It's harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days. - Page 17 - GoFuckYourself.com

Agent 488 · 03-23-2011, 03:14 PM

no one gives a fuck anymore.

Anthony · 03-23-2011, 03:25 PM

Paul, this is probably the biggest Dick Tuck I've ever seen on the web.

There's nothing stopping you from doing this. Nothing.

SGS · 03-23-2011, 04:09 PM

Mad views in this thread.

ReggieDurango · 03-23-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sadly Fabian has backed out.

What Paul? Did Fabian tell you he backed out? Or are you "assuming" he backed out?

Agent 488 · 03-23-2011, 04:15 PM

paul chickened out. was full of shit. created ridiculous demands so he wouldn't have to do the shoot.

BVF · 03-23-2011, 04:32 PM

Here is a synopsis for those who don't want to read page after page of bullshit

Paul first makes an exorbitant price, thinking nobody would take him up on it, but he was wrong...Even offered to make the shoot CHEAPER.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I told you the price $3,000 for a solo girl set and a video.

Of course this is subject to seeing your script. It might go up or down, it's based on what we used to shoot.

Solo girl content.

If you want something more involved the price will rise. If you want something very amateur the price will lower. Happy to keep the conversation here as well as by email. Will email you in a minute.

Nathan takes you up on your offer.

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I am honestly looking forward to this to be honest... I'd love to see what he can do for us....

DamianJ is the first to call the bullshit:

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I'll wager it won't happen, but I admire your enthusiasm.

It would be hilarious to actually see him try and make something today. After admitting himself that his own content isn't up to today's standards.

Paul sees that we're catching on so he puts out some other bullshit to divert attention.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I've made no excuses so far in this thread. Other than not shooting for shit money. My original offer was like we used to shoot. So probably could shoot it on our existing kit. But will ask a few friends in the business to team up with me and be my assistants.

But then Paul insults the fuck out of Nathan, HOPING that he won't have to do the job....

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Originally Posted by plsureking

what kind of fucking asshole talks to a potential client like this??

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Originally Posted by BVF

The kind of asshole that does everything in his power to make sure that he's NOT hired for the job.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

An honest one.

30 minutes solo girl can get boring.

IMO the scenes on Brazzers are stretched out and I've told Fabian that.

I was sent to the wrong place.

And again being honest, want the right set up and can't just suddenly jump up and take off shooting like we used to.

Anyway I doubt if Fabian and I will ever be walking off into the sunset hand in hand.

Too late this asshole HAS been hired.

Really? You're hired?....So WHERE IS THE WORK!....But no...then you have to haggle over the fact that nobody even believes that you will shoot it and offers a BTS shooter...But then that's resolved.

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I do not hold a grudge, if he thinks he needs to talk to me that way, tough luck....

I just want to see that he delivers.. The BTS camera guy is a good idea... Paul, let's get one of those... I'll pay for that too. Paul, have him film you shooting the whole thing, so we can confirm that you actually do it yourself.

Paul once again makes an insult hoping to get fired.

[QUOTE=Paul Markham;17943360]You and I don't like each other. Me for your business practice of living off the work of others and selling things like penis pills. You because I have the balls to flame you.

Good I will find someone to shoot me shooting the content and add it to the bill.

If you make the script require a girl who speaks English it narrows my choice. If you choose a girl who speaks English with an American accent it gives you the perfect "Get out of this for free" ticket. Because being in Czech I don't think I will be able to find one of those. Hope you don't keep turning down the girls I put up.QUOTE]

I see the bullshit and tell him to SHUT THE FUCK UP...

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Originally Posted by BVF

Stop typing and start shooting something.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why not take his money?

If he's willing to give $3,000 to a person who has publicly stated many times he's retired and physically impaired I'm stupid not to take it.

Not trying to get out of it sweetheart. I want his money.

Really?....so WHERE IS THE FUCKING SCENE??

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I think the idea was to see what I could shoot. In fact some wanted proof I shot it. But yes that's an option. hire a shooter and direct it.

It won't please you, Damian, Fabian and loads of other trolls. But $3,000 from someone who uses other peoples content to make money seems to be fine. Getting a little back for the videos of mine he's had on his site and others he advertises on.

Again, all type and no action.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He will use this as his Get Out of Jail Free card at his peril.

He was the idiot to take up my gauntlet. He lost face the moment he offered an invalid the chance to make $3,000 IMO. Especially one he spends all his time arguing with.

Anyone who thinks my physical abilities is an indication of my knowledge is also an idiot. What a useless pointless exercise.

My win situation is $3,000 and seeing trolls call his praise.

no YOU will use it as a get out of jail free card and already tried it...However, nobody believes you.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No way will I back out. Got nothing to lose. I know none of the trolls will like it. Don't care if you do. Don't think it will reflect my knowledge because of my physical condition, so why not?

I'm making some money back TO ME & EVA for the pirated movies on Tubes and other places.

No you aren't....

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I will sign it. I'm not part of the company anymore, don't you read this thread?

I will sign it when I have approved it and have all my things lined up. I don't sign contracts half cocked.

Replied to your email.

I WILL NEED A LOGIN TO YOUR SITE TO SEE WHAT THE STANDARD IS. WITHOUT THAT I'M IN THE DARK ABOUT WHAT I'M SHOOTING AT.

If you wont give it to me we can all assume why. I need to better than your guys and see what you think is acceptable or do I have to be better than you buy?

Here he comes with the next set of demands.....And then other shooters start to notice the BS also.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Paul, you are really taking disrespect to a whole new level here. Insulting the client that is hiring you over and over again. Bragging about how your work is better than every other shooter when in fact your style has a very dated look to it, and on top of that is limited to non- (or barely) English speaking European models. And worse of all, before you have even signed the contract you are already preparing your excuse as to why the work won't be as great as you claimed it would be because of your lack of up to date video equipment and overall poor health. You have had a long successful career but even with that you don't know everything. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself with your carrying on in this thread.

I see the excuses also

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Originally Posted by BVF

here we go with the BULLSHIT....There are Brazzers passes all over the fucking net...And there are Brazzers videos all over the net....Either way, once the password is given, there will be yet ANOTHER demand...

All this rigamaroll over a solo girl scene?

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Originally Posted by BVF

Yep...I called this BS pages and pages ago....NOBODY will do anything except type even more pages and pages of theories and arguments.

And again......

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Originally Posted by BVF

No....What I, and what a lot of other people are starting to realize what you're selling:

Also, who is to say that you won't deliver them some BS and give them the finger just to say that you fucked over some pirates?...Who here would give a fuck and hold you accountable for that if you did it?

JUST SHOOT THE FUCKING SCENE YOU OLD LYING BASTARD!

NOW after you got him to pay you the 3k upfront...You come with some other shit about some other clause

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Do you know he will accept it. If so how?

Then why doesn't he want that clause removed?

This is a no off shoot. Afterwards he will go back to shooting the crap he's already shooting in Mofos. You would reshoot it to keep him buying.

I HAVE TO RE-SHOOT BECAUSE I GAVE MY WORD.

Nice to see you will shoot it 6 scenes for that price. I don't have to.

Just Dave. That's not what it says and it's down to me giving my word that's important.
If my stuff is standard contract shit. Then you lost a ton of money working for peanuts. You and Jim.

And it goes on and on.........You say you gave your word yet did nothing....So now after all of that shit, you're trying to say that NATHAN backed out of the contract?...

You're an old fool....

ReggieDurango · 03-23-2011, 04:47 PM

A very nice summary, BVF!

Robbie · 03-23-2011, 04:54 PM

I believe Paul just said he was thinking about shooting it anyway for himself just to prove he still can. So you guys might be a bit premature accusing him of running scared.

I personally would rather see him shoot it for himself and make money off of it that way, than to shoot something that would make money for Fabian.

BVF · 03-23-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I believe Paul just said he was thinking about shooting it anyway for himself just to prove he still can. So you guys might be a bit premature accusing him of running scared.

I personally would rather see him shoot it for himself and make money off of it that way, than to shoot something that would make money for Fabian.

Dude...we are on PAGE 17!!!!
I'm glad that you still believe in him....It warms my heart!

Robbie · 03-23-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Dude...we are on PAGE 17!!!!
I'm glad that you still believe in him....It warms my heart!

What can I say? I admire his work. I admire that he doesn't give a fuck. And I admire him talking down to Fabian (which is what he should do).

Can't help it. I just kinda like the idea of him sitting over in Europe somewhere giving Fabian the finger and laughing at all of us. It's kinda what I want to do one day.

justinsain · 03-23-2011, 05:12 PM

The only thing BFV left out was this quote where Paul states he wanted to shoot the model in a PMT T-shirt so his brand was on Nathan's site. That's a move that would need to be discussed between the two prior to the shooting. For Paul to do it on his own accord shows a lot of disrespect and is exactly why there was the clause he questioned.

Paul went on and on claiming how great a shooter he was and how everyone today sucks.

Nathan challenged him to prove it with a normal job offer and continually tried to meet Paul's unreasonable demands.

Clearly Paul has no intention of actually doing the shoot and is just content to type away
as if he has us all fooled. Most likely Nathan has left the thread for two reasons, he has better things to do and was only here at his leisure and his original challenge of exposing Paul for what he really is has been accomplished.

This game is over so now I think I'll go hang out in the greatest side boob thread ever

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I was actually thinking of doing a great shoot with the girl in a Paul Markham Teens T-Shirt like this. Making sure it was in shot all the time.

But Eva said it was mean and said I should shoot it properly.

I'm not going to take his money, nor deliver anything but my best work. Just thought it would be a giggle to do it in one of our T Shirts, let's face it Manwin has no problem making money from other peoples content. Would be nice if he put it on his sites.

Robbie · 03-23-2011, 05:17 PM

Hey justinsain....Don't forget that the money that Fabian is playing with to pay Paul...is off the backs of all of us. Fabian deserves no respect. And like it or not, Paul has been in the porn business a loonnnggg time. Fabian was a programmer and is now a front man. He's never even been to a porn shoot.

In degrees of usefullness on a porn set...Paul is a master. Fabian would be totally useless.

And yeah, that is a great sideboob thread.

justinsain · 03-23-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Hey justinsain....Don't forget that the money that Fabian is playing with to pay Paul...is off the backs of all of us. Fabian deserves no respect. And like it or not, Paul has been in the porn business a loonnnggg time. Fabian was a programmer and is now a front man. He's never even been to a porn shoot.

In degrees of usefullness on a porn set...Paul is a master. Fabian would be totally useless.

And yeah, that is a great sideboob thread.

I'm a photographer and have several websites. I absolutely HATE piracy and detest anyone that feels it's OK to steal someone else's intellectual property. I sold my first picture to a Surfing magazine way back in 1977

Things were a lot different back then I can't believe how things are today so I'm right there with you on that.

Honestly, I was willing to put aside all of Nathan's history and look at this as a challenge between two people as if they just met. I saw it as a public challenge. Apparently it was personal.

Paul was originally speaking to everyone here and it was Nathan that stepped up and was willing to give Paul an opportunity to back up his claims and give it credibility.

Lets take Nathan out of the picture and pretend someone you really respect stepped up and challenged Paul in the same manner. Do you really believe Paul would've done the shoot? Is this thread about great photography or just trolling Nathan?

I don't see how a person can start a thread trying to be informative and at the same time fill it with BS even if it's directed towards someone they don't respect. It's a contradiction and I don't see how they can be taken seriously.

BVF · 03-23-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Hey justinsain....Don't forget that the money that Fabian is playing with to pay Paul...is off the backs of all of us. Fabian deserves no respect. And like it or not, Paul has been in the porn business a loonnnggg time. Fabian was a programmer and is now a front man. He's never even been to a porn shoot.

In degrees of usefullness on a porn set...Paul is a master. Fabian would be totally useless.

And yeah, that is a great sideboob thread.

True....But if you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk....No matter what.....There is nothing "cool" about yapping about shit that you know you can't do while sitting in some shithole potato farming village in czech.

Robbie · 03-23-2011, 06:51 PM

justinsain, Who knows brother? Maybe Paul is just sitting back laughing at Fabian. And Fabian is so damn dumb that HE is laughing at Paul and basking in the glow of hundreds of trolls on GFY

I'm not sure what Paul would do with a "challenge" from somebody else. He didn't take this "challenge" seriously until Fabian agreed to pay his price. Which right there showed that Fabian is a horrible businessman and that Paul is much smarter than he is by drawing him in and having him agree to pay $3,000 for a shoot of a girl masturbating.

To me this whole thread isn't about whether or not Paul Markham is a superior photographer...it's pretty obvious from his credentials that he definitely is. And I would say that if magazines & the DVD industry were still big...that very few guys (including the ones Brazzers have) would currently be up to the level to shoot for them.

To me...the whole thread is about Fabian and his complete power trip and ego run amock. He's like the Barney Fife of porn. He had nothing to do with Mansef becoming so big. He had nothing to do with the making of the money that was used to purchase the company. And yet, he is completely wrapped in himself thinking he is now a master of porn.

That is what is driving this thread. And you can watch all the people attacking Markham and babbling on and on about whether or not this "challenge" can be met...and it's like watching a Pro wrestling match. But instead of two guys pretending to be fighters and one guy is the good guy and one guy is the bad guy...we have one guy pretending to have any knowledge of porn at all (Fabian), and one guy pretending that he gives a shit (Paul)

That's what is really happening here. And I love watching it.

In the end, I'll still respect Paul for his work over the years. That is real. Fabian? Uh...I respect him for programming the first version of NATS. He was a good employee at TMM. Then he opened a small paysite and affiliate program and it failed big time. Then he talked his way into his current job working for the real owners of Manwin. And that really is kinda impressive.
Had to be some MASSIVE bullshit con job to be able to convince them to let a guy who had never ran a successful porn company or even been on set at a porn shoot....run this for them.

charlie g · 03-23-2011, 07:06 PM

Funny shit Robbie. I really would like to see Paul shoot this tho. I guess I am one of the few that respect his skills and actually try to learn something from him.

As far as Fabien/nathan goes, he is a fucking joke. I would venture to say he owns 0% of manwin and is a paid employee. I am guessing he pulls down about 150k-175k per year. Not bad for just trolling GFY....until the shit hits the fan anyway. Figureheads are just one fuckup away from being fall-guys.

plsureking · 03-23-2011, 07:32 PM

this thread is Paul's legacy..

we don't have retirement parties and Paul's never won an AVN or XBIX award, so how will he be recognized for his lifetime achievements??

Paul has been going on and on for hundreds of posts about what he's accomplished in his life. no one here cares - cuz we are all assholes - but maybe some future visitor 50 years from now will find this thread and build a memorial to Markham.

Long Live Paul Markham.

(who?)

Agent 488 · 03-23-2011, 07:35 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4532617.stm

"For the vast majority of the adult industry there is no need to enslave the girls."
Paul Markham, Brno, Czech Republic

Robbie · 03-23-2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

we don't have retirement parties and Paul's never won an AVN or XBIX award, so how will he be recognized for his lifetime achievements??

I'm sure there were/are a lot of very good shooters that worked in the 1970's, 80's, and 90's who didn't win those awards. I'd say that Paul's legacy is his work. It's easy to make fun of people and laugh on a computer...but in real life, the guy did more than you and most of us will ever do in this business.

Paul Markham · 03-23-2011, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

What Paul? Did Fabian tell you he backed out? Or are you "assuming" he backed out?

I'm assuming. He seems to have gone AWOL.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I believe Paul just said he was thinking about shooting it anyway for himself just to prove he still can. So you guys might be a bit premature accusing him of running scared.

I personally would rather see him shoot it for himself and make money off of it that way, than to shoot something that would make money for Fabian.

I have something in mind. Will be talking to a few people on this soon.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Hey justinsain....Don't forget that the money that Fabian is playing with to pay Paul...is off the backs of all of us. Fabian deserves no respect. And like it or not, Paul has been in the porn business a loonnnggg time. Fabian was a programmer and is now a front man. He's never even been to a porn shoot.

In degrees of usefullness on a porn set...Paul is a master. Fabian would be totally useless.

And yeah, that is a great sideboob thread.

Fabian and some of his troll followers demanded or expected I should pay him respect because he's a client. He never was, he was a prospective client. And money has never bought my respect, maybe it buys theirs. For me respect is earned because it's deserved. Not seen any proof Fabian deserves any respect at all, except for being a programmer. On porn he's continually proved himself to be a fool.

From a porn perspective his sites are lousy for the money he says they spend.

As for the trolls who go on about my outrageous demands. They must be drinking, drugged or demented.

I asked for $3,000 for a set. Which I assumed would be like I used to shoot.

Fabian said 3 sets and videos for $3,000 Which did not agree to.

Fabian then said a set and video for $3,000 Which I agreed to. And agreed to sign his contract which is something I had never done before.

Fabian said he would make it an easy scene I could pick.When I did he changed it to one he picked, harder to shoot and limiting the girls I can use. I agreed to it.

I said $3,000 up front. Because I don't trust him. Trust is again earned. He changed the contract.

Fabian then demands a clause in the contract that is open to any interpretation. Not in court, but if I agree to something it doesn't need a court to settle it. I won't agree to HIS demand.

I don't care what others say they have to sign, shoot for or what ever. This started out as what it would take to get me back shooting. And shooting for a guy like Fabian and his measly money isn't it.

Paul Markham · 03-23-2011, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

I'm a photographer and have several websites. I absolutely HATE piracy and detest anyone that feels it's OK to steal someone else's intellectual property. I sold my first picture to a Surfing magazine way back in 1977

Things were a lot different back then I can't believe how things are today so I'm right there with you on that.

Honestly, I was willing to put aside all of Nathan's history and look at this as a challenge between two people as if they just met. I saw it as a public challenge. Apparently it was personal.

Paul was originally speaking to everyone here and it was Nathan that stepped up and was willing to give Paul an opportunity to back up his claims and give it credibility.

Lets take Nathan out of the picture and pretend someone you really respect stepped up and challenged Paul in the same manner. Do you really believe Paul would've done the shoot? Is this thread about great photography or just trolling Nathan?

I don't see how a person can start a thread trying to be informative and at the same time fill it with BS even if it's directed towards someone they don't respect. It's a contradiction and I don't see how they can be taken seriously.

Hi Justin
As you are another troll without a sig I looked at your profile. It lists this site. http://www.julie-clarke.com/

Amateur work, I hope it's not yours. Can't be the way you talk. Look at the webmaster link.

INever · 03-24-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by INever

Never skip a day without taking your medication.

I was the 2nd one here. Who knew?

INever · 03-24-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

this thread is Paul's legacy..

no one here cares - cuz we are all assholes -

Long Live Paul Markham.

(who?)

out loud

INever · 03-24-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So it made page 17, even if it was me helping it.

Paul, thanks for all the good times!

plsureking · 03-24-2011, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Hi Justin
As you are another troll without a sig I looked at your profile. It lists this site. http://www.julie-clarke.com/

Amateur work, I hope it's not yours. Can't be the way you talk. Look at the webmaster link.

now that is a site in desperate need of PornCMS.

Paul, my site copy please...

(although i think i am on ignore lol)
.

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 01:19 AM

This thread has inspired a ton of bullshit. And a lot of mindless flaming from trolls. And then an idea hit my tiny mind, well it's been mentioned here already, so it's not really my idea.

How about some of the trolls put their money and/or skills where their mouth is?

I propose a shooters contest, including Fabian's, on our skills to shoot decent porn.

We all shoot a solo girl scene, the easiest and cheapest so there's no excuses, of a set and a video. 120 frames and 15-25 minutes video.

We find someone anonymous or impartial to host the content. It will all be watermarked the same.

Then people can vote on who is the best.

If they spot the Czech girl I expect to lose.

So who's up for it?

INever, Robbie, Agent 488, plsureking, BVF,justinsain, ReggieDurango, Anthony, JustDaveXxx, Jim_Gunn, bjlover, Cherry7, theking, DamianJ?

I expect most of the trolls telling everyone what a shit shooter I am know what they're talking about and know how to shoot. They couldn't just be trolls shitting out on a challenge. We know they all posses cameras.

So no judging on whether it's in HD or SD. Surfers love porn shot on mobile phones so the quality of the image isn't important.

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

now that is a site in desperate need of PornCMS.

Paul, my site copy please...

(although i think i am on ignore lol)
.

No that site is in desperate need of a good shooter first, then a designer. A great CMS won't sell a bad site.

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

True....But if you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk....No matter what.....There is nothing "cool" about yapping about shit that you know you can't do while sitting in some shithole potato farming village in czech.

Actually it's vineyards and wine village.

Mind you the farmer at the end of the road grows a crop of potatoes, excellent ones.

Also corn, cabbage, broccoli and other veg. Good for fresh cheap veg.

ottopottomouse · 03-24-2011, 04:37 AM

Seeing as you keep saying you aren't hurting for cash why don't you just shoot it for fun anyway?

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

justinsain, Who knows brother? Maybe Paul is just sitting back laughing at Fabian. And Fabian is so damn dumb that HE is laughing at Paul and basking in the glow of hundreds of trolls on GFY

I'm not sure what Paul would do with a "challenge" from somebody else. He didn't take this "challenge" seriously until Fabian agreed to pay his price. Which right there showed that Fabian is a horrible businessman and that Paul is much smarter than he is by drawing him in and having him agree to pay $3,000 for a shoot of a girl masturbating.

To me this whole thread isn't about whether or not Paul Markham is a superior photographer...it's pretty obvious from his credentials that he definitely is. And I would say that if magazines & the DVD industry were still big...that very few guys (including the ones Brazzers have) would currently be up to the level to shoot for them.

To me...the whole thread is about Fabian and his complete power trip and ego run amock. He's like the Barney Fife of porn. He had nothing to do with Mansef becoming so big. He had nothing to do with the making of the money that was used to purchase the company. And yet, he is completely wrapped in himself thinking he is now a master of porn.

That is what is driving this thread. And you can watch all the people attacking Markham and babbling on and on about whether or not this "challenge" can be met...and it's like watching a Pro wrestling match. But instead of two guys pretending to be fighters and one guy is the good guy and one guy is the bad guy...we have one guy pretending to have any knowledge of porn at all (Fabian), and one guy pretending that he gives a shit (Paul)

That's what is really happening here. And I love watching it.

In the end, I'll still respect Paul for his work over the years. That is real. Fabian? Uh...I respect him for programming the first version of NATS. He was a good employee at TMM. Then he opened a small paysite and affiliate program and it failed big time. Then he talked his way into his current job working for the real owners of Manwin. And that really is kinda impressive.
Had to be some MASSIVE bullshit con job to be able to convince them to let a guy who had never ran a successful porn company or even been on set at a porn shoot....run this for them.

I'm amazed at this thread. A person who should be vilified on any industry board is being supported by trolls.

Fabian is clueless about porn, his sites are full of crap to medium quality content. I will post a review later of one of the scenes on Brazzers, it's the worse porn scene I've ever seen. The guy who thought up the idea and gave the script to the shooter should be fired.

If that's the quality of the staff running the content side you just have to wonder what the fuck are they doing.

As for Fabian. Like you I think he's a puppet. He's obviously clueless about porn and even though I'm sure NATS is a good system it's probably nothing a good programmer couldn't do. I doubt very much that he had the money to buy Mansef. And some of those proposing he went to the bank or found backers are showing their knowledge of real business. They might be able to do that with Playboy, Penthouse or Hustler. But not Mansef with a money laundering charge hanging over it.

In all honesty I hoped this would happen. I hope now a few sponsors or custom shooters take this challenge up so they can show their skills. But will they?

All should love the opportunity to show what their sites are full of or skills are. In reality they won't.

Grapesoda · 03-24-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I asked for $3,000 for a set.

whoa!!! wish I could buy a '70 for Chrysler Barracuda $2,764 1970

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

whoa!!! wish I could buy a '70 for Chrysler Barracuda $2,764 1970

If you were able to shoot for magazines $3,000 for a set wouldn't be that amazing. Now you shoot for ATK and it seems amazing. Don't you wish you had gotten in earlier. Like in 2005.

plsureking · 03-24-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Actually it's vineyards and wine village.

have u shot in the vineyards or the wineries?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

his sites are full of crap to medium quality content

they aren't selling content quality. only MET/Hegre/Femjoy are in the non-existent quality race. everybody else in porn sells on fantasy. porn stories are meant to trigger a fantasy to hook the surfer. the actual shoot is secondary, especially since no one sits thru a whole porn scene. well unless u cant get hard. if u are a porn surfer, u want fantasy - then action.

the reason porn is failing is that paysites fail to match the right fantasy to the surfer. each paysite is limited in scope and usually poor in marketing.

rather than wade thru hundreds of paysites, a surfer can just go to a big tube and find the right fantasy in their head, then get satisfaction. whether its free or not is irrelevant. people pay for what they want - even guys 18-30.

how much are video games? $50? these kids are conditioned to pay for software at an early age and they also pay for a lot of music. Britney Spears new album hit a sales record. i know there aren't a bunch of 40-60 years old bopping to her shit..

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I'm sure NATS is a good system

unless you've had to use GNATS or customize it, i would retract that statement. it is slow, confusing, and it uses smarty. you have to actually learn how to read a report (like payments) instead of it being intuitive. its a hunk of 90s era garbage. should have been rewritten more efficiently by now.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A great CMS won't sell a bad site.

a great cms with great marketing can sell anything. talk to Fabian.

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Grapesoda · 03-24-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you were able to shoot for magazines $3,000 for a set wouldn't be that amazing. Now you shoot for ATK and it seems amazing. Don't you wish you had gotten in earlier. Like in 2005.

was shooting for atk in 2000. never been really interested in shooting for mags Paul to be honest about it... when I got out of film TV it was nice to dump all all the hype/bullshit out of my life. wasn't really looking to bring it all back. plus I wasn't a photographer at the time... so go ahead and post laughing Gif's and feel superior to all of us if it takes you though the night (do you have a small dick? you sure act like it)

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 09:15 AM

So here's a review of the worse scene I've seen in a very very long time.

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Irish girl video with Trina Micheals.
The scene starts off with some backing music, it's an Irish Jig!!

The editor is taking the piss with the Irish music. Too loud and too silly.

Also the shooter starts the scene off by zooming in and out. I'm getting dizzy already.

Again a mega fake studio scene I think this is honor of St David's Day more than porn.

This scene could be any girl as so far we've seen little of her, except her rear.

3 minutes in and I had to stop wanking to do an Irish jig to keep in theme with the music.

8:52 and the guy appears and the editor turns off the fuck awful fucking music (what happened to good fucking music in porn?).

15:40 into the scene and all that has happened is the guy ramming things into the girls ass, the girl has her lines off pat.

Oh Fuck

Oh Yes

& the occasional "fuck my ass." With about as much feeling as it takes to order a coffee. It's too long, too fake and too stereotyped.

20:00 in and the ass play has finished, I can't believe someone shot 11 minutes of this stuff, it was basically about the girl's ass and this anon guy ramming fingers and toys into her ass and pussy. 3 minutes would of been good, 11 minutes gets fucking boring. If a guy is jerking off he's cum by now, if he's not he's gone to sleep. There's nothing to keep him horny and not get him off.

That's the secret with porn. A man will jerk off for 10 to 15 minutes before cumming, exceptions permitted. This is why most scenes are 20-25 minutes long, including comedy. You intrigue him with the build up, show him some real tease and then start the action. It's like cooking slowly build to a boil and then let simmer.

20 minutes in and it's the first time the girl has really spoken to the guy. OK a stereotype phrase but at least it's something. Now we have 26 minutes of sex.

26;20 and we are getting some fucking. By now a good scene would be on the cum shot. Or fading to black.

To be honest I stopped watching it this point. It's too long, too few positions (they completely forgot Spoons or doggy) too fake and too stereotyped.

There are 1117 screen grabs for 46;28 minutes of scene so one every 4.15 seconds. Who ever thought of the idea of shooting so much of her ass, needs to be given the sack.

It's meant to be an anal scene. The idiot who wrote this obviously has no clue what an anal scene is. To try and shoot one and miss the classic anal fuck scenes is like making bread without flour. It can be done, but who the fuck wants to eat it.

The shooter didn't know enough to get it right, doesn't care enough to get it right and no one seems to care, just throw it up and fill the site.

The actors clearly weren't bothered either.

Brazzers site is full of this kind of porn. And that's sad because they should be setting new standards of excellence.

DWB · 03-24-2011, 09:25 AM

God damn this thread is strong. Still going!

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

have u shot in the vineyards or the wineries?

Of course.

Just one of the scenes we did before we shut up shooting.

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they aren't selling content quality. only MET/Hegre/Femjoy are in the non-existent quality race. everybody else in porn sells on fantasy. porn stories are meant to trigger a fantasy to hook the surfer. the actual shoot is secondary, especially since no one sits thru a whole porn scene. well unless u cant get hard. if u are a porn surfer, u want fantasy - then action.

Quality porn is all about the fantasy. Quality photography is something else.

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the reason porn is failing is that paysites fail to match the right fantasy to the surfer. each paysite is limited in scope and usually poor in marketing.

You don't have a clue about marketing porn. So please STFU.

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rather than wade thru hundreds of paysites, a surfer can just go to a big tube and find the right fantasy in their head, then get satisfaction. whether its free or not is irrelevant. people pay for what they want - even guys 18-30.

Agreed 100% Tubes would still sell if they were $30 a month.

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unless you've had to use GNATS or customize it, i would retract that statement. it is slow, confusing, and it uses smarty. you have to actually learn how to read a report (like payments) instead of it being intuitive. its a hunk of 90s era garbage. should have been rewritten more efficiently by now.

I'm sure it's not something a good programmer can't do.

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a great cms with great marketing can sell anything. talk to Fabian.

Not when you're selling a repeat buy product to a repeat buy customer.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on you.

One of the reasons sales are falling is as you point out Tubes are far better than most membership sites. They're full of low quality porn and the major money is spent on marketing to get new customers to replace old customers.

So customers start to see that paid porn isn't delivering what they want. The next time they see a site that might interest them they remember the bad experiences and are more wary. As this repeats itself they become more and more wary. In the end Tubes are the better choice.

Of course if you believe what a marketing man tells you over your own experiences you're one of the few.

This is the problem, we have all built up suspicions after being sold something by fast talking salesmen or glossy ads. We learn. Yet we think the surfer doesn't he will keep giving us his money, so long as we do the marketing right.

Illogical.

And what ever we do manage to sell him, once he gets into the site the retention relies 100% on the content. Too many scenes like the ones on Brazzers and he's off, never to return.

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

was shooting for atk in 2000. never been really interested in shooting for mags Paul to be honest about it... when I got out of film TV it was nice to dump all all the hype/bullshit out of my life. wasn't really looking to bring it all back. plus I wasn't a photographer at the time... so go ahead and post laughing Gif's and feel superior to all of us if it takes you though the night (do you have a small dick? you sure act like it)

We were never interested in shooting for ATK after we did 2 shoots and realised $1500 for 5 full scenes was shit money. That's my excuse for not shooting much custom.

What's your excuse for not being really interested?

As for bullshit and hype. Never got that from magazine editors. They were always dead straight, told you right away what they thought and if they would buy.

Robbie · 03-24-2011, 09:39 AM

Holy shit...that IS a terrible scene of theirs you posted Paul. Sounds like they are using a program to grab screencaps instead of doing it by hand as well.

And that set? I could use it. But I'd concoct a cheesy insane storyline where CM takes a hit of acid and is tripping (about 2, maybe 3 minutes of comedy dialogue), then have a ripped up stud fuck the hell out of her in the ass (about 15 minutes of action) on that set (which she is hallucinating), and then have her "wake up" from the acid trip covered in cum lying on the ground outside with the guy now dressed like a nasty old bum with a big grin on his face.

But that shit you just showed us? Paul I think you may have indeed found their very worst scene. lol

I'm sure they have tons of good scenes...but hopefully that one was a shooter auditioning and they shitcanned him afterwards and stuck the scene in the paysite so as not to "waste" it.

BVF · 03-24-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This thread has inspired a ton of bullshit. And a lot of mindless flaming from trolls. And then an idea hit my tiny mind, well it's been mentioned here already, so it's not really my idea.

How about some of the trolls put their money and/or skills where their mouth is?

I propose a shooters contest, including Fabian's, on our skills to shoot decent porn.

We all shoot a solo girl scene, the easiest and cheapest so there's no excuses, of a set and a video. 120 frames and 15-25 minutes video.

We find someone anonymous or impartial to host the content. It will all be watermarked the same.

Then people can vote on who is the best.

If they spot the Czech girl I expect to lose.

So who's up for it?

INever, Robbie, Agent 488, plsureking, BVF,justinsain, ReggieDurango, Anthony, JustDaveXxx, Jim_Gunn, bjlover, Cherry7, theking, DamianJ?

I expect most of the trolls telling everyone what a shit shooter I am know what they're talking about and know how to shoot. They couldn't just be trolls shitting out on a challenge. We know they all posses cameras.

So no judging on whether it's in HD or SD. Surfers love porn shot on mobile phones so the quality of the image isn't important.

Motherfucker, you have no right to challenge ANYBODY after you bitched out on your own challenge....You wanted 3k and somebody offered it...Now it's "I'm not going to shoot for his MEASLY money".....And you will see that I CLEARLY said in this thread that I wouldn't say your scene was shit if it wasn't shit....

Get the fuck outta here...You don't have the respect to pull anything like a big contest together.......I have CUSTOMERS that I need to satisfy....

Cherry7 · 03-24-2011, 09:55 AM

Nice to be invited to shoot... but as we disagree on so many levels with people shooting here we would see no point. We gladly admit we make bad porn.

Unlike Paul we believe in reading books, even in education...we believe a "hot scene" is better if it is shot in high quality.

We also believe that there is no reason why the erotic could not be an art form in the same way normal culture makes crime into art.

When you talk about well shot do you compare what you do to a professional program like "The Wire" or professional photography in say Vogue ?

So we take the most beautiful girls and film them nicely and this is what we get...

And here is the porn movies we make

Barbie' sWashday

Somehow we hav'nt got the hang of making proper porn yet....

BVF · 03-24-2011, 09:55 AM

And for the record, I don't give a flying FUCK about Nathan or Manwin.....But once you open your fucking trap, BACK IT UP!!

ottopottomouse · 03-24-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Barbie' sWashday

That must take forever to film frame by frame.

plsureking · 03-24-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You don't have a clue about marketing porn. So please STFU.

this is an attack on my marketing business - marketmofo.com - and a rules violation.

proof or be banned mother fucker

you slam all these guys for knowing nothing about marketing (Damian/Robby/Fabian) but you are just a has-been photographer and a fucking idiot to think you know anything beyond photography.

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INever · 03-24-2011, 11:37 AM

Shooters contest? That goes on in buy and sell everyday. Either it sells or it doesnt

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Holy shit...that IS a terrible scene of theirs you posted Paul. Sounds like they are using a program to grab screencaps instead of doing it by hand as well.

And that set? I could use it. But I'd concoct a cheesy insane storyline where CM takes a hit of acid and is tripping (about 2, maybe 3 minutes of comedy dialogue), then have a ripped up stud fuck the hell out of her in the ass (about 15 minutes of action) on that set (which she is hallucinating), and then have her "wake up" from the acid trip covered in cum lying on the ground outside with the guy now dressed like a nasty old bum with a big grin on his face.

But that shit you just showed us? Paul I think you may have indeed found their very worst scene. lol

I'm sure they have tons of good scenes...but hopefully that one was a shooter auditioning and they shitcanned him afterwards and stuck the scene in the paysite so as not to "waste" it.

Yes all the screencaps in the site are like this. And there are other scenes like this as well. The basic problem isn't the shooter, it's the organisation behind him. If he was auditioning who chose him? He's poor.

Worse than that is the guy that dreamed up the scene. WTF was he smoking? Loads of their scenes are the same. Dreamed up with no real idea of what porn is, maybe I found Fabian's real job at Manwin. The idea of starting off a fuck scene with 11 minutes of the girl doing little but wiggling her ass at the camera while some Irish Jig music is edited in over the top shows stupidity.

Then allowing two plastic models fuck like these two shows bad shooting, but who booked them?

The whole thing is crap and a waste of time, disc space and members time.

The "Good" scenes on their site are just average scenes. They do have one shooter who clearly knows what he's doing. but it's shot in a way that's been done to death and on so many sites it's now boring.

Bangbus came out 10-12 years ago and showed the way. They took an idea that had been done sporadically on video and made it into a whole theme for a site. They innovated and surfers responded. Perfect Gonzo took a great shooter and made some great porn, sadly when he went to the DVD industry, Evil Angel I was told, they never replaced him. And that's just 2 examples of how it should be done.

Give surfers bloody good reasons to spend money. And those reasons can't be "marketing" because once bitten twice shy. Surfers don't believe all the hype, they know bullshit when they see it by now. They look at the content and the content only before making a decision to spend.

Still problems with piracy and free, but still a few willing to pay and that's how to make them. Throwing more free content at them clearly no longer works.

plsureking this kind of content can't be overcome with marketing. Porn is a repeat buy product by repeat buy customers. This pisses them off and makes Tubes a better deal for them. That's my proof.

If you think words and design fool anyone after 15 years of online porn you're kidding yourself.

Now if marketing porn is something different please inform us. Show us you have a clue what marketing is about. Or show I'm right. If you show me something that proves your right. From your site I don't see anything great.

Those tricks worked 10 years ago. Today they don't the buyers are wiser. Shouting out the same message over and over just herds traffic. That's not real marketing. It's as if marketing is giving out fliers on the high street. The lowest form.

As for only knowing how to shoot. How silly.

Guys that only know how to shoot are working for Fabian or for a shooter who can market. They don't know how to market or sell their product to the best markets. I've been in business for nearly 4 decades, even before I came to porn I was in business.

Without the ability to market and sell my content I would of been gone 30 years ago. Without the ability to manage a business I would of been gone long ago, without the ability to manage staff I would of been gone long ago. I employed 3 shooters in a 3500 SQ ft studio and an office of 5 people at our height in 2005.

To say I only know how to shoot is stupid. Truth is I know very little about photography. I'm a pornographer who can market himself, sell his and his staff's content in the highest paying markets, run a business and manage staff.

You think throwing mud at a wall is marketing.

Maybe to newbies, but not guys who have a clue. Here's one of the first things I learned when being taught about real marketing.

In WW2, the best ground to air defense against planes was the Anti Aircraft gun. It sprayed the sky with exploding shells in the hope of hitting something. 500 shells to get one hit. Today they use a ground to air guided missiles. 1 missile 1 hit. Real marketing is identifying the 1 missile that will make your prospective client buy.

Not spraying out garbage that everyone else sprays out.

Agent 488 · 03-24-2011, 12:59 PM

blah blah no one cares ................. you had your shot you got scared now back to puzzles and ironing.

Paul Markham · 03-24-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Motherfucker, you have no right to challenge ANYBODY after you bitched out on your own challenge....You wanted 3k and somebody offered it...Now it's "I'm not going to shoot for his MEASLY money".....And you will see that I CLEARLY said in this thread that I wouldn't say your scene was shit if it wasn't shit....

Get the fuck outta here...You don't have the respect to pull anything like a big contest together.......I have CUSTOMERS that I need to satisfy....

So put up one of those scenes. No need to shoot anything.

Don't expect anyone to take it up especially loud mouth clowns. That's why I threw it up. To see who has balls instead of big mouths.

Your content would be easy to spot. Spot the ghetto whore.

Once I get the money from Fabian I will shoot. I never said anything about a contract. I agreed to his terms of signing a contract, just want one part crystal clear. If I can shoot a scene as horny as the Irish Jig one, it's a done deal. He can put that in the contract, that's clearly acceptable.

Good night trolls.

ReggieDurango · 03-24-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by paul markham

so put up one of those scenes. No need to shoot anything.

Don't expect anyone to take it up especially loud mouth clowns. That's why i threw it up. To see who has balls instead of big mouths.

Your content would be easy to spot. Spot the ghetto whore.

once i get the money from fabian i will shoot. I never said anything about a contract. I agreed to his terms of signing a contract, just want one part crystal clear. If i can shoot a scene as horny as the irish jig one, it's a done deal. He can put that in the contract, that's clearly acceptable.

good night trolls.

What????
Does this mean you're doing it?

Kiopa_Matt · 03-24-2011, 01:06 PM

You've dug so much, you should be in China by now. Geez... learn how to bow out graciously.

03-23-2011, 03:25 PM	#802
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	Paul, this is probably the biggest Dick Tuck I've ever seen on the web. There's nothing stopping you from doing this. Nothing. __________________

03-23-2011, 04:09 PM	#803
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	Mad views in this thread. __________________ See sig...

03-23-2011, 04:54 PM	#808
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,845	I believe Paul just said he was thinking about shooting it anyway for himself just to prove he still can. So you guys might be a bit premature accusing him of running scared. I personally would rather see him shoot it for himself and make money off of it that way, than to shoot something that would make money for Fabian. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

03-23-2011, 05:17 PM	#812
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,845	Hey justinsain....Don't forget that the money that Fabian is playing with to pay Paul...is off the backs of all of us. Fabian deserves no respect. And like it or not, Paul has been in the porn business a loonnnggg time. Fabian was a programmer and is now a front man. He's never even been to a porn shoot. In degrees of usefullness on a porn set...Paul is a master. Fabian would be totally useless. And yeah, that is a great sideboob thread. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

03-23-2011, 06:51 PM	#815
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,845	justinsain, Who knows brother? Maybe Paul is just sitting back laughing at Fabian. And Fabian is so damn dumb that HE is laughing at Paul and basking in the glow of hundreds of trolls on GFY I'm not sure what Paul would do with a "challenge" from somebody else. He didn't take this "challenge" seriously until Fabian agreed to pay his price. Which right there showed that Fabian is a horrible businessman and that Paul is much smarter than he is by drawing him in and having him agree to pay $3,000 for a shoot of a girl masturbating. To me this whole thread isn't about whether or not Paul Markham is a superior photographer...it's pretty obvious from his credentials that he definitely is. And I would say that if magazines & the DVD industry were still big...that very few guys (including the ones Brazzers have) would currently be up to the level to shoot for them. To me...the whole thread is about Fabian and his complete power trip and ego run amock. He's like the Barney Fife of porn. He had nothing to do with Mansef becoming so big. He had nothing to do with the making of the money that was used to purchase the company. And yet, he is completely wrapped in himself thinking he is now a master of porn. That is what is driving this thread. And you can watch all the people attacking Markham and babbling on and on about whether or not this "challenge" can be met...and it's like watching a Pro wrestling match. But instead of two guys pretending to be fighters and one guy is the good guy and one guy is the bad guy...we have one guy pretending to have any knowledge of porn at all (Fabian), and one guy pretending that he gives a shit (Paul) That's what is really happening here. And I love watching it. In the end, I'll still respect Paul for his work over the years. That is real. Fabian? Uh...I respect him for programming the first version of NATS. He was a good employee at TMM. Then he opened a small paysite and affiliate program and it failed big time. Then he talked his way into his current job working for the real owners of Manwin. And that really is kinda impressive. Had to be some MASSIVE bullshit con job to be able to convince them to let a guy who had never ran a successful porn company or even been on set at a porn shoot....run this for them. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

03-23-2011, 03:14 PM	#801
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	no one gives a fuck anymore.

03-23-2011, 04:15 PM	#805
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	paul chickened out. was full of shit. created ridiculous demands so he wouldn't have to do the shoot.

03-23-2011, 04:47 PM	#807
ReggieDurango Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,760	A very nice summary, BVF!

03-23-2011, 07:06 PM	#816
charlie g Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Center of the Universe Posts: 2,758	Funny shit Robbie. I really would like to see Paul shoot this tho. I guess I am one of the few that respect his skills and actually try to learn something from him. As far as Fabien/nathan goes, he is a fucking joke. I would venture to say he owns 0% of manwin and is a paid employee. I am guessing he pulls down about 150k-175k per year. Not bad for just trolling GFY....until the shit hits the fan anyway. Figureheads are just one fuckup away from being fall-guys. __________________ AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com -------------------------------

03-23-2011, 07:32 PM	#817
plsureking bored Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Metaverse Posts: 4,675	this thread is Paul's legacy.. we don't have retirement parties and Paul's never won an AVN or XBIX award, so how will he be recognized for his lifetime achievements?? Paul has been going on and on for hundreds of posts about what he's accomplished in his life. no one here cares - cuz we are all assholes - but maybe some future visitor 50 years from now will find this thread and build a memorial to Markham. Long Live Paul Markham. (who?) __________________ #

03-23-2011, 07:35 PM	#818
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4532617.stm "For the vast majority of the adult industry there is no need to enslave the girls." Paul Markham, Brno, Czech Republic

03-24-2011, 01:19 AM	#826
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	This thread has inspired a ton of bullshit. And a lot of mindless flaming from trolls. And then an idea hit my tiny mind, well it's been mentioned here already, so it's not really my idea. How about some of the trolls put their money and/or skills where their mouth is? I propose a shooters contest, including Fabian's, on our skills to shoot decent porn. We all shoot a solo girl scene, the easiest and cheapest so there's no excuses, of a set and a video. 120 frames and 15-25 minutes video. We find someone anonymous or impartial to host the content. It will all be watermarked the same. Then people can vote on who is the best. If they spot the Czech girl I expect to lose. So who's up for it? INever, Robbie, Agent 488, plsureking, BVF,justinsain, ReggieDurango, Anthony, JustDaveXxx, Jim_Gunn, bjlover, Cherry7, theking, DamianJ? I expect most of the trolls telling everyone what a shit shooter I am know what they're talking about and know how to shoot. They couldn't just be trolls shitting out on a challenge. We know they all posses cameras. So no judging on whether it's in HD or SD. Surfers love porn shot on mobile phones so the quality of the image isn't important. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-24-2011, 04:37 AM	#829
ottopottomouse She is ugly, bad luck. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,177	Seeing as you keep saying you aren't hurting for cash why don't you just shoot it for fun anyway? __________________ ↑ see post ↑ 13101

03-24-2011, 09:25 AM	#836
DWB Giggity Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: S.E. Asia Posts: 31,779	God damn this thread is strong. Still going!

03-24-2011, 09:39 AM	#839
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,845	Holy shit...that IS a terrible scene of theirs you posted Paul. Sounds like they are using a program to grab screencaps instead of doing it by hand as well. And that set? I could use it. But I'd concoct a cheesy insane storyline where CM takes a hit of acid and is tripping (about 2, maybe 3 minutes of comedy dialogue), then have a ripped up stud fuck the hell out of her in the ass (about 15 minutes of action) on that set (which she is hallucinating), and then have her "wake up" from the acid trip covered in cum lying on the ground outside with the guy now dressed like a nasty old bum with a big grin on his face. But that shit you just showed us? Paul I think you may have indeed found their very worst scene. lol I'm sure they have tons of good scenes...but hopefully that one was a shooter auditioning and they shitcanned him afterwards and stuck the scene in the paysite so as not to "waste" it. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

03-24-2011, 09:55 AM	#841
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Nice to be invited to shoot... but as we disagree on so many levels with people shooting here we would see no point. We gladly admit we make bad porn. Unlike Paul we believe in reading books, even in education...we believe a "hot scene" is better if it is shot in high quality. We also believe that there is no reason why the erotic could not be an art form in the same way normal culture makes crime into art. When you talk about well shot do you compare what you do to a professional program like "The Wire" or professional photography in say Vogue ? So we take the most beautiful girls and film them nicely and this is what we get... And here is the porn movies we make Barbie' sWashday Somehow we hav'nt got the hang of making proper porn yet.... __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

03-24-2011, 09:55 AM	#842
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03-24-2011, 11:37 AM	#845
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,394	Shooters contest? That goes on in buy and sell everyday. Either it sells or it doesnt __________________ I love Camdough

03-24-2011, 12:59 PM	#847
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	blah blah no one cares ................. you had your shot you got scared now back to puzzles and ironing.

03-24-2011, 01:06 PM	#850
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