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Paul, this is probably the biggest Dick Tuck I've ever seen on the web.
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paul chickened out. was full of shit. created ridiculous demands so he wouldn't have to do the shoot.
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Here is a synopsis for those who don't want to read page after page of bullshit
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[QUOTE=Paul Markham;17943360]You and I don't like each other. Me for your business practice of living off the work of others and selling things like penis pills. You because I have the balls to flame you. Good I will find someone to shoot me shooting the content and add it to the bill. If you make the script require a girl who speaks English it narrows my choice. If you choose a girl who speaks English with an American accent it gives you the perfect "Get out of this for free" ticket. Because being in Czech I don't think I will be able to find one of those. Hope you don't keep turning down the girls I put up.QUOTE] I see the bullshit and tell him to SHUT THE FUCK UP... Quote:
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A very nice summary, BVF!
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I believe Paul just said he was thinking about shooting it anyway for himself just to prove he still can. So you guys might be a bit premature accusing him of running scared.
I personally would rather see him shoot it for himself and make money off of it that way, than to shoot something that would make money for Fabian. |
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I'm glad that you still believe in him....It warms my heart! |
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Can't help it. I just kinda like the idea of him sitting over in Europe somewhere giving Fabian the finger and laughing at all of us. It's kinda what I want to do one day. :1orglaugh |
The only thing BFV left out was this quote where Paul states he wanted to shoot the model in a PMT T-shirt so his brand was on Nathan's site. That's a move that would need to be discussed between the two prior to the shooting. For Paul to do it on his own accord shows a lot of disrespect and is exactly why there was the clause he questioned.
Paul went on and on claiming how great a shooter he was and how everyone today sucks. Nathan challenged him to prove it with a normal job offer and continually tried to meet Paul's unreasonable demands. Clearly Paul has no intention of actually doing the shoot and is just content to type away as if he has us all fooled. Most likely Nathan has left the thread for two reasons, he has better things to do and was only here at his leisure and his original challenge of exposing Paul for what he really is has been accomplished. This game is over so now I think I'll go hang out in the greatest side boob thread ever :winkwink: Quote:
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Hey justinsain....Don't forget that the money that Fabian is playing with to pay Paul...is off the backs of all of us. Fabian deserves no respect. And like it or not, Paul has been in the porn business a loonnnggg time. Fabian was a programmer and is now a front man. He's never even been to a porn shoot.
In degrees of usefullness on a porn set...Paul is a master. Fabian would be totally useless. And yeah, that is a great sideboob thread. :pimp |
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Honestly, I was willing to put aside all of Nathan's history and look at this as a challenge between two people as if they just met. I saw it as a public challenge. Apparently it was personal. Paul was originally speaking to everyone here and it was Nathan that stepped up and was willing to give Paul an opportunity to back up his claims and give it credibility. Lets take Nathan out of the picture and pretend someone you really respect stepped up and challenged Paul in the same manner. Do you really believe Paul would've done the shoot? Is this thread about great photography or just trolling Nathan? I don't see how a person can start a thread trying to be informative and at the same time fill it with BS even if it's directed towards someone they don't respect. It's a contradiction and I don't see how they can be taken seriously. |
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justinsain, Who knows brother? Maybe Paul is just sitting back laughing at Fabian. And Fabian is so damn dumb that HE is laughing at Paul and basking in the glow of hundreds of trolls on GFY :1orglaugh
I'm not sure what Paul would do with a "challenge" from somebody else. He didn't take this "challenge" seriously until Fabian agreed to pay his price. Which right there showed that Fabian is a horrible businessman and that Paul is much smarter than he is by drawing him in and having him agree to pay $3,000 for a shoot of a girl masturbating. To me this whole thread isn't about whether or not Paul Markham is a superior photographer...it's pretty obvious from his credentials that he definitely is. And I would say that if magazines & the DVD industry were still big...that very few guys (including the ones Brazzers have) would currently be up to the level to shoot for them. To me...the whole thread is about Fabian and his complete power trip and ego run amock. He's like the Barney Fife of porn. He had nothing to do with Mansef becoming so big. He had nothing to do with the making of the money that was used to purchase the company. And yet, he is completely wrapped in himself thinking he is now a master of porn. That is what is driving this thread. And you can watch all the people attacking Markham and babbling on and on about whether or not this "challenge" can be met...and it's like watching a Pro wrestling match. But instead of two guys pretending to be fighters and one guy is the good guy and one guy is the bad guy...we have one guy pretending to have any knowledge of porn at all (Fabian), and one guy pretending that he gives a shit (Paul) That's what is really happening here. And I love watching it. :1orglaugh In the end, I'll still respect Paul for his work over the years. That is real. Fabian? Uh...I respect him for programming the first version of NATS. He was a good employee at TMM. Then he opened a small paysite and affiliate program and it failed big time. Then he talked his way into his current job working for the real owners of Manwin. And that really is kinda impressive. Had to be some MASSIVE bullshit con job to be able to convince them to let a guy who had never ran a successful porn company or even been on set at a porn shoot....run this for them. :1orglaugh |
Funny shit Robbie. I really would like to see Paul shoot this tho. I guess I am one of the few that respect his skills and actually try to learn something from him.
As far as Fabien/nathan goes, he is a fucking joke. I would venture to say he owns 0% of manwin and is a paid employee. I am guessing he pulls down about 150k-175k per year. Not bad for just trolling GFY....until the shit hits the fan anyway. Figureheads are just one fuckup away from being fall-guys. |
this thread is Paul's legacy..
we don't have retirement parties and Paul's never won an AVN or XBIX award, so how will he be recognized for his lifetime achievements?? Paul has been going on and on for hundreds of posts about what he's accomplished in his life. no one here cares - cuz we are all assholes - but maybe some future visitor 50 years from now will find this thread and build a memorial to Markham. Long Live Paul Markham. (who?) :1orglaugh |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4532617.stm
"For the vast majority of the adult industry there is no need to enslave the girls." Paul Markham, Brno, Czech Republic |
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From a porn perspective his sites are lousy for the money he says they spend. As for the trolls who go on about my outrageous demands. They must be drinking, drugged or demented. I asked for $3,000 for a set. Which I assumed would be like I used to shoot. Fabian said 3 sets and videos for $3,000 Which did not agree to. Fabian then said a set and video for $3,000 Which I agreed to. And agreed to sign his contract which is something I had never done before. Fabian said he would make it an easy scene I could pick.When I did he changed it to one he picked, harder to shoot and limiting the girls I can use. I agreed to it. I said $3,000 up front. Because I don't trust him. Trust is again earned. He changed the contract. Fabian then demands a clause in the contract that is open to any interpretation. Not in court, but if I agree to something it doesn't need a court to settle it. I won't agree to HIS demand. I don't care what others say they have to sign, shoot for or what ever. This started out as what it would take to get me back shooting. And shooting for a guy like Fabian and his measly money isn't it. |
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As you are another troll without a sig I looked at your profile. It lists this site. http://www.julie-clarke.com/ Amateur work, I hope it's not yours. Can't be the way you talk. Look at the webmaster link. |
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Paul, my site copy please... (although i think i am on ignore lol) . |
This thread has inspired a ton of bullshit. And a lot of mindless flaming from trolls. And then an idea hit my tiny mind, well it's been mentioned here already, so it's not really my idea. :1orglaugh
How about some of the trolls put their money and/or skills where their mouth is? I propose a shooters contest, including Fabian's, on our skills to shoot decent porn. We all shoot a solo girl scene, the easiest and cheapest so there's no excuses, of a set and a video. 120 frames and 15-25 minutes video. We find someone anonymous or impartial to host the content. It will all be watermarked the same. Then people can vote on who is the best. If they spot the Czech girl I expect to lose. :1orglaugh So who's up for it? INever, Robbie, Agent 488, plsureking, BVF,justinsain, ReggieDurango, Anthony, JustDaveXxx, Jim_Gunn, bjlover, Cherry7, theking, DamianJ? I expect most of the trolls telling everyone what a shit shooter I am know what they're talking about and know how to shoot. They couldn't just be trolls shitting out on a challenge. We know they all posses cameras. So no judging on whether it's in HD or SD. Surfers love porn shot on mobile phones so the quality of the image isn't important. |
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Mind you the farmer at the end of the road grows a crop of potatoes, excellent ones. :thumbsup Also corn, cabbage, broccoli and other veg. Good for fresh cheap veg. :thumbsup |
Seeing as you keep saying you aren't hurting for cash why don't you just shoot it for fun anyway?
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Fabian is clueless about porn, his sites are full of crap to medium quality content. I will post a review later of one of the scenes on Brazzers, it's the worse porn scene I've ever seen. The guy who thought up the idea and gave the script to the shooter should be fired. If that's the quality of the staff running the content side you just have to wonder what the fuck are they doing. As for Fabian. Like you I think he's a puppet. He's obviously clueless about porn and even though I'm sure NATS is a good system it's probably nothing a good programmer couldn't do. I doubt very much that he had the money to buy Mansef. And some of those proposing he went to the bank or found backers are showing their knowledge of real business. They might be able to do that with Playboy, Penthouse or Hustler. But not Mansef with a money laundering charge hanging over it. In all honesty I hoped this would happen. I hope now a few sponsors or custom shooters take this challenge up so they can show their skills. But will they? All should love the opportunity to show what their sites are full of or skills are. In reality they won't. |
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the reason porn is failing is that paysites fail to match the right fantasy to the surfer. each paysite is limited in scope and usually poor in marketing. rather than wade thru hundreds of paysites, a surfer can just go to a big tube and find the right fantasy in their head, then get satisfaction. whether its free or not is irrelevant. people pay for what they want - even guys 18-30. how much are video games? $50? these kids are conditioned to pay for software at an early age and they also pay for a lot of music. Britney Spears new album hit a sales record. i know there aren't a bunch of 40-60 years old bopping to her shit.. Quote:
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So here's a review of the worse scene I've seen in a very very long time.
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The shooter didn't know enough to get it right, doesn't care enough to get it right and no one seems to care, just throw it up and fill the site. The actors clearly weren't bothered either. Brazzers site is full of this kind of porn. And that's sad because they should be setting new standards of excellence. |
God damn this thread is strong. Still going!
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on you. One of the reasons sales are falling is as you point out Tubes are far better than most membership sites. They're full of low quality porn and the major money is spent on marketing to get new customers to replace old customers. So customers start to see that paid porn isn't delivering what they want. The next time they see a site that might interest them they remember the bad experiences and are more wary. As this repeats itself they become more and more wary. In the end Tubes are the better choice. Of course if you believe what a marketing man tells you over your own experiences you're one of the few. This is the problem, we have all built up suspicions after being sold something by fast talking salesmen or glossy ads. We learn. Yet we think the surfer doesn't he will keep giving us his money, so long as we do the marketing right. Illogical. And what ever we do manage to sell him, once he gets into the site the retention relies 100% on the content. Too many scenes like the ones on Brazzers and he's off, never to return. |
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What's your excuse for not being really interested? As for bullshit and hype. Never got that from magazine editors. They were always dead straight, told you right away what they thought and if they would buy. |
Holy shit...that IS a terrible scene of theirs you posted Paul. Sounds like they are using a program to grab screencaps instead of doing it by hand as well.
And that set? I could use it. But I'd concoct a cheesy insane storyline where CM takes a hit of acid and is tripping (about 2, maybe 3 minutes of comedy dialogue), then have a ripped up stud fuck the hell out of her in the ass (about 15 minutes of action) on that set (which she is hallucinating), and then have her "wake up" from the acid trip covered in cum lying on the ground outside with the guy now dressed like a nasty old bum with a big grin on his face. But that shit you just showed us? Paul I think you may have indeed found their very worst scene. lol I'm sure they have tons of good scenes...but hopefully that one was a shooter auditioning and they shitcanned him afterwards and stuck the scene in the paysite so as not to "waste" it. |
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Get the fuck outta here...You don't have the respect to pull anything like a big contest together.......I have CUSTOMERS that I need to satisfy.... |
Nice to be invited to shoot... but as we disagree on so many levels with people shooting here we would see no point. We gladly admit we make bad porn.
Unlike Paul we believe in reading books, even in education...we believe a "hot scene" is better if it is shot in high quality. We also believe that there is no reason why the erotic could not be an art form in the same way normal culture makes crime into art. When you talk about well shot do you compare what you do to a professional program like "The Wire" or professional photography in say Vogue ? So we take the most beautiful girls and film them nicely and this is what we get... http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/bar...;s-Washday.jpg And here is the porn movies we make Barbie' sWashday Somehow we hav'nt got the hang of making proper porn yet.... |
And for the record, I don't give a flying FUCK about Nathan or Manwin.....But once you open your fucking trap, BACK IT UP!!
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proof or be banned mother fucker :thumbsup you slam all these guys for knowing nothing about marketing (Damian/Robby/Fabian) but you are just a has-been photographer and a fucking idiot to think you know anything beyond photography. . |
Shooters contest? That goes on in buy and sell everyday. Either it sells or it doesnt
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Worse than that is the guy that dreamed up the scene. WTF was he smoking? Loads of their scenes are the same. Dreamed up with no real idea of what porn is, maybe I found Fabian's real job at Manwin. The idea of starting off a fuck scene with 11 minutes of the girl doing little but wiggling her ass at the camera while some Irish Jig music is edited in over the top shows stupidity. Then allowing two plastic models fuck like these two shows bad shooting, but who booked them? The whole thing is crap and a waste of time, disc space and members time. The "Good" scenes on their site are just average scenes. They do have one shooter who clearly knows what he's doing. but it's shot in a way that's been done to death and on so many sites it's now boring. Bangbus came out 10-12 years ago and showed the way. They took an idea that had been done sporadically on video and made it into a whole theme for a site. They innovated and surfers responded. Perfect Gonzo took a great shooter and made some great porn, sadly when he went to the DVD industry, Evil Angel I was told, they never replaced him. And that's just 2 examples of how it should be done. Give surfers bloody good reasons to spend money. And those reasons can't be "marketing" because once bitten twice shy. Surfers don't believe all the hype, they know bullshit when they see it by now. They look at the content and the content only before making a decision to spend. Still problems with piracy and free, but still a few willing to pay and that's how to make them. Throwing more free content at them clearly no longer works. plsureking this kind of content can't be overcome with marketing. Porn is a repeat buy product by repeat buy customers. This pisses them off and makes Tubes a better deal for them. That's my proof. If you think words and design fool anyone after 15 years of online porn you're kidding yourself. Now if marketing porn is something different please inform us. Show us you have a clue what marketing is about. Or show I'm right. If you show me something that proves your right. From your site I don't see anything great. Those tricks worked 10 years ago. Today they don't the buyers are wiser. Shouting out the same message over and over just herds traffic. That's not real marketing. It's as if marketing is giving out fliers on the high street. The lowest form. As for only knowing how to shoot. How silly. Guys that only know how to shoot are working for Fabian or for a shooter who can market. They don't know how to market or sell their product to the best markets. I've been in business for nearly 4 decades, even before I came to porn I was in business. Without the ability to market and sell my content I would of been gone 30 years ago. Without the ability to manage a business I would of been gone long ago, without the ability to manage staff I would of been gone long ago. I employed 3 shooters in a 3500 SQ ft studio and an office of 5 people at our height in 2005. To say I only know how to shoot is stupid. Truth is I know very little about photography. I'm a pornographer who can market himself, sell his and his staff's content in the highest paying markets, run a business and manage staff. You think throwing mud at a wall is marketing. :1orglaugh Maybe to newbies, but not guys who have a clue. Here's one of the first things I learned when being taught about real marketing. In WW2, the best ground to air defense against planes was the Anti Aircraft gun. It sprayed the sky with exploding shells in the hope of hitting something. 500 shells to get one hit. Today they use a ground to air guided missiles. 1 missile 1 hit. Real marketing is identifying the 1 missile that will make your prospective client buy. Not spraying out garbage that everyone else sprays out. :thumbsup |
blah blah no one cares ................. you had your shot you got scared now back to puzzles and ironing.
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Don't expect anyone to take it up especially loud mouth clowns. That's why I threw it up. To see who has balls instead of big mouths. Your content would be easy to spot. Spot the ghetto whore. :1orglaugh Once I get the money from Fabian I will shoot. I never said anything about a contract. I agreed to his terms of signing a contract, just want one part crystal clear. If I can shoot a scene as horny as the Irish Jig one, it's a done deal. He can put that in the contract, that's clearly acceptable. :1orglaugh Good night trolls. |
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You've dug so much, you should be in China by now. Geez... learn how to bow out graciously.
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