntism when it was the rules, and be fair. Old dog, new tricks, he's hardly likely to change after 30 years of doing it one way. Fuck, my attempts at "fine art" always end up with at least one gape shot.
I just don't get it. Paul is insanely annoying, but why go there? His argument about the good old days just doesn't stand up, so I'm happy to hit him over the head with that. But I also cut him a bit of slack cause he's a bit out of touch and plain lucky-to-be-still-alive ill.
Plus for all his wrong-ness he's stayed in business for a very long time, which means he is doing something right. He may not correctly realise what it is that's working, but when he speaks I pay attention because he may just give away the secret without even realising what he's just said.
http://www.bargainbasementcontent.com/details.php?id=7 Shot in 1988
To this.
http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=2378 Shot in 2008
In fact in the 30 years I changed styles a lot according to the markets. That's why I lasted 33 years. Could I change to todays styles? Yes. Will I for what the Adult Internet pays? NO BLOODY WAY.
As for the good old days. The customers expectations for great porn hasn't changed. No matter how harder you shoot it if you shoot it wrong, it won't sell. If you all shoot the same style and content your chances of a sale and retention plummet. These are the rules in all businesses. The Adult Internet preached it differently, not because the customers wanted it different. But because that's all the site owners could deliver.
http://business.avn.com/charts/Top-100-Overall-Sales/
For a better view of the industry. The studios shown over and over again can afford to spend money to produce a product the customers want. The Adult Internet largely produces the product it can afford then convinces themselves of the rest. And don't ask why so many don't have sites with 1,000s of members. It's more than obvious they're not bothered.
I know exactly what's working, just not deluding myself into thinking what suits so many.
Customers want quality porn, in all niches and styles. Shot by people with a clue, models who aren't faking it and in a way that's not repeated on site after site. Problem is many can't deliver that on the budget most of the Adult Internet can spend. Look at the Internet companies on that list.
And before anyone tells us they don't make the money the Adult Internet does. DVD porn makes far more the Internet porn. Just not deluding myself.Comment
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But it's true.
I never said these.
"Americans are all fat"
"The Pope Loves Child Porn"
Lies trip off your keyboard so fast it's hard to keep up.
Yes by coming to a DVD show people will learn more about the adult industry. It's been one of the fundamental problems of this side of the porn industry that is was so insular.
A lot can be learned by looking at other sides of an industry.Comment
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in 2004 i bought 100 photo sets from Paul, launched a site, and made $10k the first month. could i do that now? no. is it the content or the market? both.PornCMS / low cost paysite management with hosting
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We really couldn't change. On one hand we had sets selling for $3,000 to $4,000 (magazine and other sales) on the other we had people asking us to shoot content that was worth $400 (Internet Custom). Absolute no brainer.
I'm being accused of shooting a style often worth ten times what the Internet was worth. And I'm to blame.
That really shows how insular this side of the porn industry is.
Even Content store sales out paid what Custom sales would pay. Think of it. 10 sales at $35 = $350. You don't have to do a lot to sell a set 10 times in 10 years. Then there the video. 10 times in 10 years for video and set a $60 = $600. I could never really work out why so many switched from having Content Stores to Custom only.
And today as the Mighty Troll points out we are still able to sell these in special offers.
How many times do you think we sold these girls. On the Internet and via magazines?
Grace
Christine
Susane
I didn't shoot the wrong style. I shot at the wrong price. For many who wouldn't or couldn't pay enough. Pay me $3,000 for a single set and I'll shoot the style you want.
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Just a guess but I would say DVD sales outsell Internet porn sales easily by 100% and probably a lot more.
What do you think all Internet porn sales are worth?
Not counting Dating because that's the Lonely Hearts Club market, just links to porn.
I'll bet you don't even know what a good porn DVD sales are worth.Comment
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i've definitely spent time analyzing why i made money back then. one reason was scarcity - everything sold. the other could have been that your girls were recognized from magazines and guys wanted to see more pics and videos of them.
fast forward to today. people are still buying the bargain basement content i bought 7 years ago, but it sure isn't selling any porn. the buyers are nubes that have no clue that this content has recirculated around the net hundreds of times. lucky for Paul there's new nubes on the boards every week.
the point of old versus new content style is that surfers DO want to see the bangbus girls getting fucked - or whatever reality site is cool now. they don't care about lighting. porn today is about fantasy and speed of access. guys 18-40 want young sluts in situations they can relate to and they want to stream or download it before their cock softens. sure the old guys might reminisce on the old style stuff, but its not selling.
Paul started this thread saying he can't shoot anymore for 3 reasons. several other shooters debunked these points because they have adapted and are making good money in today's market.
its a never-ending fight between the dinosaurs of the business and the guys who have evolved. i've had the fight many times - without getting personal.PornCMS / low cost paysite management with hostingComment
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Wrong. Scarcity was never a problem. Producers of content had to fight hard to get publishers to buy.
That's music to my ears. For some obscure reason the saying "Non exclusive is saturated" was meant to be bad. To a producer selling his wares it was music to his ears. I wanted to get my content on as many sites as I possibly could. And did. For the producer it was a bad thing to have content that wasn't saturated.fast forward to today. people are still buying the bargain basement content i bought 7 years ago, but it sure isn't selling any porn. the buyers are nubes that have no clue that this content has recirculated around the net hundreds of times. lucky for Paul there's new nubes on the boards every week.
Fine then pay us enough to shoot it.the point of old versus new content style is that surfers DO want to see the bangbus girls getting fucked - or whatever reality site is cool now. they don't care about lighting. porn today is about fantasy and speed of access. guys 18-40 want young sluts in situations they can relate to and they want to stream or download it before their cock softens. sure the old guys might reminisce on the old style stuff, but its not selling.
Who remembers Perfect Gonzo in their heyday?
When they were going strong everyone was asking if we or other shooters could produce the style. The answer was yes we can, the problem was the cost. Even PG couldn't replace their shooter after he left to go to, I was told, Evil Angel.
For producers it comes down to $$$$$. Just like with site owners.
OK I should of said GOOD porn. As for good money. Not what I would call good money. The prices paid today are not that good.Paul started this thread saying he can't shoot anymore for 3 reasons. several other shooters debunked these points because they have adapted and are making good money in today's market.
The customers haven't changed their needs for good porn. The publishers have changed their definition of good porn.its a never-ending fight between the dinosaurs of the business and the guys who have evolved. i've had the fight many times - without getting personal.
And I'm not being personal, just pointing out the other sides view point.
Saturation of content = $$$$$ For the producer/seller.
Custom content = $$$ For the producer/seller.
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Paul, everyone here has respect for what you did in the 90's. But the industry you worked in then is 10-20 years old now. In today's market things change in the split of a second. The web waits for no one, and it's standards can be completely different one day than it was the last.
Again, I say this with respect. You did fantastic things in the 90's.
However it's 2011. What you know of this industry is completely upside down from what it was in your heyday.
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A prime analogy is the recent Netflix infographic that has been spreading around the net. ( http://film-book.com/wp-content/uplo...graphic-01.jpg )
This is a new age of business. Things move at the speed of light. You can't just sit back and think what you knew or did fifteen years ago still holds true today. Everything we knew about the internet just FIVE years ago is literally obsolete now.
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FFS, We're being accused of not having the budget to get porn right any more and you post that content of those three girls? Show me where the un-achievable today production values are in those sets, cause somewhere along the line, I must have missed them.
I've also shot Susane and thought she was an unspeakable faker of the highest order. Still did OK, though.
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we are on different pages. what a surprise. i told you i analyzed why your content sold $10k in INTERNET SALES in the 1st month in 2004. what the fuck does that have to do with your reply? i was a webmaster who bought some content, not a magazine publisher. keep up or go back to bed.
you are an old defensive dinosaur trying to suck out the last bits of a dying era.
lol who would pay u to shoot anything today? have u produced anything that would compete in today's market? i was trying to be balanced in my reply, but you are just a dick.
he thinks we are still talking about DVDs and magazines. he probably doesn't realize that we now sell porn online.PornCMS / low cost paysite management with hostingComment
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plsureking is dead right. Scarcity does sell easier than saturation.
Some sites are individual and sales with the same marketing show it. Bangbus is an excellent example. Along with Twistys and more.
Yet many shoot the most saturated content around. It doesn't matter if this is the only site with this girl on, or the only site with this scene of that girl. It's the same old format that's repeated over and over again. And usually at a level that keeps the price down.
Some sites would rather put up 3 new exclusive scenes a day that are little different from what's on dozens if not hundreds of other sites and think it's right.
Scarcity does sell easier than saturation. And the easiest way to produce it is inside the site in the members area. Then follow up with the marketing. If hundreds can't or won't produce the same quality you've cut the customers options.
potter you can't be reading or know about me. I earned more in the 2000s than I ever earned before. And today I would still be shooting. If people would pay me the money we earned for a set in 2007.
Yes everything we knew in 2005 is obsolete. It's totally new game today. So what have Adult Paysites done to change to 2011. Besides giving away more free content.
I'm all about change, I'm moaning about the status quo for today. Maybe I'm not doing it very well. But I'm clearly saying what is being done today is now working and it's time to change.Comment
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So why didn't ,ore shooters move to more profitable markets?
You can shut me up by giving me a pass to your site and I can tell you if they are good enough and why.
Yes she is and if she does a real orgasm and you blink you miss it. LOLI've also shot Susane and thought she was an unspeakable faker of the highest order. Still did OK, though.
http://www.simonscans.com/models/sho...hp?modelid=442
Thankfully didn't have to shoot her having an orgasm for magazine sets.Comment
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its a good place to start. if that was the point of this thread then it was read wrong by a lot of people. i probably read it wrong because all you do is bitch about problems and offer nothing of a solution. your solution in this thread is that publishers should pay you more. thats not realistic and you should know that.
industry veterans like yourself should be mentoring and offering solutions, advice, and helping the industry grow. you have knowledge that could be used to help the industry move forward if packaged right. but i dont see that here or on other boards. i see a grumpy old man.
i'm all about moving forward. i have at least another 20 years to go in my career so i'm always looking at the long view. what i see from my ~150 client sites and what i read on the boards is that people in this business ARE changing their strategies and plans as the market evolves. change is happening all over the industry. its most likely that you just aren't seeing the change.PornCMS / low cost paysite management with hostingComment
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I've offered tons of advice on how to change. You must of missed it all.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1010900
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1008895
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1000676
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=997032
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=992990
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=990959
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=979759
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=979656
And I'm sure more.
The underlying theme is and always will be. Spend more time, attention and money on the product.
It takes a lot to make a site stand out today. So devote a lot to making it stand out. Otherwise it's just the same old stuff on so many other sites.Comment
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just filling the void until Damian gets back online.
nah i think its good. i know on another board some webmasters really ran with this idea. i hope you stick around afterwards to continue the conversation ;)PornCMS / low cost paysite management with hostingComment
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Yes I do. Green ones taste the most bitter, red the sweetest. Then there's spring onions. Great is a salad or sauce to give a unique flavor.
What's that got to do with porn?
plsureking don't sink to Damian's level. Or try to look stupid like Agent. It's unbecoming.
Here's some of the accusations flung at me time after time.
I don't shoot the right style = I shoot the right style, it's the style that pays me the most.
I live in the past = Like most webmasters who dream of it being like 2000.
I can't change = A lot of my thread are all about you lot changing. You lot refuse to change.
My prime was in the 80s or 90s = No it wasn't our best years ever were 2004/5 More mags and Internet sales.
I'm too old to understand = No I understand fully. The customer is King and if you don't give him exactly what he wants he will go elsewhere. In this case to free tubes with your content on. Even if it's shot by someone else.
Non Exclusive is saturated = It's good content and sells and sels and sells to sites that get sign ups. Otherwise it won't get saturated.
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lol. i give u shit for being old and hence i think you've lost a bit of the hunger that some of us mid-career guys have. but more importantly, all i really care about is the fact that you sometimes write really negative posts that may discourage nubes from coming into the business. if Zuckerberg was discouraged by some old onion, we may never have gotten the best social tool we've ever had.PornCMS / low cost paysite management with hostingComment
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Any newbie put off by my post is best not trying the Adult Internet. It's not easy these days and the first 3 months will put him off a lot faster.
If he takes in what I'm saying he might sit back and think it's tough and needs a new approach. 100s of people copying FB are doomed to fail.
The Adult Internet needs fresh new people with a new approach. Noth those easily put off copying the successful already here. Most of them are successful because they've been here 5-10 years and have 1,000s of affiliates, only 100 worth having LOL. And no newbie can copy that.
Yes I lost my hunger for shooting scenes for $500 a throw. Or BG for $3,000. Give me $3,000 for solo and see me lick my lips and give up the retired life.
I know the present day shooters have to take what's given. I don't and can call it like I see it.Comment
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this is several lines of the bullshit im talking about. negative shit trying to persuade some nube from getting in the biz. but i'd take some nube that spent the last 2 years in mainstream seo over some old content shooter who's day is long past. at least the seo guy can bring something to the table. u are so negative. i hope u dont have grandchildren.Any newbie put off by my post is best not trying the Adult Internet. It's not easy these days and the first 3 months will put him off a lot faster.
If he takes in what I'm saying he might sit back and think it's tough and needs a new approach. 100s of people copying FB are doomed to fail.
The Adult Internet needs fresh new people with a new approach. Noth those easily put off copying the successful already here. Most of them are successful because they've been here 5-10 years and have 1,000s of affiliates, only 100 worth having LOL. And no newbie can copy that.
Yes I lost my hunger for shooting scenes for $500 a throw. Or BG for $3,000. Give me $3,000 for solo and see me lick my lips and give up the retired life.
I know the present day shooters have to take what's given. I don't and can call it like I see it.PornCMS / low cost paysite management with hostingComment
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Paul, tell me a price, including everything (ie the girls, props, location) for you to shoot a scene for me. All I do is give you the script, you shoot it, and give raw back to us... we cut it and release...
Show us what you got.. name the price..."Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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Way to call his bluff, Fabian. Should be worth a few grand just for a laugh if he actually follows through. Either way, I'd definitely take you up on the same offer to show you my stuff. No other independent producer shoots more cute new American girls than I do on a regular basis.Comment
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Jim, email me, I will connect you to the right guy. We always do test shoots with new producers..
[email protected]"Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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Paul, I don't agree with your overall assessment of porn.
I think that you're missing the fact that the people who buy porn are what really move the market and how it's shot.
As for models faking it...I agree. But I had a lot of videos that I used to watch in the late 1970's and early 1980's, and even though Seka was/is my favorite porn whore of all times...She and Christy Canyon, and Vanessa Del Rio were HORRIBLE at faking it. And they were the biggest stars of that time.
Having said all that...I wish you were here in the states. Your photography skills are awesome. And I'd love to sit under the learning tree and watch you shoot. Matter of fact I'd love to have you shoot a scene of Claudia-Marie for me and let me watch you work.
I always learn something from people.
For instance...the stuff I shoot well is what I love. I'm the worst at shooting "glam". But my friend Charlie Biggs specializes in it. He just has an eye for that kind of thing. He composes and frames a pic in a completely different way than I would. And vice-versa.
Anyway, just wanted to throw in a tip of the hat to your abilities. Again, I think you might not be taking some things into account in your analysis of the business. But I respect your abilities from the photos you posted and the magazines that are part of your resume.
Looks to me like you were one of a handful of shooters at that level during that time period. And no matter the joking around by everybody...that's pretty damn impressive. Very few guys reach that level no matter what sector of the industry they work in.-Robbie
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He told you already:
But, what will happen is he will pretend not to read your post or the rest of this thread and will not post on it again.Originally posted by Old Man Markham
Standard MO with him.
He's all mouth and no trousers. I've pwned him dozens and dozens of times and he just pretends not to read it, hides for a few days, then comes back and posts the same old tired shit about porn being crap today compared to his photographic genius.
I'll bet you the 3k he wants for the scene that happens!
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Damian,
I saw that, I need to see him say that to me again... then I'll ask for a price for 2 40 minute scenes for http://www.shesafreak.com/ with the same girl....
Let's see what he says..."Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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Good plan, should make sure the thread is always nicely bumped
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