plsureking

you claim to be good at branding, and you want to reach out to my clients, but the first paragraph to one of my clients you tell them that i dont believe in you.

Lelu doesnt know you or anything about you. she knows me well and trusts me to keep her site up and running. i give her technical advice all the time. if you come right out and tell her i dont think you are worth listening to, she wont.

this is yet another example of Markham knows best. you tried to make me lose face in front of my client but it only discredited you.

pure genius again..

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Don't blame you. 92 views after all the time money and effort.

Jel

Should HAVE, you fucking idiot. Christ, you can't even grasp that basic piece of grammar despite it having been pointed out to you more times than I can remember. Your insistence on using 'should of' instead of 'should have' pretty much mirrors your take on the online porn biz. You get it so very, very wrong every time, but insist on blindly repeating the total and utter fuck up.

This is why everyone with even the slightest credibility laughs at you, and feels sorry for you, at the same time.

ottopottomouse

Sarf Lunden innit guv.

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DamianJ

Don't mock, throat cancer made his accent change. It's well documented.

Paul Markham

So how would you of introduced yourself better?

Should I of said You asked me?

Or that I just happened upon the site?

Or given her my history in porn to impress her?

The introduction is how you take it, if she doesn't know me I need to introduce myself and tell her why I'm looking at the site and giver Lelulove some comments.

Saying you said I wasn't able wasn't insulting you. Unless she sees they are very good and you designed the site for her. I know you could do better than that and assumed it was her design.

There are a lot more comments to be made, like the menu at the top, easily missed, the big button which can't be missed goes to a page that has no other pages to carry on from. A side menu on all pages would be easier to see, the page with the preview should be like the others in design. I know you wouldn't make mistakes like that. So had to tread carefully as I was talking about her choice. Fundamental part of selling isn't to trash others choices.

Which shows how much I care about what people here think. I could of kissed ass and got to shoot exclusive for $300 to $500 a scene exclusive. I could of got that business with talking the way I do.

Whether my introduction was right or wrong, the body of the post were comments on the site. Right or wrong?

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When people look at a situation without tunnel vision of the posters name, they might ask questions.

For instance.

Offline mags, videos and shooters were well aware of online in 2001, as Dean points out they were aware of the fall in sales. I met Steve Hicks and other shooters shows. As well as many editors and even directors and owners of offline porn companies.

Magazines did pay on publication, some paid right away. Sullivan would write me a check while I stood in his office, he worked from home. LOL. Not video companies they were paid on acceptance by the distributor or publisher. Both Cable and Video publishers/distributors worked like that.

So they were well aware of online. And the editors and directors were also very well aware of the prices being paid for content. Many scoffed at the sites that had to shoot for themselves. They knew it was best for them to employ shooters and get on with the publication side of the business.

They knew dozens of shooters were creating an exclusive set and video for a fraction of what they paid for the license for one country. They knew if they bought the scene exclusive, they could sell the licenses again for more than they paid for it. This goes for video and magazines.

They also commissioned work. A commission is where you shoot something specifically to their instructions. For these they would pay on delivery, well the invoice would go to the accounts department for immediate payment. They wold also de a deal for work with immediate payment. Offline shooters mostly chose to wait for the bigger sum. If they had asked a shooter to shoot for them, they could of paid his online price on acceptance and made money from the work.

Same goes for shooters. If the offline guys would accept the low online payments, they could of. They knew where the money was. And chose not to. They could of sold online what they shot for offline like we did. That was a mistake many regretted. None to my knowledge came online to shoot custom, no online shooter did much offline. The reason is obvious, one side wasn't paying enough, the other wasn't good enough.

Yes Dean if they had of wanted you to shoot for them, immediate payment wasn't a problem. Especially for what you would of charged. In fact I could of bought off you and sold to magazines and waited for the money. Cash flow was never our problem.

But you're Dean Capture and no one will ever think twice about what Dean Capture says.

Yes according to Jel I'm wrong, I get the grammar wrong.

Is that his best shot?

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Jel

Though I thought the silly fuck was from Waltham Abbey rather than London, but it's possible he moved there before doing a runner, rather than was born there. If I typed like I spoke (strong London accent), I'd have the brains to realise that it's should've not should of. Then again I just watched the 1st youtube vid Reggie posted, and it's obvious markham has the brains of a plastic cup.

Jel

Is Paul's standard wall of text the best he has got?

btw fucking classic line saying you'd be able to make MOFOs membership 'climb'. Fucking gold mate

plsureking

this is your problem. you are never wrong, even when you write a shitty email to one of my clients trying to make me look bad.

i am always PROFESSIONAL when i reach out to a new prospect. i would not start by saying something bad about someone else. you could have simply said, "i mentioned to Ryan that i thought i could help you with the branding of your site, so i am writing you with a couple of opening ideas." you dont have to say that i think you are a pigheaded asshole. how does that help you?

if you were polite and professional i would have read past the first paragraph. you know marketing so well but you cant even market yourself..

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No you're not professional. You're ignoring my comments on the site based on the opening, without coming up with a better one. Then you're saying I sent the email, I didn't and never said I did. It was a draft of something I would write.

Here's what I previously wrote.

Where did I say I sent it?

I'm trying to be polite, seems you want that more than the right message.

How would you open such an email?

Are my comments valid?

Who designed the site?

I always look at the boards with a little apprehension. Dean posts something I know to be wrong. Rochard trolls in calling him a professional.

I point out the truth and called a troll. Well winner of Troll of the year.

Can anyone dispute anything I wrote in that post? No but they can troll.

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plsureking

ah i stand corrected. since it was in quotes and was written as a letter it looked like it was cut and pasted from an email. you introduced it by saying:

that was a lot of posts and grief over nothing. you should have mentioned right away that it wasn't sent. i had to contact the client to investigate.

back to the point: cleaning up the photos and homepage layout sounds good but your edit of her intro copy cuts out all of this selling speech - "Read below to learn how and why and about all the benefits of VIP Membership. You'll get instant, unlimited access to all of my content (100's of hardcore vids and pics) and you can try it all out today - no risk and no obligation" - and replaces it with a vague sentence about "changing your game".

she didnt say she would change the visitor's game, she is changing the online porn game. and she does this quite well. her marketing angle is that she is a virtual girlfriend. she even gives members her private cell number and lets them text her anytime. your changes pull her away from this marketing goal and try to brand her site as a generic solo site.

this is why i said you should stay away from marketing and stick solely to content. unless you understand her marketing plan, which you did not in this case, you cannot help shape it or execute it. she has spent 2 years getting to this point and she now knows that this marketing plan sells the best. you want to misdirect her after spending a few minutes on her site?

i have no comment about your content comments, as its not my area. i will say she has thousands of hours of video on the site and also broadcasts a webcam 24 hours a day. i think trying to make that much film perfect would be a waste of time, although you may know ways she can improve without much effort.

i can send your letter to her if you'd like, since you made the effort to write it. i will just cut out the first paragraph. you will have to give me a reply-to address also so i dont have to be in the middle of it...

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That's funny!

I've been nothing but respectful to you since day one but you seem to take just about every opportunity to talk shit about me, my work, my skills and now you're calling me a liar?

One would think that a man who has been though as much as you have these last few years, that you would spend more time trying to be a positive influence in peoples lives instead of being a worthless, sarcastic, hateful GFY troll. All you seem to do lately is brag about your abilities and put others down. Is that what your life has been reduced to? Is this how you make yourself feel relevant?

Welcome to my ignore list Paul. You're in good company there with many other worthless trolls.

Fuck you

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Paul Markham

OK mis interpretation.

You need to get them inside the tour on the first page, the less said the better there. This is better said inside the tour. Cutting it down to a short phrase is best. All opening sales phrases shoul include

Who I am.
Why I'm here
What's in it for you.

I'm leluv, 30 years old and love sex, I'm here to change your experiences online. Or similar.


I'm leluv, 30 years old and love sex, I'm here to online virtual girlfriend. Or similar.

Do that inside the tour by showing them how. Doing it on the first page is losing people. It's selling to early, the pop up email box I got when I first visited is closing to early. Even though most of the traffic has come from her personal canvassing, it's still asking the surfer to respond to early.

Get the surfers into the site, by showing them the different benefits of being a member. And keep it personal. Making verbal claims to an audience with a jaded palette, will raise suspicions. Most porn customers have had many negative experiences and will be apprehensive to claims, too early.

Prove it, then claim it. Hard to do on a tour, but can be achieved.

http://www.lelulove.com/?mb=VmlkZW9zfHw=

How long is the video Which number of how many in the series?

Wording it like this might get people thinking.

So the viewers now know Lelulove has 310 videos on the site, adding all the time and what the total length of them is. No typed or PS claims, just auto listings.

I've been marketing for decades. From a market stall in Petticoat lane, to marketing to top Global Banks. It's part of a sales technique. If you over play your hand too early you turn people off. It just raises an eyebrow. Let the product do the talking.

Don't judge my least important level of business as the level of my abilities. Read the comments and think why they could work.

Her body positions and camera positioning on the intro video can be improved. This is packaging of the product which is an essential part of marketing.

Tell her to reply to Paulmarkhamcontent at the email I registered on her email list.

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Not worried in the slightest. When you wrote your post I saw it for what it was, wrong on many levels. Was I to sit back and let others get the wrong impression or put them right?

Your post was simply wrong. I pointed out where and why it was wrong.

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Ahh I remember in 2006 all shoots were paid same day & in cash! DvD was the hot ticket & people looked down at me for taking internet shoots, but hey work is work & I didn't care if my scene landed on a DvD or site, I was excited to bang

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When I had a pay site I rented a small studio and hired a shooter from L.A. State University for a weekly salary of $500.00. I did not know that it takes a real pro like Markham to shoot porn and neither did my shooter. When I sold the site it was netting around $300,000.00 per year.

Not shabby in my opinion for a shooter that was a film student at L.A. State.

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This still applies Damian??

Cherry7

He was a film student and I am guessing he watched films, he read books about films, he liked films, he wanted to try things out, , he wanted to learn.

All these things Paul Markham not only lacks but does not see as important.

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i have always been a fan of site-based tours, known as open architecture. let the visitor surf around, see all the pages as a surfer would, just lock down the content. this is working for lots and lots of mainstream sites. open site with the premium content behind a payment wall. porn for the most part has always ignored this very basic online marketing strategy. the sites that followed open architecture always make more.

so that is to say, a welcome page is a welcome page. all of Lelu's videos, photos, and other pages can be seen. the visitor already knows what he'll get if he wants to go look. the homepage is where she introduces herself and her offer and convinces him to go look around.

shortening the copy on the homepage would only hurt her conversion rate because the homepage bounce rate would increase. less is not more in online marketing. more clicks mean less sales. putting click here on the homepage just makes them click away.

as i said before, her conversion rate is 1:88 over the last 30 days. she doesnt need to change a thing about her homepage. you keep wanting to step outside your area of expertise, and change things in areas where you are not an expert, and this exercise is getting old.

do you have a site we can look at that has a similar or better conversion rate? preferably a solo model site? from what i remember your sites are more broke than brokeback mountain. why do you want a successful 30 year career in content to be ignored or laughed at because you think you know everything about online porn? you know content. thats it.

its harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days. maybe stick to shooting porn and you would be happier.

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Getting paid on the same day happened with a few mags and videos companies, never online. It had to be sent, received and then paid which usually took a few weeks.

David Sullivan and John Graham, partner at Score, would write me a check while I was in the office. PRO would send the invoice straight to the accounts department for payment when the set was accepted by the editors of the US mags. With commissioned work the check was sent on the same basis.

Most magazines would issue a check right away if the price was dropped. Instead of $1800 for a set they would pay $1200. The vast majority of shooters had built up a reserve, so waiting 3-6 months for $1800 instead of $1200 on delivery wasn't an issue. We chose to take the long term view.

Selling to magazines if the work was good enough wasn't hard. The editors were professionals with years experience as an assistant and then as the editor, they knew what they wanted and what was right for their readers. So when a trusted supplier sent in work, it went to the top of the pile for consideration. If you went to visit them they would usually give you the time of day to look.

As someone who had a track record they would want to get you to visit them first, not just me it was like this with all the shooters.

A new guy had to make a trip or a very very good phone call. Once in front of the editor it was just a matter of laying the set out, it was film until 2005, then digital. If accepted you were in. Most magazines published the shooters name, most editors read other magazines. Once you had a set published all you did was phone and say "I'm MiaLelani and would like to see you/send you some recent work of mine." The more you got up the ladder the easier it became.

Once accepted by an editor you were in the pack.

Keeping up a steady flow of work, was a problem. If you're waiting a month for payment, you need to keep shooting. At least once that month. So a small reserve of cash is good. If you can wait the 3-6 months you need a larger reserve. A shoot day with film could cost $600 to $1,000 per day. $300, model, $100, film, $200 extras. No extras if you shoot her at home for amateur. Film was $10 a roll, 10 rolls for a new shooter is more than enough.

So let's assume the shooter is selling in the UK and does 1.5 shoots a month and has to wait 6 months for his money. And shoots solo girl.

6 months x 1.5 = 9 shoots @ $600 a shoot = $5400.00 investment.

Revenue on 9 shoots, 2 sets @ $1,000 a set per shoot = $18,000.

As opposed to 9 shoots for ATK and many solo girl sites $13,500

Difference of $4,500.

This is without any further sales. Add US, EU, second rights and the difference is $40,500.

This has nothing to do with me and what we did and what a crap shooter I am. Blah blah!!!

This was all magazines shooters of a decent level and why Steve Hicks, Suze Randall, Jack Harrison etc. Aren't shooting for online companies.

So An online shooter couldn't wait for his money. OK accepted. So just shoot 1 day a month over and above what's being shot for online. Or are they saying they couldn't afford to spend $600 for a days work that will get them on the ladder to make $6,000 from a days work?

DVD was harder, they mostly wanted BG and doing a shoot good enough to get into that market was expensive and tough. But the rewards were far higher. Forget $2,000 a scene. Maybe $6,00 or even higher for good work, unedited and paid on the day. And $6,000 was for one region like the US.

They had the girls, equipment, know how and everything else if you listen to their posts. Were they bad at shooting or business management?

I suppose my problem is a very low tolerance to bullshit and knowledge of how offline worked. When I see BS I call it.

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like a strange vortex sucking you in slowly

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Funny and quite beautiful.....

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justinsain

All I can say is we're no strangers to porn and you know the rules and so do I.
A full commitment's what I'm thinking of and you wouldn't get this from any other guy.
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling because I got to make you understand.

Look Paul, we've known each other for so long your heart's been aching but
you're too shy to say it. Inside we both know what's been going on. We know the game and we're gonna play it.
If you ask me how I'm feeling don't tell me you're too blind to see.

We know you're never gonna give up.
You're not gonna get us down.
We're gonna run around and troll you.
You're never gonna say goodbye
That's gonna make us cry.
Keep telling lies that hurt you.

Paul Markham

Got a tune in mind to set that to?

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justinsain

If we could find some catchy music to go with it I think this thread would really get rolling.

Paul Markham

Is debate about one comment on making the massage more personal with a "you"?

What about all the other suggestions, mainly the preview video and putting surfers on a page with no where to go from there. And the actual video itself?

The difference in a few words is a small thing.

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theking

He did...but my point was and is...it does not require much skill to shoot porn. A model/models a camera and lighting is pretty much it. Porn is porn.

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Paul Markham

The photography part is easy for most porn.

Getting a model to give out a performance over and above what 95% churn out today is hard. Then capturing it in a way that makes it better than everyone else pointing a camera at a naked couple can do is the tough part. Not once but time after time.

Cherry will never see this, he thinks it's about editing, the sequence it's shot in, lighting and other skills that are not so important for porn. A porn scene can be fantastic without any of Cherry's skills. Not clever, artistic or creative. Just capturing a girl who is real and not a porn model faking her way through a days work. Having the sex session of her life and the orgasm of her life. Getting that on film is the tough part. That's what keep members glued to a site, DVD brand or magazine. Assuming it's in the niche they like.

Capturing the look on a girls face that say "Fuck Me" isn't easy. Making a picture of a girls face convey that she's going to fuck you, is hard. Getting it in focus and lit properly is a breeze.

Editing is important enough to know that filming the intro and close to a scene is essential to give it meaning. Otherwise it's just another girl on another sofa. Which is what the Manwin editor did by leaving out my opening and closing to the scene.

People who think photography skills are essential to shoot porn, must think typing skills are important to write a book.

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Cherry shot a very clever piece in his 2 girl film. One girl had a clear liquid oozing from her pussy, the other from the other side of the room was shot in a way to make it look as if she was letting the liquid drip onto her pussy and rubbing into the pussy. Clever photography.

Clever porn would of been the fingering girl actually letting the liquid drop onto her fingers, then rubbing the pussy and inserting 1, then 2, then 3 fingers into the girl. While this is going on at one end of the girl we see the other end of her, her face, showing pleasure that builds to an orgasm. The more real that orgasm is the better.

OK so problems with getting it like I described it.

Creating the atmosphere where the girl will orgasm for real, making sure she's not a girl who fakes it like an LA whore porn star (so it's distinctive from 99% of LA porn scenes) and making sure she's not a girl who keeps her orgasm inside her, she has to let it out. Camp it up a bit, but at the end let her rip. Eyes rolling to the back of her eye sockets is a good one.

That's tough, with a crew in the room, tougher doing it be stopping and starting. Being an ass hole shooter or model.

For instance, the shoot where the girl got burned and the subsequent video of her on another porn shoot. She should never be allowed on a shoot and the shooter shouldn't be shooting.

Any girl who doesn't do as directed by the shooter on a shoot, should get sent home. She was told to move away from the tail pipe, she didn't. She walks home.

The shooter who can't direct a girl to do as he requires, should be given work.

Sounds tough and it is. The reason is the final product has to be good enough to keep customers glued to their screen. You can't do that with girls who do what they want to, shooters who can't get models to work as they need them to. Without losing the respect of the girl.

Girls who are on drugs and throw tantrums because they mislaid a cell phone, shooters who can't man manage a situation better than that one.

The reason is simple. Shooters who get paid for turning out poor porn, sponsors who think quantity rules over quality. The sponsor situation is ultimately to blame. They would rather, it seems, update 2-4 scenes a day than 1 great scene. Would rather fill a site with 1,000s of crap scenes than half that of good scenes. would rather employ a guy who will shoot cheap than a better one who costs more.

And that's why retention is poor.

And why my experience will build retention in many sites. I know how to teach people to do the job right. And there's far more to it than what I wrote here.

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Sam - Mr. Skin

Is it too late to start reading this thread? Maybe a little light reading on the plane to Amsterdam.

Cliff notes to pull me in anyone?

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Paul Markham

I pointed out why it's harder to shoot porn today. Which was a bad tittle.

It should of been It's harder to shoot GOOD porn today than it was back in the old days.

However tons of trolls came in to keep it going, I was asked what it would take to get me back to shooting, tons of trolls kept it going, I said $3,000 for set, tons of trolls kept it going, Fabian offered me $3000 for 3 scenes, tons of trolls kept it going, I told him it was for 1 scene, tons of trolls kept it going, then we agreed on $3,000 for 1 scene, tons of trolls kept it going, took a while to get the contract sorted, tons of trolls kept it going, I shot the scene. Then tons of trolls went quiet.

Reggie came over to shoot me shooting the scene, tons of trolls kept it going, Manwin took an age to get the scene online when he did. Tons of trolls went quiet.

Reggie put up the documentary and people found out why I don't shoot no more.

That's about it without the side shows of little importance.

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Thanks for that. Can you send me a link to check out the scene?

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porno jew

lol that scene was complete garbage like the rest of paul's work, yet he still feels that he can lecture far superior shooters that are still working and making money in today's market.

guy is completely senile and delusional.

Paul Markham

Here it is. It was average for me. It was what I used to shoot and earn $3,000 from.

If other shooters online doing my job could of done the same and were working for $500 a scene they were mad. If paysites could of bought the scenes and sold them offline for $3,000 they were mad.

Today online is all that's really left.

So all the trolls missed the point, online is mad or the content isn't good enough. Mad or bad?

And it's got 4.9 votes, which is good or bad?

Two shooters had a go at the scene. One said I should of had a rose in the background, the other said the sofa wasn't expensive enough. If that's the worse they could say. I WIN!!!!

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http://www.hardsextube.com/video/611503/

Sorry forgot to post the link. Senility creeping in. LOL

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I've never heard Paul speak! You really went to Prague to shoot this?

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ReggieDurango

Paul Speaketh!
Flew into Prague, then drove to Brno. It was an adventure in a little stickshift I had to teach myself to drive

shade001

Paul, tell us the marketing secrets that made your paysite such a success. Also, tell us how to build a successful tour page and explain why traffic leaks are actually good for affiliates.

Looking forward to it.

ReggieDurango

What ever happened to BVF???

Paul Markham

He might or realised he's losing valuable time trolling. Only retired guys like me can afford not to care about lost time.

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Time for a bump.

So I thought I would write something positive and helpful.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18477159#post18477159

Trolls be alert.

The world needs more lerts.

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If there's anyone on this board more full of shit that Paul Markham, it's Pathfinder (aka theking).

There was no college student. There was no paysite. There was on $300k.

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It's easier to get models today, shit tons of them, endless supply, you can be picky, greedy, the supply is endless.

Cherry7

Paul Markham is claiming he never said....

As for lens. Never change a lens on a digital camera, it results on dust on the chips and spots on the image. I thought you would know all this.

This is just to remind him he did.....

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Paul Markham

Of course it's hard to judge the quality of a porn site purely on a reviews site review. However, I'm happy with those score, in fact extremely happy.

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Paul Markham Teens Quality 9/10 Total score 84/100 Content shot for magazines and to sell off a content store non exclusive.

MOFOS Quality 9/10 Total score 76/100 Content shot for the paysite and exclusive. A lot of it HD videos which we never bothered with as videos were a side line. Yet can't meet my

Brazzers Quality 10/10 Total score 95/100 Content shot for the paysite and exclusive. A lot of it HD videos which we never bothered with as videos were a side line.

So a guy whose main market was selling pictures to magazines and a content store to sell non exclusive to people who were then more interested in price than quality. Is getting comparable scores with Manwin's sites. What's bad about that?

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DamianJ

200 kbps?

Heheheh.

BTW, nice attempt at distraction of the thread where you said you thought teachers need a will of iron to resist 15 year olds and that you think you are unfit to be in charge of a class of 15 year olds.

Paul Markham

It's easy to log in to RR and post lies.

The rotation was 90 days. So a member had to stay 3 months to see everything.

I could of made multiple small site like 3wayscash did. But I think that's cheating when people are paying the same price.

Still lying I see.

Thanks for bumping the thread.

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