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ReggieDurango · 11-11-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I love this thread!!!

This thread put me exactly where i want to be. I thought I was a good shooter before I started shooting for Brazzers. Now I am light years better than I ever thought I could ever be. All of the shooters at Brazzers/Manwin shoot at an extreamly high level. We all keep pushing our limits and abilities on the daily.

And yes im still killing it for Brazzers!!

Thank you Paul and Reggie!!

Hope all is well with you guys.

JustDaveXxx

Thank YOU Dave. This thread is certainly a "loaded" thread. Legendary, in fact.
Glad to hear you're doing well. You and the Brazzers shooters are indeed pushing the limits of shooting in adult. The content looks awesome.
Can't say I'm not the slight bit envious, I tried the Brazzers audition and failed miserably!

JustDaveXxx · 11-11-2012, 12:42 AM

I have a blast doing what I do. Never in my 41 years of life have I been treated so well by any company as well as I have been treated by Manwin. Everyday is a technical and creative challenge when shooting stills and video. Always trying to one up what I turned in last time. But so are all of the other shooters. Its fun, challenging, tough and very competitive every time I shoot, but I excel and do very well in those conditions. All has been well.

If u got questions about shooting and content production, I'm an open book, contact me if u like.

[email protected]

Hope my post is decent. Did it with an iPhone.

ReggieDurango · 07-08-2013, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I have a blast doing what I do. Never in my 41 years of life have I been treated so well by any company as well as I have been treated by Manwin. Everyday is a technical and creative challenge when shooting stills and video. Always trying to one up what I turned in last time. But so are all of the other shooters. Its fun, challenging, tough and very competitive every time I shoot, but I excel and do very well in those conditions. All has been well.

Well today certainly feels like the right day to bump this good OLE thread!

JustDave, you should watch the whole paul markham vid here (where he also shoots a vid for manwin) and get involved in the discussion! - I think it is fascinating to compare Paul's online persona with his real persona that is evidenced in the videos I shot of him.. his true self is so much more likable!!!
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19707526&postcount=52

scarlettcontent · 07-08-2013, 01:49 PM

where is paul

ReggieDurango · 07-08-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by scarlettcontent

where is paul

Paul wrote this statement and asked me to post it here on gfy:

'Paul asked me to post this, so don't blame me.'

"Thank you Reggie for asking the mods to un-ban me. Also thank you to all those supporting the idea.

However I have no plans to return to GFY or any board that allows the witch hunt I was subjected to by some. Disliking and disagreeing with my ideas is good and I will defend your right to do so. Abuse, libel, lies and worse are not and any board that ignores warning of this level is not a place I wish to be.

Yes I took Damian's actions to the people who employ him. He stated he was "Taking the gloves off". It seems he thinks he makes the rules. Yes I told his family of his actions, in the hope they would get him help. They however think he's funny. Seems he's been doing this online bullying for a long time. Long before he came to online porn. Magic boards know him well. Google "Mrgoat magic" to see his history.

Thank you for the ride. My boat has arrived and I will wave you all farewell.

It's nice just being able to read the board. ICQ and Skype still working for those who want to chat. Damian uses SMS."

ReggieDurango · 07-28-2013, 12:28 PM

What a great day to bump this 'classic' thread!

ReggieDurango · 09-24-2014, 11:15 PM

Ok one more bump for this legendary thread that literally CHANGED lives!

scarlettcontent · 05-06-2015, 02:35 PM

awesome thread

ReggieDurango · 05-06-2015, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by scarlettcontent

awesome thread

Quoted for MOTHERFUCKING truth! Legendary Thread!

ReggieDurango · 05-10-2015, 04:26 PM

sunday bump?

Bladewire · 05-10-2015, 04:31 PM

Whatever happened to Damien & Paul?

ReggieDurango · 05-10-2015, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Whatever happened to Damien & Paul?

First Paul was banned because Damian trolled him so badly. Then later Damian was banned. I say we should bring Paul back!

Again, here's my mini doc on Paul - he's a great guy in real life!
Part 1:

Part 2:

johnnyloadproductions · 05-10-2015, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

First Paul was banned because Damian trolled him so badly. Then later Damian was banned. I say we should bring Paul back!

Paul got banned because Damian drove him nuts and he went out of his way to contact people Damien knew from previous employers, potentially family members, and his now wife. He just didn't do email, he called them.

Damian was banned because he mocked marketing efforts here on GFY and as a result of who that indirectly insults he got banned for it. He won't be coming back, he admitted to me that this place was a toxic waste of his time. Damian has a kid now as well.

ReggieDurango · 05-10-2015, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

he admitted to me that this place was a toxic waste of his time.

Hahah what a f***ing douche!

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

Damian has a kid now as well.

Damian Jr.? The hellspawn? "The Omen" movie foresaw this!!!

johnnyloadproductions · 05-10-2015, 11:23 PM

There are probably a few on here that are relieved.

mineistaken · 05-11-2015, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

I say we should bring Paul back!

ReggieDurango · 05-11-2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Free the man!!!

Nydahl · 05-12-2015, 03:37 AM

haven't been posting here for some time but I can see that Paul's spirit is still alive here....good good

ReggieDurango · 05-18-2015, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nydahl

haven't been posting here for some time but I can see that Paul's spirit is still alive here....good good

It needs MORE life here!

mineistaken · 05-18-2015, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nydahl

haven't been posting here for some time but I can see that Paul's spirit is still alive here....good good

Heil spirit of Mr. Markham

American Psycho · 06-28-2015, 05:34 PM

Hes aliiiiveeeeeee

ReggieDurango · 09-28-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by American Psycho

Hes aliiiiveeeeeee

The thread that keeps on giving

j3rkules · 09-28-2015, 03:33 PM

#FreeTheMagician

https://twitter.com/damianjennings

ReggieDurango · 09-28-2015, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerkules

#FreeTheMagician

https://twitter.com/damianjennings

Helll Nah!

Paul Markham · 09-29-2015, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerkules

#FreeTheMagician

https://twitter.com/damianjennings

Why was he rebanned?

ReggieDurango · 09-29-2015, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why was he rebanned?

rebanned from here? I don't think he was ever unbanned

ReggieDurango · 12-18-2015, 04:23 PM

Christmas-season BUMP!

aka123 · 12-19-2015, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The ease of selling. This has a lot to do with it. When selling a set to an editor he had 8 slots to fill and often 50+ sets to choose from. If your work wasn't good, not good enough, it didn't get accepted and even then it might not get used. We were paid on publication. What is accepted today would never get accepted by an editor.

I have nada experience about shooting porn, but I will totally agree that when there is very limited space, there tends to be better quality pictures (or ads, etc.).

Penny24Seven · 12-19-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

Christmas-season BUMP!

I've never seen someone suck Paul's or anyones cock for that matter as hard as you do it. I mean give him a break for a moment LOL. Pretty sure if you believe in God his name would be Paul

Paul Markham · 12-19-2015, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

I have nada experience about shooting porn, but I will totally agree that when there is very limited space, there tends to be better quality pictures (or ads, etc.).

Image quality has never been better. Porn quality lacks something now. The reason is money. A director with 20% of what it should cost and he has to push it out fast. So he can get the other two to four scenes done.

Brian, he does this to wind up some a few.

Clarketime · 12-19-2015, 02:02 PM

I don't know dude, people tend to like the homemade niche.. It seems more natural. You have plenty of sites asking you to sell your sextapes nowadays. Amateur porn is on the rise.

kazbalah · 12-19-2015, 04:07 PM

I like all these rude comments for the kids.. when someone more experienced is trying to share information for free.

Kinda shows you whats wrong with society today.. the kids think they know everything when they are fucking DUMB AS FUCK.

ReggieDurango · 12-19-2015, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian837

I've never seen someone suck Paul's or anyones cock for that matter as hard as you do it. I mean give him a break for a moment LOL. Pretty sure if you believe in God his name would be Paul

what are you talking about? - that makes no sense

Paul Markham · 12-20-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarketime

I don't know dude, people tend to like the homemade niche.. It seems more natural. You have plenty of sites asking you to sell your sextapes nowadays. Amateur porn is on the rise.

Very true. The problem is getting that real amateur effect. 25 years ago the girls who turned up on my doorstep had it. Today so many are familiar with porn they act rather than do and enjoy.

The change was slow, but as I efit my stuff from 1990 the difference is startling to what's done today.

AdultKing · 07-24-2016, 03:51 AM

Any chance of an update to this thread taking into account the circumstances of 2016 Paul ?

Paul Markham · 07-24-2016, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Any chance of an update to this thread taking into account the circumstances of 2016 Paul ?

The difficulty in shooting porn hasn't changed. The increased challenge is selling it. Even with 10,000s of views some still only manage to sell 1 membership.

This is because the product hasn't changed enough in 50 years and the shift from 1966 and 2016.

In 1996 - 90% (?) of men who jerked off did so to paid porn.

In 2016 - 99.99% (?) of men who jerked off did so to free porn.

(?) In 50 years the product has changed very little, except the models in 1966 could speak English and in 2016 they can't. (?) With today's girls, those in Eastern Europe, it's far harder to shoot porn that has much appeal.

AdultKing · 07-24-2016, 10:05 AM

ReggieDurango · 07-24-2016, 11:22 AM

I love this thread!

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Paul Markham · 07-25-2016, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

I love this thread!

What this thread proved was a retired has been, who lacks the stamina to work, using a new camera for him and shooting the same style he shot 30 years ago. Was still able to produce porn the consumers liked as much as other producers.

And that trolls have nothing of worth to offer.

ReggieDurango · 07-26-2016, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What this thread proved was a retired has been, who lacks the stamina to work, using a new camera for him and shooting the same style he shot 30 years ago. Was still able to produce porn the consumers liked as much as other producers.

And that trolls have nothing of worth to offer.

QFT!

dig420 · 07-26-2016, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What this thread proved was a retired has been, who lacks the stamina to work, using a new camera for him and shooting the same style he shot 30 years ago. Was still able to produce porn the consumers liked as much as other producers.

And that trolls have nothing of worth to offer.

Holy shit, you went and tried to out a pornographer to his FAMILY because he was mean to you on a message board?

You're a real piece of work aren't you Paul?

Paul Markham · 07-27-2016, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

QFT!

Hhat webmasters can't understand is porn hasn't changed much since I was doing it in the 1960s. This is because their world has changed, they went from Newsgroups to Tubes in a less than a decade.

Porn hasn't changed because biology hasn't changed. The body and brain are still the same. What arouses a man is still the same. A naked girl on a sofa fucking herself sold in 1916 and still sells in 2016.

The biggest change to porn is the route to market is easier so lots more can get into it.

ReggieDurango · 12-27-2017, 09:10 AM

Another classic thread bump!

Bladewire · 12-27-2017, 01:10 PM

Why no response from Adultking yet?

cosis · 12-27-2017, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Why no response from Adultking yet?

nope not yet

Bladewire · 12-28-2017, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosis

nope not yet

Is he dead?

MsCheyenne · 12-28-2017, 03:29 PM

I am coming into this conversation late and, have only skimmed through some of the responses. No doubt, everyone's experience is different. Just since 2008, I see a bit of what Paul is talking about it. Of course, it depends on location and, the nature of the shoot. At one time, there was a plethora of beautiful models who did the tour route form LA, to NYC, to Miami. It was fairly easy to arrange for a model to travel from NYC to, upstate NY or Providence, RI to film. That somewhat dried up and, a few of the great agents in NYC left the business. Moving to South Florida, was amazing ....like a kid in a candy shop. The talent was beautiful, plentiful and, if you rented a location in in the Fort Lauderdale/Miami area, you had your pick. Everyone exchanged STD tests but, no one really cared about what they were shooting that day. Questions weren't asked about whether talent had shot gay porn and, all of the ladies were happy to be introduced to FemDom. It was just fun back then. If a model was having an issue, which was rare, there was a replacement around the corner. The male talent was easier to find too. "Hey, do you mind if we tie you up, whip you and, then jerk you off? Can you give us two pop shots?" They guys were just happy to be there.

Skip to today...the number of models touring South Florida is a fraction of what it was just 5 years ago. There is no having a dozen ladies to choose from. Barely anyone shoots with cross over guys. It is important to stay on point and, be sure that none of your male talent has done gay porn in the last three years. Even FemDom, ladies are a little more uptight about. Not long ago, it was as if I turned them on to something they had been waiting for all of their life. Things are different. Not all of it, can I put my finger on, as to why. The agents, have definitely become more restrictive and, fewer and, further between. Even the male talent has become guarded. The stigma of cross over talent and, the taboo it has become in the industry has had to be a contributing factor.

It is still fun. The variety is less. The ease is less. The budget is less. It is a little more formal where it was once, wild and, crazy, free love with adventure.

I can identify with most of the posts I've come across here. More so, I can identify with Paul's. I am ancient. lol.

tfto · 12-28-2017, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Why no response from Adultking yet?

Looks like the search feature on here is more advanced to you than taking irrelevant screen caps. AdultKing. Last Activity: 04-24-2017 02:50 PM

notinmybackyard · 12-28-2017, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsCheyenne

I am coming into this conversation late and, have only skimmed through some of the responses. No doubt, everyone's experience is different. Just since 2008, I see a bit of what Paul is talking about it. Of course, it depends on location and, the nature of the shoot. At one time, there was a plethora of beautiful models who did the tour route form LA, to NYC, to Miami. It was fairly easy to arrange for a model to travel from NYC to, upstate NY or Providence, RI to film. That somewhat dried up and, a few of the great agents in NYC left the business. Moving to South Florida, was amazing ....like a kid in a candy shop. The talent was beautiful, plentiful and, if you rented a location in in the Fort Lauderdale/Miami area, you had your pick. Everyone exchanged STD tests but, no one really cared about what they were shooting that day. Questions weren't asked about whether talent had shot gay porn and, all of the ladies were happy to be introduced to FemDom. It was just fun back then. If a model was having an issue, which was rare, there was a replacement around the corner. The male talent was easier to find too. "Hey, do you mind if we tie you up, whip you and, then jerk you off? Can you give us two pop shots?" They guys were just happy to be there.

Skip to today...the number of models touring South Florida is a fraction of what it was just 5 years ago. There is no having a dozen ladies to choose from. Barely anyone shoots with cross over guys. It is important to stay on point and, be sure that none of your male talent has done gay porn in the last three years. Even FemDom, ladies are a little more uptight about. Not long ago, it was as if I turned them on to something they had been waiting for all of their life. Things are different. Not all of it, can I put my finger on, as to why. The agents, have definitely become more restrictive and, fewer and, further between. Even the male talent has become guarded. The stigma of cross over talent and, the taboo it has become in the industry has had to be a contributing factor.

It is still fun. The variety is less. The ease is less. The budget is less. It is a little more formal where it was once, wild and, crazy, free love with adventure.

I can identify with most of the posts I've come across here. More so, I can identify with Paul's. I am ancient. lol.

In the New Year I'll be shooting morbidly obese women taking a shit and wiping their asses. No sex... no dialog... no faking anything.

The best part is it's only going to cost me $100 plus a pizza per scene and it'll probably sell apx 1200 pieces at about $30 each.

Sooooo... Adapt or Die!

11-11-2012, 12:42 AM	#1702
JustDaveXxx I AM JUSTDAVE ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: LA Posts: 4,105	I have a blast doing what I do. Never in my 41 years of life have I been treated so well by any company as well as I have been treated by Manwin. Everyday is a technical and creative challenge when shooting stills and video. Always trying to one up what I turned in last time. But so are all of the other shooters. Its fun, challenging, tough and very competitive every time I shoot, but I excel and do very well in those conditions. All has been well. If u got questions about shooting and content production, I'm an open book, contact me if u like. [email protected] Hope my post is decent. Did it with an iPhone. __________________ Smut Peddler Productions.com ICQ #378-696-435 / / Skype: JustDaveXxx "We shoot custom, exclusive content your way"

07-08-2013, 01:49 PM	#1704
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05-06-2015, 02:35 PM	#1708
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05-10-2015, 04:31 PM	#1711
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05-12-2015, 03:37 AM	#1718
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07-28-2013, 12:28 PM	#1706
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09-24-2014, 11:15 PM	#1707
ReggieDurango Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,750	Ok one more bump for this legendary thread that literally CHANGED lives!

05-10-2015, 04:26 PM	#1710
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05-10-2015, 11:23 PM	#1715
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06-28-2015, 05:34 PM	#1721
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09-28-2015, 03:33 PM	#1723
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12-19-2015, 02:02 PM	#1731
Clarketime Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 31	I don't know dude, people tend to like the homemade niche.. It seems more natural. You have plenty of sites asking you to sell your sextapes nowadays. Amateur porn is on the rise.

12-19-2015, 04:07 PM	#1732
kazbalah Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,215	I like all these rude comments for the kids.. when someone more experienced is trying to share information for free. Kinda shows you whats wrong with society today.. the kids think they know everything when they are fucking DUMB AS FUCK. __________________ Link Directory Submitter - Forum Auto Submitter - Article Submitter - Simple SE submitter - Blog Auto Poster - 45 Wordpress Themes - Mis Spelt Keyword Generator - Auto Forum Submitter

07-24-2016, 03:51 AM	#1735
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,602	Any chance of an update to this thread taking into account the circumstances of 2016 Paul ?

07-24-2016, 10:05 AM	#1737
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07-24-2016, 11:22 AM	#1738
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07-24-2016, 11:35 PM	#1739
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12-27-2017, 09:10 AM	#1744
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12-28-2017, 03:29 PM	#1748
MsCheyenne Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 412	I am coming into this conversation late and, have only skimmed through some of the responses. No doubt, everyone's experience is different. Just since 2008, I see a bit of what Paul is talking about it. Of course, it depends on location and, the nature of the shoot. At one time, there was a plethora of beautiful models who did the tour route form LA, to NYC, to Miami. It was fairly easy to arrange for a model to travel from NYC to, upstate NY or Providence, RI to film. That somewhat dried up and, a few of the great agents in NYC left the business. Moving to South Florida, was amazing ....like a kid in a candy shop. The talent was beautiful, plentiful and, if you rented a location in in the Fort Lauderdale/Miami area, you had your pick. Everyone exchanged STD tests but, no one really cared about what they were shooting that day. Questions weren't asked about whether talent had shot gay porn and, all of the ladies were happy to be introduced to FemDom. It was just fun back then. If a model was having an issue, which was rare, there was a replacement around the corner. The male talent was easier to find too. "Hey, do you mind if we tie you up, whip you and, then jerk you off? Can you give us two pop shots?" They guys were just happy to be there. Skip to today...the number of models touring South Florida is a fraction of what it was just 5 years ago. There is no having a dozen ladies to choose from. Barely anyone shoots with cross over guys. It is important to stay on point and, be sure that none of your male talent has done gay porn in the last three years. Even FemDom, ladies are a little more uptight about. Not long ago, it was as if I turned them on to something they had been waiting for all of their life. Things are different. Not all of it, can I put my finger on, as to why. The agents, have definitely become more restrictive and, fewer and, further between. Even the male talent has become guarded. The stigma of cross over talent and, the taboo it has become in the industry has had to be a contributing factor. It is still fun. The variety is less. The ease is less. The budget is less. It is a little more formal where it was once, wild and, crazy, free love with adventure. I can identify with most of the posts I've come across here. More so, I can identify with Paul's. I am ancient. lol. __________________ ClubDom.com \| SubbyHubby.com \| ClubDomCash.com