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When we shot we were more or less sure of the money it would make. Over the years with experience rarely made any blunders. Sold everything. If it was only for small money to companies like Northern ans Shell or Goldstar. For $600 to $800. Then could put it in the content store and earn on it.

This deal was all about what I used to shoot for and you proved people are not willing or able to pay that kind of money today.

No I promised to shoot something like I used to shoot and earn $3,000 on. Whether it was better or not isn't the question. IT WAS WORTH MORE. And that's the only thing you can bank. Telling the bank manager you shoot great content that doesn't make any money isn't going to buy food.

For you it might be a lot. For me it's little money and why I don't get hungry to shoot again.

We were talking about 1 scene and you turned it into 3 scenes that's deception in anyones language. Or did the bosses in Montreal tell you to stuff it and then told you to change the offer?

We were always talking about 1 scene, 1 girl, 1 set of photos, 1 setting. We were talking about what I used to work for and no one else here could or would.

Your bosses probably told you to Fuck Off. :1orglaugh

Of course it was a nice try and you ended up with egg dropping off your face.

BG. will think about it, but we are talking $6,000 ish.

Will be interesting to see if I can see what 1 lesbian scene is worth today. Shot and sold properly.

More or less. Fabian never had any intention of paying $3,000 for a scene. Or his bosses told him no way.

Not even got the balls or ability to put $3,000 on the table to show me up. :1orglaugh

it's the old onion with egg on his face. everyone can see it.

oh for fucks sake man

shut your stupid yapping fucking pie hole

seriously

Now, I'm not 100% sure if Markham *actually* thinks he doesn't look stupid here, or if he is just trolling even harder.

Remember kids, 19 HD videos for 150 bucks!

Come on Nathan you know how this guy is. I saw this one coming a mile away.


Im figuring one of two things;

One: is that he needs the extra money to buy the equipment to shoot to your specs. (Im guessing his old ass 70's Beta cam wont do the job.)


Two: This guy wants to price himself well out of reason so that he can still keep posting his outdated statements and general bullshit.


Along with puzzles and bird watching, chatting on GFY is one of Paul's retirement recreational hobby.

Taking you up on your reasonable offer would take all of that away from him. He knows deep down inside that he cannot compete with the level of todays competition and would have issues understanding todays cameras and current camera technology. (He would also have problems finding film for his stills camera, with Kodak not making film anymore and all.):1orglaugh


Failure, which is inevitable for Paul if he took you up on your offer, would give GFY the ammo to throw back at him every time he posts some useless outdated production thread. This is a no win situation for Paul. He will continue to mask the fact that he cannot compete in todays porn market with with todays shooters with his outrageous production quotes.:2 cents:



I on the other hand would love a shot at shooting for your company. I defiantly have the skills, expirence and talent to compete with all of your current shooters.:thumbsup

Hardcore... A brazzers scene... 6000, not a problem. But I simply do not think you would be able to pull it off, we can try if you want, in that case we need a say in talent though...

Solo girl, we simply need to get three scenes or our members will not get enough returning girls...

We also price this rather simple:
Producer fees (photo & video): $800
Talent: $600.00 (for solo)
Location: $500.00
Make-up & Hair: $100.00

Does not sound unreasonable to me, Paul kept complaining about 500 exclusive scenes... This is clearly more..

this is a weird discussion...

betamax ftw ..............

You simply don't get it.

I was asked aboyt getting hungry to work again. I said not at the prices paid by Internet. I then said if anyone wants to pay me what I used to earn I will get hungry again.

The price was $3,000. Fabian agreed. 1 scene for $3,000.

Now he says he doesn't pay that.

Therefore backing up my point.

THE INTERNET DOESN'T PAY WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE ME HUNGRY AGAIN.

Whether I can or cannot shoot as well as you is totally utterly completely irrelevant. I got $3,000 for a solo girl set and video. That's all that matters. It's not a competition based on who shoots the best content. It's business it's about $$$$$$$

There are shooters who can outshoot you and me in a bat of an eyelid. Do they earn more money is the only thing that matters in business.

If you're a better shooter than me and was in 2008 and wasn't selling some work to magazines you're a lousy businessman.

Here you go Fabian again backs up my point.

We also price this rather simple:
Producer fees (photo & video): $800
Talent: $600.00 (for solo)
Location: $500.00
Make-up & Hair: $100.00

What the fuck is $800 to the producer for a days shoot, shooting what I saw on www.shesafreak.com. I can earn far more than that shooting a wedding. Probably earn more churning out stuff for ATK. Will I?

NO FUCKING WAY.

I bet I could earn more shooting for magazines even today. And that's what you guys don't get. Pick up the phone and get marketing. T%here are still magazine sales to be had. Viv Thomas, Steve Colby both still shoot for mags and I know that for a fact. And not for $800 a day.

Fabian back your mouth with your money and pay what you said you would, I'm still willing to shoot it.

I set a price, Fabian agreed then changed his story. I back my word, he doesn't.

And if you missed it. IT'S NOT FABIAN OFFER, HE ACCEPTED MY OFFER.

But you asking for his business shows what you will do to get it. You can take $800 a day. I won't.

Fabian I will shoot three scenes. AT THE PRICE I ORIGINALLY OFFER AND YOU ACCEPTED.

Paul... if it takes you a whole day to shoot basically 90 minutes of video, getting the girl to change 2 times inbetween... that in itself just shows how far from reality you are...

The fee for the producer is $800 because its a simple scene, with very little to do, and it does not take more than a few hours...

That also is our standard rate, which we pay for contract producers, cleanly budgeted shoots. This is not what we pay for tests, which is why I was ok with doing $3000 instead of $2000 for you.... Clearly there is a difference if we commit to buying for example 20 scenes from you a month compared to you doing one test... money changes at that point...

I was curious what you can do... I am not however going to pay you 4 times as much for the same thing which in the end will likely be useless...

12-20 minutes for 3000 usd, you must be insane. That has nothing to do with balls, thats just stupid.

paul your days of making money online are over

just turn off the pc and go mow lawns

Paul, i like you, but at some point you have to understand that your "$3000 for a solo" thing is over and will not come back. it's market rules - supply and demand.

you can shoot for $3000 if you're one of few people who supply and there's a high demand. but it's not like this anymore. 99.9% of the producers would happily shoot 3 solo scenes for $2000.

are they bad photographers? no.

is your shooting style (nowadays) worth $3000 a scene? no.

can anyone shoot a solo nowadays that is worth $3000? hardly - unless it's Playboy Magazine or Penthouse i guess

Barely Legal at some point sold good enough to justify that price. but where can you nowadays put a set and be sure that price would be worth it?

and even then - why would a publisher pay that price when you have tons of qualified producers who have adapted and shoot for a fraction of your price?

it's over, accept it, be happy that you were there during the good times

You are dead on!!


Paul you need to stick to puzzles, checkers, shuffle board and bird watching. Because giving advise on modern day adult video production is definitely not your strong suit.


Finally i think todays video cameras and still cameras are way too heavy for you to handle.:2 cents:




Paul you need to take Nathan up on his offer or shut up. Take something reasonable or be the butt of all of the GFY jokes.


At the end of the day, I think you will do nothing, but "talk and talk and talk and talk and say nothing" at the same time.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You know what...

Paul, what hardware would you use to shoot the video and photos for me?

ya its funny to see some real shooters that are actually still making money add their :2 cents:

i thought the thread was dead, but it got even better. there's no one in this industry that would give Markham $9,000 for 3 solo videos. just shows how out of touch he is.

$9k would be much better spent in the hands of Jim Gunn or one of the other guys. Jim was quoting just a little bit more than that for a 6-scene hardcore DVD.

Paul just keeps saying how nobody in the current market knows anything. lets vote on who 'doesnt get it'. this thread delivers!

Video camera:
http://www.labguysworld.com/V-400_004.jpg


Stills camera
http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/up...ld_cameras.gif


That will work for you right?


Now make your 15K check for your one scene out to: "Bat Shit Crazy Entertainment."

Send it to: Fantasy Land. Because thats where Paul lives full-time.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:glugglug

LOL - you can't even order content honestly.


in what world are 3 wardrobe changes and 3 different settings/locations considered to be ONE scene??? that's 3 scenes.

Paul's quote of 9K for that though is ridiculous - 500 per masturbation/outfit/location is reasonable. 9 of those = 4500. You can't get a girl to masturbate 9 times - you can but you'll get horrible fake masturbations. Unless she truly is a freak and maybe 1 out 100 girls in porn are freaks enough to masturbate 9 times in a shooting day.

The market pays what it will pay. This guy I know called me up to shoot for him. He said he pay $300 for the day - take it or leave it. He called me because he was doing me a favor knowing that he could pay someone else that rate and have no problems getting someone. So what do you do, say no to a $300 job.

We can shoot for you at that budget for solo. You can rest assure it will be top notch.

Producer fees (photo & video): $800
Talent: $600.00 (for solo)
Location: $300.00
Lighting: $100
Make-up & Hair: $200.00

You just made my point.. 3 of those you say is 1500.. we pay 2000 standard, I was ok with paying him 3000 for it...

If he expects 3000 per masturbation/outfit/location, then I can not help him...

He clearly does not pay more for the location just because he uses 3 slightly different settings.
He clearly does not pay more for the girl, or he just is an idiot.

So that means he wants _for himself_ most of the extra 3000 USD per scene...

That, sorry.. is just silly.

clarify - your shoots are solo masturbation videos plus pics and you say '3' is the total of scenes - in an earlier post you made it sound like each of these '3' scenes would have 3 different wardrobe changes and background changes. that does total 9 unique videos per girl.

why don't you just say you want 9 solo mast videos with different clothes and background in each?

3K is decent for that but 9 masturbation videos with the same girl is dumb.

I will provide five full videos and all matching stills for $2500 of a NEW fresh hot unseen model.

Wow! No ranting Paul Markham posts? Hope he didn't die from stress due to a difficult puzzle.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Never seen this guy stay away so long from a thread where he is the center of attention.


Take Nathan up on his offer dude. Show all of these guys how it was done in the old days. Shut all of GFY up, once and for all. Show everyone how a "real" content shooter as yourself gets shit done.:thumbsup

That's what he always does. Gets totally pwned, then pretends he hasn't seen the replies.

It's simple in this case, he doesn't have the kit. He's retired.

And he is trolling ALL of you to try, desperately, sadly, pathetically, to sell 19 HD videos for 150 bucks whilst pretending to be retired.

As pointed out, it wasn't that long ago he was begging for money here.

You should all feel sorry for him.

Imagine if your life was so fucking shit that even when you've retired to still have to troll people here to feed your kid.

:(

I agree with you 100%.

However that was not the discussion.

The question was asked about me coming back to shooting. I replied if I could earn $3,000. Never said anything about working for todays prices.

Fabian through challenge and was fine with 1 scene for $3,000. which I agree to subject to seeing the content on his site.

He seemed happy with that and even asked me to price 3 scenes.

Until he contacted Montreal.

An hour later something had changed.

All of a sudden he's changing my offer. $3,000 for a scene like we used to shoot will get me back to shooting. It has to be shot on different cameras, not a problem I can team up with those who have the cameras. BUT, he wants 3 scenes. Not 1. AND asks me to price it.

Then 1 scene became 3 scenes for $3,000. Obviously someone told him what he could or could not offer.

I didn't ask for a solo girl scene. I stated a solo girl scene and he agreed.

We were talking 1 scene in the beginning. Someone clearly told him something else and he had to react.

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However lets look at his simple budget.

We also price this rather simple:
Producer fees (photo & video): $800 Fine, if the price paid is $3,000, if not it totally sucks. It misses, assistant, travel, insurance and permit if required. Then there's the cost of buying equipment, listening to some here it's not amateur $2,000 cameras. Which probably will need updating soon as the technology improves. Plus lights a set for strobes and a set for video.

Then models clothing and dildos, toys etc, unless he expects the model to provide them. Plus refreshments or are we all supposed to pay for that ourselves, the models will be pleased.

How much is left out of the fee once they've all been paid for?

Talent: $600.00 (for solo) Very doable.

Location: $500.00 Doable in Prague, in LA I'm not so sure. Others will know.

Make-up & Hair: $100.00 Not even doable in Brno for anyone decent. Maybe an ex out of work model will turn up, can't bank on it.

So out of the $3,000 how much does the shooter actually put in his pocket?

Fabian's budget was $2,000 in total. Well the shooter would get part of that. But out of the $1,000 left as I illustrated there are lots of other factors. Probably only $1,000.

BUT!!!!

He normally only pays $2,000. So by the time the shooter is paid he's paying all those add ons out of his own $800. No assistant then and screw buying new equipment to keep up.

And Fabian and the other trolls. The debate is not about what it costs me. It's not about what you will work for.

It's about what I will work for.

As for you working for that money. Go put an advert in the local papers as a wedding photographer because you'll earn more money. IF YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH.

Those who were around prior to 2007 have no excuse. There was still a magazine market that DID pay $3,000 a set. Today if you work for these prices you might as well go shoot weddings and earn some real money.

Also not died or ignored this thread. Just don't have to sit on a computer all day long to beg for jobs that pay peanuts.

No you take him up on his offer, 3 scenes for $2,000.00 He took my offer of $3,000 for 1 scene. I turned his offer down.

A real content shooter doesn't work for shit money. He takes his skills into a different field. That pays.

No, you misunderstood. I should have said one shoot, 3 scenes. So one girl, 3 masturbation scenes which are easy to shoot in one day. Usually we only do one shoot with a girl per day, SAF is the only exception.

Paul,

This is one TEST shoot, you have to calculate your extra cost over a longer period. As I said, the 2000 is what we budget for the shoot itself for CONTRACT shooters! That is why I was ok with giving you 3000. If you did a good job and our members would have liked it, I would have offered you a 10-20 shoots per month contract.

So you lied. We were never, ever and in no way, talking about 1 shoot. We were talking about 1 scene. Who changed your orders.

Actually to be fair to Manwin, paying $2,000 for 3 scenes is better than this part of the industries norm. Prices for the 10 years have been around $300 to $500 per scene.

And all you who were here then were happy to suck it up.

We were not and only did it a few times, ATK was one. Then realised with our skills we could earn more shooting 1 scene.

But so many here flaming me were happy to suck it up.

Today they use the TODAY excuse. What excuse do they use for YESTERDAY?

But all you great shooters with great equipment and great girls. We were better off you staying out of the other markets. If you had come into it and been good. You would of fucked it for us.

As Stefan says I AM VERY thankful we had those days. :thumbsup

And I would of turned you down flat.

Why because the profit margin on $2,000 is so low it's barely worth being in this industry as a shooter. 3 or more years ago making $2,000 for one set, no video, was easy for us. Obviously others found it hard.

I reviewed the content in Brazzers and to me it's obvious it's shot on a too low budget. Not what anyone will shoot it for, based on what it costs to shoot something properly with real appeal.

Today that approach has led to 1,000 of sites with similar content of average to low porn quality and very little personality and uniqueness. The surfer can find similar scenes to Brazzers on any Tube site.

Once you factor that in the only reason who has to buy is resolution. Against that is paying, recurring, risk of getting ripped off and risk the tour is the best part of the site.

Plus you compete with 1,000s of other sites. All making sign ups harder to get.

Why did some pay us shooters so much money when obviously guys like Dave would suck up to them to shoot for far far less?

The answer is so simple. They did it to keep out every Ma and Pa operation making their business tougher. They raised the bar on what their customers expected from them. Do you think Vivid, Wicked, Evil Angel, Anabolic and the good magazines paid shooters this money because they loved us?

No they did it because it made business sense to them. The Adult Internet thought it made business sense to pay peanuts for content and now 1,000s of sites compete with yours for the few customers left. :upsidedow

And lastly. $700 for a scene is less than we make on the content store for a set and a video. It's not about making you money, it's about making me money. You don't care if you fuck us and I don't care if I fuck you. That's business.

Paul, SAF is the only solo site we have, and because of the type of content, we split 1 scene into 3. All our other sites are shoots in multiple rooms/sets also... Since our contract producers are used to this it was obvious to shoot the content on 3 sets and cut it up into 3 parts, easy.

Mofos Worldwide... Hardcore b/g amateur content... We pay 4500. If the talent is very good we can go up on that price... Again, this is for contract shooters...

But you know what... I will just make an exception because I want to see it. 3000, one solo set for SAF. We will likely not use the scene on the site, since members will want to see the girl again... But who cares... 3000 it is. No idea why you think you need to see a sample scene, the tour has trailers, that should be enough. I will get you in contact with the content team on Monday... They will get you a script and the rest of the info you need, contracts and such...

I will post updates here.

Paul, I know a couple of shooters near you, I will ask if you can dry-hire their kit.

Then you have no excuse at all.

Why you bothering, he will just make a new excuse, he is a broke ass old bum who lives in the third world, doesn't even have his own bank account or credit card or cash card.

Seriously, why would anyone take this old bum serious. Everyone knows he's broke, stupid and bitter, when everyone else was making a fortune he was making a few dollars selling shit no one wants to buy any more.

That has made him as bitter as hell, seriously bitter, every post is him crying to make a few bucks like he use to.

He is guaranteed to make another stupid excuse why he cant shoot this scene, it is what he does, ignore the truth of why he is broke. It is every one else's fault but his.

It is the tubes, its torrents, its the fact shooters sites pay enough blah blah blah

Fact is he has been around since before Noah started humping sheep two at a time and he is still broke, dumb as a brick, clueless and bitter

:1orglaugh

I want to see if he will find another excuse or not... So let's wait..

Cool get them to contact me now you've changed your mind.

1 scene, 1 girl, 1 setting, 1 clothing/strip/masturbate.

1 set of 300 images and 1 20 minute video. Or do you want me to stretch it out like the content on Brazzers to 30 minutes so it gets boring? 1 girl doing 30 minutes is going to get very boring IMO.

Get your guys to contact me and we will go from there, will need to see a script. Obviously if you want me to shoot it similar to your site's content a view of the site would be best, samples can be confusing.

Actually checking out http://www.shesafreak.com/tour/home/ I don't see any samples. All links go to the join page. Am I looking in the wrong place or aren't you familiar with the site?

Can't shoot this till after we get back from the UK. Maybe we can, we fly on the 11th. If not will do it afterwards. No need to wire me the money until I say it's all in place and ready to go.

I've made no excuses so far in this thread. Other than not shooting for shit money. My original offer was like we used to shoot. So probably could shoot it on our existing kit. But will ask a few friends in the business to team up with me and be my assistants.

Paul,

Check mofos.com and click one of the shesafreak videos, it should give you a trailer.

Shoot as much as you can. We will edit it to around 30 minutes.. We will gimve you a Script, it will have some kind of story most likely in the beginning