It's harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days.

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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #1

    It's harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days.

    For many reasons.

    First has to be budget. You simply can't make a silk purse with a sows ear budget. No matter how good a shooter is, if he's working on a shoe string. He's not got a lot of time, money or incentive to produce great porn.

    Second has to be models. For a number of reasons. They have seen porn on the Internet and think what they saw is what is right. Often it's not. It's faked badly and shot on a shoestring.

    Also their attitude. Todays models are far harder to work with. Prior to the Internet and the deluge of porn production if a model fucked up or failed to deliver the goods, she was soon out of work. Unless very very beautiful. Today there are too many places she can work badly and not have it effect her career.

    And many have picked up bad habits from shooters who don't know better or accept them.

    If the model wasn't doing it right, there was no, "Shooting something so the day isn't a complete loss." It was "Go home.". Because paying her/him and the film wasn't worth it. Best to lose the M/U fee, Boys/girls fee and other costs than add to the disaster throwing more money after lost money.

    Even with digital we would just give up and call it a day. Assuming we couldn't turn a couple shoot into a solo shoot.

    The ease of selling. This has a lot to do with it. When selling a set to an editor he had 8 slots to fill and often 50+ sets to choose from. If your work wasn't good, not good enough, it didn't get accepted and even then it might not get used. We were paid on publication. What is accepted today would never get accepted by an editor.

    Similar goes for the good video markets. They had more than enough work submitted to them. So if it wasn't good it wasn't accepted.

    It's easier to sell today and harder to produce good work.



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  • INever
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2005
    • 4029

    #2
    Never skip a day without taking your medication.
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    • Paul Markham
      Too old to care
      • Jun 2001
      • 52942

      #3
      Originally posted by INever
      Never skip a day without taking your medication.
      I don't still on some pills and suspect I always will be. Helicid is the main one, the others are vitamin pills. Everyone should take them once they reach 40.



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      • marketsmart
        HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
        • Dec 2004
        • 20419

        #4
        always fucking complaining about something...

        arent you like 80 years old?

        enjoy your retirement and puzzle building for fucks sake before you keel over in despair...






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        • BVF
          Black Vagina Finder
          • Jan 2002
          • 13975

          #5
          Originally posted by Paul Markham
          For many reasons.

          First has to be budget.
          I stopped reading as soon as I saw this.


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          • Si
            Such Fun!
            • Feb 2008
            • 13900

            #6
            I wasn't around in the glory days and I have no problem findind talent that is willing to work, knows how to pose and doesn't expect to make thousands per shoot.

            I'm suprised how much many of the girls i find know aswell. Even the amateurs with no experience.
            Last edited by Si; 02-22-2011, 01:18 PM.

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            • TheDoc
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2001
              • 13827

              #7
              It depends who is doing the shooting. If it's an employee, you must pay them well like all employees you expect good work from. If it's an owner(S) in the porn/shooting the porn, which MANY porn companies today are, then we ALL work with no money until the money starts coming in. I don't consider them on a shoestring budget, but rather another business man, doing business.

              It's easier to get models today, shit tons of them, endless supply, you can be picky, greedy, the supply is endless.

              Compared to just 15 years ago, it's easier to get models today too. Shit tons of them, places to advertise, people that apply.. Depending on your location, you can be extremely picky with a never ending supply of girls.

              It's cheaper today, instead of overpaying to put up with the same stupidity, today you pay accordingly and still put up with the stupidity.

              Like all business, things change. It's easier to sell today, because the market is bigger. It's cheaper to produce today, because the market is bigger. I'm not sure how it's harder, when technology has made it extremely easier, it's cheaper, it's bigger, ect.
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              • Love Sex
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2004
                • 1905

                #8
                Its a lot easier to shoot porn these days.

                buy camera, pay model, shoot video, edit and upload or sell.

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                • Vendzilla
                  Biker Gnome
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 23200

                  #9
                  Whats the going rate to make a premium video these days? Something for DVD release, 6 scenes, some kind of story line.
                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                  think about that

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                  • CaptainHowdy
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 94723

                    #10
                    I'm not reading that ...

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                    • tabasco
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 2624

                      #11
                      "There is no other way to see a thing except to look at it" - fatfoo

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                      • Altwebdesign

                        #12
                        Loss of eye sight, Loss of hearing, Loss of mind. . .

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                        • Jim_Gunn
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 5702

                          #13
                          Paul, time has really passed you by. Almost everything you say about the current market for adult content is incorrect, Matter of fact, in many cases the exact opposite is true. I was around in the trenches shooting storyline feature porn movies, pro-am and so-called gonzo porn for VHS, DVD and broadcast tv distribution since the early 1990s & 2000s so I know the way it was back then and how it is now in 2011 when I have never been busier shooting high resolution photo content and high definition video content for companies all over the world. I know pretty much everything about the history of the offline wholesale and retail distribution end of the adult business as well since I worked in the office of the biggest U.S. distributor of adult movies and novelties and took note of everything that went on.

                          Budgets: Of course it depends on what type of shoots you are doing and how you are selling them, but I work with fairly reasonable budgets and even when I don't I routinely make silk purses out of sow's ears to use your analogy. Maybe no one wants to give you a large budget to shoot quality porn anymore because of your dated style, negative attitude and other factors and therefore forced you into retirement. But using my sharpened skills and modern technology, I am able to shoot more and far better content in one month now than I used to do in a year back in the day.

                          Models: There are more beautiful models now than ever before. At least there is for me because I put my time in and developed so many relationships with agents & unaffiliated recruiters that it is way easier to cast the new models for me. Back in the 90's I had to travel all around North America to recruit girls in person in strip clubs or have them Fedex me Polaroid pictures if they answered one of my ads in their local paper. Now with email, cheap telephone plans and social networking I don't have to leave the house to do most of my casting. The models are also easier too, at least the American girls. It may be harder dealing with the Eueo-whores, but the girls I shoot have grown up with the ubiquity of porn in the last twenty years or so and are often excited to be working for me. I am also able to get them to do more and/or better content in a day than I ever was able or willing to do years ago.

                          Ease of Selling: Contrary to what you say it is harder to sell than ever before, especially for people like yourself who didn't continue to grow, learn and adapt. Clients are super picky and unlike say even a few years ago when every half-assed male talent and wannabe could become a director and producer selling content to one of the many affiliate programs during the internet boom times, no one is going to hire any shooters nowadays who don't deliver creative, well-shot content with hot models in a timely manner.

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                          • Jim_Gunn
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 5702

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Vendzilla
                            Whats the going rate to make a premium video these days? Something for DVD release, 6 scenes, some kind of story line.
                            I have a lot of experience shooting adult feature movies with hard & soft versions for DVD & broadcast tv. I would charge something like $15k for a six scene movie with a storyline, more or less depending on the star power if any in the cast, the specifics of the plot and the expectations of the client. These things can very wildly- for example, if I were to rent a 90-foot yacht to shoot the movie on like I have done in the past or hire a popular porn star like my friend Gina Lynn to star in the movie those things have to be taken into consideration too.

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                            • tony286
                              lurker
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 57021

                              #15
                              I figure Paul, it was harder when you started. Those gun powder flashes must of made a mess of hotel rooms.
                              Last edited by tony286; 02-22-2011, 03:30 PM.

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