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Cut everything, make no excuses, either you will do it or wont, dont feel you have to elaborate on your decision, just make one, suspense is killin me! I for one want to see you, hopefully, do a great job! |
Before the movie is made, and to stop arguments afterwards can we establish
What is a good porn film? Technical, Performance, Artistic..... Or maybe the number of wanks / hundred punters a wankometer ? Maybe you should consider choosing some judges..... |
Paul, important, will you be signing the contract with a company or yourself personally?
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So if solo is so easy why do so many suck at it? What I produced for the last 30 years made us real money. Good or bad is pointless it's about money. Bro points count for nothing. Our Euro garbage sold for real money. Not $700 a scene FINISHED. But keep flaming. We made enough to say what I think about Fabian. He talks shit. First he employs people who shoot for Evil Angel and Wicked, then called out to name them shuts up. The only difference between online and offline porn is online porn gives is away in the truck load. Like Pornhub. The idea that someones taste change if the buy off the net is BS. It's sad watching people having to kiss the ass of someone who will use their content without permission to make a buck. But they have to make a buck today. :( |
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I will sign it when I have approved it and have all my things lined up. I don't sign contracts half cocked. Replied to your email. I WILL NEED A LOGIN TO YOUR SITE TO SEE WHAT THE STANDARD IS. WITHOUT THAT I'M IN THE DARK ABOUT WHAT I'M SHOOTING AT. If you wont give it to me we can all assume why. I need to better than your guys and see what you think is acceptable or do I have to be better than you buy? |
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Paul, you are really taking disrespect to a whole new level here. Insulting the client that is hiring you over and over again. Bragging about how your work is better than every other shooter when in fact your style has a very dated look to it, and on top of that is limited to non- (or barely) English speaking European models. And worse of all, before you have even signed the contract you are already preparing your excuse as to why the work won't be as great as you claimed it would be because of your lack of up to date video equipment and overall poor health. You have had a long successful career but even with that you don't know everything. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself with your carrying on in this thread.
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Today nobody, even though they're still buying and some might be paying better than $700 outright. 3 years ago and before every shooter shooting exclusive should of been bothered. They outpaid this market by a fact of 10. Wake up and realise magazines didn't die in 1990. Look at the date of the Barely Legal Front cover. February 2006, we got $2,600 for that set, non exclusive. But you pull up your Dad, ignoring the patently obvious. Where's your site? |
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All this rigamaroll over a solo girl scene? http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/w...s-the-beef.jpg |
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And he's not really a client. He wants a one off deal so he can gain some bro points and take away the limelight from his Tubes having other people pirated content on. As for my dated content. When was the last time up to date content paid $2,600 for one non exclusive set? Who cares if it's dated, it's about the money? Same goes for whose beter or worse. If anyone is better than me then fine. In the magazine field I was never rated as a good shooter. Middling at best. But I made money. As for my lack of up to date equipment, that's an excellent way for Fabian to get out of it. Equipment doesn't show ability to shoot porn. He knows or should of known about my health, he also knows about what I think of him. He took up my offer. I don't know everything. What I do know is shooting for the prices offered today isn't going to make you or any other shooter rich. Also knew that shooting exclusive was a money losing operation. Anyone who couldn't earn more non exclusive wasn'y very good at something. And the Adult Internet is coming to a close. Not this year but it's coming to a close. The reason is simple. Free is an cultural thing now, enforced by years of getting it for free with no come back. Added to that Tubes are a better option for more people than paying. If you haven't made your money in porn by now, you're not going to make it in the future. Not my words, the words of one of the site owners who did make it. Posted today. Why do I keep replying? Because trolls keep replying and so far none have shown me proof to back their words, like a login to their sites. So far I've not seen any site that has content that would of sold to mags other than Alsscan, Hegre couldn't. Just not the poses and shots. I'm sure there is, but waiting for someone to give me a link and pass. And yes it does matter. Building sites with content anyone can shoot with a decent camera is the worse business model for porn online. Because the rest is even easier, put up a site, affiliate program and throw traffic at it. Conversions and retention will suck. But that's been sucking for years. Build something every Tom Dick and Harry can't, then throw traffic at it and set yourself apart for the rest. Manwin can afford to do that, yet don't/ Fabian trolls that members want long 30 minute solo girl videos. Which is why for 50 years the industry has been shooting 20 minute scenes. :upsidedow Look at the sample video to see how boring it gets. It's 5 minutes of nothing to kick it off. So far no one has commented on his content. |
maybe people are being paid well, but based upon the quality of your content they don't want to pay you that much? not hard to understand ...
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i mentioned my dad to show the difference between what the last generation of porn buyers wanted - mags - and what the younger generations want - hardcore reality based porn. theres intelligent thought in my simple post but it went over your head. thats ok. no one in this long thread respects you and you dont respect anyone in this business. so we are at equilibrium. no i dont own sites but over 150 clients pay me every month to use my software. i learned a long time ago that theres more money in selling software than running a single site using the software. old knowledge that is still relevant. how much of your ancient knowledge is still relevant? batter up. |
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But interestingly enough, you sent me details of who to do the contract with, and it is with a company? Make up your mind.... And I know you said you want a login, you'll get one.... |
Just FYI... I just sent a login to Paul
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What you may not understand is when a client wants "that girl', and that girl only, i need to do what ever it takes to get my scene done, short of turning in a poorly shot scene. If I feel that the scene quality is going to suffer, I will "kill" it. Fortunately for me I shoot mostly Boy/Girls and i use top males that can pound me out a good scene even if the girl is half assing it on my set. Having a solid male is way under rated. I generally edit all of my scenes and i know 1st hand what is usable and not usable when it comes to shooting content. I usually edit my scenes before dinner. Takes me about 20 min. max after its loaded onto the time line. Quote:
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I care about me, my work and my clients work. If others want to accept shit as work, good for them and their clients. These other directors are slowly getting weeded out. Furthermore these directors make me and other quality directors look that much better. God bless them all. Good Luck with your shoot Paul. All bullshit aside to get 7 pages on a thread on GFY these days is pretty genius of you. No matter how you do on your Brazzers shoot, you definitely have my respect for stepping up.:thumbsup |
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I'm looking forward to shooting it actually. I'm doing more for my satisfaction than anything else. It will be nice to see after the last 2.5 years of events if I can shoot again. And doing it on Manwin's money makes it even sweeter. Can I shoot to the standard I could 5 years ago? You know, the standard that sold for $3,000 a SET. And you keep ownership and still sell today. Rather than the new high standard that pays $700 (if you're bloody lucky), that requires a set and a video, very expensive hi calibre equipment and you lose ownership. :Oh crap No this is going to be more interesting for me than anyone else. Worked out I will shoot the set, build a rapport with the model and then do the video. Eva can take a few shots of me shooting the video unless the girl is very comfortable and works well with her in the room. The trolls who think they can shoot me shooting a solo girl scene are obvious clueless of how to shoot solo girl or want to make it harder. Maybe they think I should me, a shooter doing BTS, a make up artist, an assistant and the hotel valet in the room to make it more cosy. :1orglaugh Who cares if trolls believe I shot it or not. Its all about what I think of my work, how much it makes and nothing to do with trolls. |
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If she's full of herself, which some very attractive girls are, your way will work well and I've used it. Other wise I flirt, compliment and at points even act like a dirty old man. It just got the essential communication I needed from a newbie to make her better. The line is when they think it's not about work and about me getting a freebie. John Mason worked the same, Colby was charm personified and Harrison was downright dirty. He would flirt the girl in his Slavic accent and it worked. Maybe in the Valley with US girls you can't do that. With seasoned pro models it often worked as well. It was all down to her personality and none of us had a rigid one way of shooting. We adapted to the girl. Quote:
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How many sets have you ever shot in your life? Me, it has to be in excess of 2,000. Then how much did you earn from shooting those sets? Not enough to buy a sofa. :1orglaugh Stick to talking about piracy, on that you're an expert. On shooting porn or glamor you're an idiot. |
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I have no axe to grind with you, but after reading 7 pages of this, well, my elbow started itching. The thing is, for the last 12 years I, too, have been knocking out content. And like you, started out with magazine work. But there is a reason that it's called "the past". You know, because, it's like....behind us. Sometimes it's difficult to find our place/relevance within such an ever accelerating business as this. So maybe, we should just rest on our laurels. You had you time, hopefully you put something aside for a rainy day. But accept that your day is done. Let it go. You are beginning to remind me of the minor pop star continually touring on the basis of one minor hit. You have become a caricature, when it would of been better to be an enigma. On a more serious note, your shrill know-it-all voice, appearing on so many boards, spouting absolutely irrelevant nonsense (and with an air of total superiority), leads to a gross mis-representation of the business of content producing, and of content producers themselves, non of whom wishes to be tarred with the same brush as you. Pride can be a terrible hindrance, as we can see in your ways of dealing with possible client. Get down off your high-horse...it is dead and fossilized. I am sorry to be writing this. You and your's both had the cold hand of Dr D touch your shoulders. So look forwards to making something brighter before he comes again for the final call. Stop this trying to bring a past best left dead back to life. It's not healthy. PS: I know that you are proud of your work, and this is no bad thing. But it really doesn't follow that others will feel the same way. To that end, when trying to illustrate a point, and your boney finger moves the mouse so that it hovers over that Barely Legal cover JPEG that you never fail to post, please....pretty fucking please...with a cherry on top....DON'T click! |
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I've been to hundreds of porn shoots. I've never seen someone 'flirt' with the models. Those poor girls must have been terrified. Desperate for money and naked and then some 70 year old bloke making sexual advances. Horrifying. Probably scarred them for life. |
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But I make the point that so many sites are competing on the same level today because of their attitude towards content. Even Manwin who can afford to pay more, choose to sink down to a level of $700. Which let's others in. Sinking down to the level of $300 a scene outright, is going to make it so easy for any other person to open a site and compete with them in getting traffic, which it's obvious many can do. This business model has led to 1,000s of sites spending more and more to get traffic and it being harder and harder to make money out of. That's all about today, 3/4/2011. Not about the past. My style of writing I apologise for. Maybe it's something I can't change. As the advice is free, I don't feel the need to change. Whose going to pay me to write nice sweet kissy advice? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh We put more than enough away. And sold a few sign ups and sets today. :thumbsup I'm looking forward to the shoot, looking forward to going to the UK and have to rush off because I'm meeting my daughter from school. Looking forward all the time. Especially about this business. But that depresses me. :1orglaugh |
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Maybe I am naive, maybe I just have had the pleasure to work with decent photographers, but I don't think it's A Good Idea to hit on people you employ. |
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Most of the shooters I've know over the years preferred to work alone, especially when shooting solo girl. The reasons are obvious and many to those who think about. Having a fat, ugly person sitting watching isn't something they would normally allow. The girl is going to ask "Who is this person?" While thinking "WTF is this guy doing here?". To explain you away as the marketing man for the site, is going to get her worried right away. While shooting unless you know exactly how to act, the odds are you will put her off. Even if you don't you might drag her attention away from the work onto you. What ever the outcome having someone like you in watching a shoot is a lose, lose situation. You bring zero to the table. Just problems. Go read the thread about model's escorts in on the shoot for verification. When shooting a days work the costs are something like this when shoot film. Model 200 GBP Film 100-200 GBP Make up 100 GBP Location, props, equipment, model's agent, refreshments, travel, equipment all go on top of the budget. Sometimes more than others, but all have to be paid. Then there's postage or courier costs to send the sets to clients over seas, or fule to get you to local clients. A solo girl shoot can easily cost 500 GBP ($800). The only thing that saves today is digital and the cameras are far more expensive. And from this thread it seems digital needs to be constantly upgraded, my film cameras lasted 5 years. Eva and I budgeted a solo girl shoot at $1,000. To cover everything. Now to have someone like you sitting in the corner on that shoot will take you giving me $1,000. Or anyone else. Even when on trips shooting with other pro shooters like Colby and Mason, if we were shooting solo girl we had a closed set in or outside the villa. It was the best way to make money. As for your jibes about hitting on the model? Don't you see $1,000 to upset a model in anyway, is financial suicide? From a shoot costing $1,000 a shooter needs to pull a profit out, not get laid. Models understood that and went along with the scenario. The time to be business like is on a casting, when the model turns up, when setting the lights, when shooting the IDs. The time to start flirting is when you want the best out of the model. Then when the sets finished it's "Well Done, you're a real breeze to shoot. Want a tea and snack?" And walk out offering her the door from the studio and throwing a robe to cover up her nakedness. Here endeth the lesson in shooting. :1orglaugh Can you name these decent shooters who allow you in on shoots and risk the chance of ruining the shoot? |
This post is all about today and the last 10 years.
Todays problems in online porn are many. Free content is just one. The other that has effected us all is saturation. Not saturation of a single scene, for me that's great. :) It's saturation of sites and affiliates. And now the lack of customers to sustain the saturation. 10 years ago there was very few sites compared with today and a lot less affiliates. Less traffic, but sign ups were a lot easier to get by the few sites for many reasons. One was the lack of selection. For the last 5 years it's got to be more saturated. More sites and more affiliates trying to sign up less customers. And yet few have tried a different approach. Most carry on playing the numbers game, if a site doesn't convert, get more traffic. If an affiliates doesn't make enough, get more traffic. Yet it's obvious some sites stand out. MILF Hunter, Alsscans, Hegre are just some. Why, because the content is good. It gets good views, it gets good traffic, it gets good conversions, it gets good retention. All because of the content. Sites who compete with every other low to middle range content site don't do so well. Because we're not selling to idiots, we're selling to clued up guys who know if a scene is good, know how to separate a good site from a bad one. And when they make a mistake, get wiser and know how to cancel a recurring membership. Many add more than enough content, exactly the same as what the site is already full of and none compelling enough to make a lot of members stay longer. As an example. By improving retention 1% a site adds 50% of that money to it's turn over. Because the other costs are paid for. The affiliates earnings also improve. What's the only thing that controls retention? Content. If a sites content is no better than 100 other sites, the member knows this and will wander off sooner to one of those sites. Now tell me what that has to do with yesterday? :1orglaugh |
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Pauls ACCEPTED the challenge Paul has or will be given access to the sites to compare quality Now its a case of wether paul flops or surprises everyone!! Im routing for you markham!! |
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Not 100% right. Fabian accepted my challenge of someone paying me. I have another login and pass to a different site, yet to go there. Too late. Flopping or surprising is in the air. The only person I'm doing this for is me. And the $3,000. :1orglaugh Don't really care about what trolls think. It's pointless trying to please them. Ultimately my out of date, old style, lousy quality pictures earned me enough not to have to care about what they think. Which I shot and crafted to fit a market that out paid this one by up to a factor of 10. Now I'm being flamed for not shooting content that wouldn't of sold to that market. Marketing genius of the Internet. :upsidedow $3,000 for an afternoon in front of a naked female and the pleasure of finding out how well I am is all that counts. I wonder if this old flirt still has the ability to show a girl it's all in fun to help her achieve her best? :1orglaugh This is the last man a pro would let in on a shoot. http://vimeo.com/user2552989/videos Nor his BF, Gary would get let in. Might make the girl throw up. |
Paul. jeez... It's a network!!! SAF, the site you are shooting for, IS A PART OF MOFOS.COM
Btw, it matters little to me for why you do this.. I do it because you are being a complete asshole towards every other producer out there by the crap you post... Your uneducated comments you post all over just make you look silly. You base your opinion on the data you have, about how the industry is smaller, how only few sites make any decent money, on your very limited experience in the adult online world. Also, you keep still posting hue nobody pays enough, yet you are getting 3000, our contract producers make far more than that because we pay around 4500 for hardcore scenes on mofos and we pay even more for brazzers! Get it in your head that you are WRONG with how much producers make online.. |
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Fabian-Dude. This is painstaking man, where oh where is Paul's script you keep promising every day? Must we now wait until MONDAY? Or do you have screenwriters who work on the weekend??? Hopefully the latter!!!:pimp |
Monday, and it won't be a full script I am told... but its more the legal side I am waiting on... we are very busy currently...
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Interior, student dorm room. Scared and vulnerable looking girl is sitting on the bed. Teddy bears and lollypops are scattered around.
Girl: Oh, I am so fucked for cash. I'm going to have to do SOMETHING to pay my rent. I'm desperate. KNOCK AT DOOR Girl: I wonder who that could possibly be? WAH WAH GUITAR IN BACKGROUND, POSSIBLY FUNKADELIC GIRL WALKS TO DOOR AND OPENS IT, TENTATIVELY. STANDING THERE IS A DIRTY MAN IN HIS 70s. HE HAS A TSHIRT ON SAYING "I HAVE CANCER, PLEASE FUCK ME LOL". HE LOOKS LIKE HE SMELLS OF HIS OWN URINE. Paul Markham: Hi there. I'm a photographer in the area looking for teens to shoot for non-exclusive magazine porn. I'll pay you 50 bucks. Girl: Oh. Right. I *do* need some cash. What do I have to do? Paul: Nothing much. Just a little strip and maybe, if you feel comfy, you could whack this dildo up your self? Girl: BLUSHES Paul: 50 bucks.... PAUL WAVES THE CASH UNDER HER NOSE, SHE STARTS CRYING Paul: Oh come on, no need to cry. It's a quick fifty bucks. Come on, I have my camera here, let's go. Girl: Well I suppose, if you say it will be quick... PAUL GRINS LASCIVIOUSLY TO THE CAMERA FADE TO BLACK. Scene 2 GIRL IS IN HER UNDERWEAR ON THE BED LOOKING SCARED AND UNCOMFORTABLE. PAUL IS ABOVE HER ON A CHAIR AND GETS OUT HIS BOOK OF 24 POSES THAT ARE IN EVERY SET HE SHOOTS. Paul: Just do these poses and we'll be done. Girl: I'm nervous Paul: Here, have a toke on this doobie and a hit of this Jack. That'll sort you out. Girl: But I don't really do drugs or drink. Paul: Get it down you, bitch. FADE TO BLACK Scene 3 PAUL IS MASTURBATING OVER A NAKED GIRL WHO IS CRYING Paul: Yeah yeah baby, you fucking love this don't you. I AM FUCKING THE MIGHTY PAUL MARKHAM! YOU ARE NAKED AND I AM WANKING! I am the best pornographer in the world. You are getting well wet aren't you? Girl: No I am scared and I want you to stop. Paul: I AM PAUL FUCKING MARKHAM! I NEVER STOP. TIGER'S BLOOD IS IN MY VEINS. WINNING! Girl: STOP. Paul: NEVER. Now, look more scared. Really show the camera you are just doing it for the money GIRL WHIMPERS. Paul YEAH BABY PAUL CUMS ALL OVER HER FLOOR IN LITTLE OLD MAN SPURTS. PAUL THROWS 50 BUCKS AT THE GIRL Paul: (laughing) There isn't even any film in the fucking camera, you retard. PAUL RUNS OUT OF THE ROOM CACKLING! FADE TO BLACK. |
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