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  • MediaGuy
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    • Sep 2004
    • 5500
    #51
    It just seems to me that the country that has been a bastion for freedom, intelligent culture and political advancement & potential has been backsliding to a dumber, darker version of itself...

    Ever seen the movie Charly or read the booke Flowers For Algernon?

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      • Bill8
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2001
        • 1901
        #52
        this article from madison says the republicans just tried to sneak in early and pass the bill before the session was to have officially started.

        but, they got caught, and had to admit what they did was illegal, and their trickery has ended up benefiting the dems.

        so. political trickery all around.

        way more like this is coming. we all deferred taxes, we all let the infrastructure rot, we all will pay.

        http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...cc4c002e0.html

        Assembly Republicans convened their floor session a few minutes before its scheduled start Friday evening and moved Gov. Scott Walker's controversial budget repair bill toward final passage before Democrats could enter the chamber, prompting howls of outrage from Assembly Democrats.

        The action, taken on a voice vote, prevented the Democrats from introducing any amendments to the bill, which severely curtails public employees' collective bargaining powers.

        Democrats began yelling as they entered the chamber to find the majority Republicans were voting on the bill.

        "This is unbelieveable. Unprecedented. Un-American," yelled Minority Leader Peter Barca, D-Kenosha. "This is just the most outrageous thing I have ever seen."

        Barca called the actions "illegal" and a violation of Assembly rules.

        "There is a stink in this body. There's a stain on the history of this state with what you've done."

        Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald, R-Horicon, responded by saying that he started early because "Honestly, I thought you guys weren't showing up."

        Fitzgerald acknowledged that Barca was correct in his reading of the rules, and members allowed the bill to return to its amendable stage. Fitzgerald then moved to adjourn the Assembly until 10 a.m. Tuesday, prompting a standing ovation from Democrats, who promised to continue working on amendments to the bill.
        Last edited by Bill8; 02-19-2011, 05:05 PM.

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          • Agent 488
            Registered User
            • Feb 2006
            • 22511
            #53
            Originally posted by Vendzilla
            I have two union cards, one being teamster. I believe in a lot of what the union does, but they are getting too much for state workers, it's unrealistic in this economy!
            it is idiots like you that are rushing the US into a corporate feudal system. congrats.

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              • tony286
                lurker
                • Aug 2002
                • 57021
                #54
                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                I got a VA loan for my house, how much to you think that cost the country?
                Or are you against Vets having benefits?
                nope , I don't understand this I receive from the government that's ok but those other people that receive from the government that's wrong. Like the people that make their living on the internet and then say government does nothing for me. If it wasnt for gov funding for the creation of the net they would be working at radio shack.
                I wish Barry would say you know the republicans are right we are cutting the budget by 50 percent. When middle class people would see how it directly effects them they would stop listening to millionaire pundits and stop voting against their own interests. People that bitch those government workers have benefits I don't have. They dont stop and fucking think. What do they have that I dont have anymore a union. Hmm maybe there was something to them. No more unions, workers are making shit and the ceo's now pay themselves 500x the avg worker and that's not when the job is shipped off to china.
                Unions were killing employment, that was the line. Well there are very few unions left and I dont see the jobs coming back in boatloads. The middle class are played against each other and it sucks.

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                  • Vendzilla
                    Biker Gnome
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 23200
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Agent 488
                    it is idiots like you that are rushing the US into a corporate feudal system. congrats.
                    What are you a moron? do you think that the unions should use the money they collect in massive donations to democrat agenda, thats what they do, weather the union members are democrat or republican, my biggest complaint while being a union member, have you ever had a union card, if not, you are talking out your ass!

                    Originally posted by tony286
                    nope , I don't understand this I receive from the government that's ok but those other people that receive from the government that's wrong. Like the people that make their living on the internet and then say government does nothing for me. If it wasnt for gov funding for the creation of the net they would be working at radio shack.
                    I wish Barry would say you know the republicans are right we are cutting the budget by 50 percent. When middle class people would see how it directly effects them they would stop listening to millionaire pundits and stop voting against their own interests. People that bitch those government workers have benefits I don't have. They dont stop and fucking think. What do they have that I dont have anymore a union. Hmm maybe there was something to them. No more unions, workers are making shit and the ceo's now pay themselves 500x the avg worker and that's not when the job is shipped off to china.
                    Unions were killing employment, that was the line. Well there are very few unions left and I dont see the jobs coming back in boatloads. The middle class are played against each other and it sucks.
                    Unions got great pay and benefits for the autoworkers, then opened the doors for free trade with NAFTA, where did the new cars start being made? The government had to bail out the automakers. It's a bad deal all around.

                    No one it taking away from the unions other than a budget cut to them, they shouldn't be exempt from the bad economy. Here in Northern California, they have already done some of these cuts, http://www.redding.com/news/2011/feb...o-pay-pension/

                    I ask you this

                    You are for big business and the rich to pay more taxes, you know that states that have a high tax rate , the business moves away, it's basic economics, California has been losing business for years because of it's high taxes and regulations. No Business, NO work, NO JOBS, less taxes from that employment, less money in the budget for those state employee's.

                    So how would you fix the budget?
                    Raise taxes in that state, driving out business that can do the same work for less in taxes in Nevada?
                    Or cut the budget, living within the means of the state?

                    I don't mind paying more taxes, "IF" the government is not wasting the money, and living beyond it's means is wasting it.

                    We had a balanced budget 10 years ago, Bush blew that up with the war and the homeland security and all that bullshit, so instead of whining about what Bush did, don't you think it's time to do something about it?
                    Barry had full control of the house and senate and during that time the unemployment rate stayed at above 9%, but spent his big fights on new entitlements, more spending, money we don't have and doing nothing about the trade problems.
                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                    think about that

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                      • Agent 488
                        Registered User
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 22511
                        #56
                        Originally posted by tony286
                        nope , I don't understand this I receive from the government that's ok but those other people that receive from the government that's wrong. Like the people that make their living on the internet and then say government does nothing for me. If it wasnt for gov funding for the creation of the net they would be working at radio shack.
                        I wish Barry would say you know the republicans are right we are cutting the budget by 50 percent. When middle class people would see how it directly effects them they would stop listening to millionaire pundits and stop voting against their own interests. People that bitch those government workers have benefits I don't have. They dont stop and fucking think. What do they have that I dont have anymore a union. Hmm maybe there was something to them. No more unions, workers are making shit and the ceo's now pay themselves 500x the avg worker and that's not when the job is shipped off to china.
                        Unions were killing employment, that was the line. Well there are very few unions left and I dont see the jobs coming back in boatloads. The middle class are played against each other and it sucks.


                        yup. unionization levels are the lowest in the US of all first world countries and yet all the productive jobs are still overseas. funny that.

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                          • Sunny Day
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 1406
                            #57
                            Only Democrats Run Away????????

                            Abe Lincoln - remember him?? Once jumped out a statehouse window to prevent a quorum.
                            Maybe if you read a little history, you'd quit being a dittohead.
                            As for unions, read about the autoworkers of the 30's. You lined up everyday, the supervisors picked and chose who to let work that day. Families were so desperate to eat, the wife would let the supervisor fuck her.
                            Unions saved this country from becoming communist in the 30's.
                            Henry Fucking Ford & 2 others tried a coup to throw out Roosevelt. But they asked Marine General Smedley Butler to do the military. He knew evil when he saw it. Only reason Ford avoiding prison was how rich & powerful he was. The movie Meet John Doe was based on that.

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                              • Sunny Day
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 1406
                                #58
                                Public Workers make less

                                From the Wisc State Journal
                                http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...cc4c03286.html
                                Report: Public employees make less, including benefits, than private workers

                                I used to eat with a group of guys. One bitched daily about people on welfare. He had a farm on the govt. paid him to raise angora goats. Seems we needed angora for military winter gear 50 years ago.

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                                  • Vendzilla
                                    Biker Gnome
                                    • Mar 2004
                                    • 23200
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                    Abe Lincoln - remember him?? Once jumped out a statehouse window to prevent a quorum.
                                    Maybe if you read a little history, you'd quit being a dittohead.
                                    As for unions, read about the autoworkers of the 30's. You lined up everyday, the supervisors picked and chose who to let work that day. Families were so desperate to eat, the wife would let the supervisor fuck her.
                                    Unions saved this country from becoming communist in the 30's.
                                    Henry Fucking Ford & 2 others tried a coup to throw out Roosevelt. But they asked Marine General Smedley Butler to do the military. He knew evil when he saw it. Only reason Ford avoiding prison was how rich & powerful he was. The movie Meet John Doe was based on that.
                                    Hey shit for brains, he was known for it, it was before they had FILIBUSTERS, you know, the way they do NOW?
                                    And don't tell me about union history, I have been in two different unions.
                                    This isn't a history lesson, this is about a state government changing the negotiation

                                    When unions started, they negotiated with company bosses, thats a good thing, but state unions negotiate with elected officials that have nothing to lose but votes.

                                    And as for your article about union workers making less, I guess you can't read

                                    Walker is correct about the disparity, but a new report by the liberal Economic Policy Institute suggests that looking at benefits alone is misleading.
                                    That's all they are going after is the benefits, not the pay.
                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                    think about that

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                                      • Vendzilla
                                        Biker Gnome
                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 23200
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by tony286
                                        Unions were killing employment, that was the line. Well there are very few unions left and I dont see the jobs coming back in boatloads. The middle class are played against each other and it sucks.
                                        Unions and NAFTA can't exsist in the same country making things that can be made in China, business will always go where it is cheaper, they are in it for the money.
                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                        think about that

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                                          • GregE
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jul 2004
                                            • 2704
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                            As for unions, read about the autoworkers of the 30's. You lined up everyday, the supervisors picked and chose who to let work that day. Families were so desperate to eat, the wife would let the supervisor fuck her.
                                            An old girlfriend of mine told me how her grandfather (a steelworker in Pittsburgh) spent six years in prison for putting a supervisor like that in a wheelchair.

                                            Things are looking to to get pretty damn ugly in this country, and sooner rather than later, unless some real leadership materializes from somewhere.

                                            Too bad we ran out of Abe Lincolns long, long ago

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                                              • PornMD
                                                Mainstream Businessman
                                                • Jan 2007
                                                • 9291
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Far-L
                                                Not the case. I suggest you get more details. The dems fled to create a philibuster style tactic to prevent the republicans from rescinding major worker rights legislation.
                                                Phil? Phil Ibuster? I thought that was you! Ned! Rierson!

                                                Filibuster.
                                                Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.

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                                                  • theking
                                                    Nice Kitty
                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                    • 21053
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                    Hey shit for brains, he was known for it, it was before they had FILIBUSTERS, you know, the way they do NOW?
                                                    And don't tell me about union history, I have been in two different unions.
                                                    This isn't a history lesson, this is about a state government changing the negotiation

                                                    When unions started, they negotiated with company bosses, thats a good thing, but state unions negotiate with elected officials that have nothing to lose but votes.

                                                    And as for your article about union workers making less, I guess you can't read



                                                    That's all they are going after is the benefits, not the pay.
                                                    The Governor wants to end collective bargining power (break the unions) of some employees...teachers union is one...and allow unions for others...so it involves more than just benefits. The unions are willing to negotiate but the republicans will not allow this and will not allow the Democrats to present amendments on the floor for discussion...thus the protests and the walk out of the assembly by the Dems.
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                                                      • GregE
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2004
                                                        • 2704
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                        Unions and NAFTA can't exsist in the same country making things that can be made in China, business will always go where it is cheaper, they are in it for the money.
                                                        Forget about unions.

                                                        NAFTA can't exist in any first world country that wants to maintain a prosperous middle class.

                                                        Period.

                                                        This country and it's future was sold down the river by Bush senior and Clinton both.

                                                        And now we're fucked

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                                                          • theking
                                                            Nice Kitty
                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                            • 21053
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by GregE
                                                            Forget about unions.

                                                            NAFTA can't exist in any first world country that wants to maintain a prosperous middle class.

                                                            Period.

                                                            This country and it's future was sold down the river by Bush senior and Clinton both.

                                                            And now we're fucked
                                                            I remember that President Clinton said that NAFTA...in the short term...would have negative effects...but would have positive effects in the long term. I never heard him specify what time frame he considered to be short term. It has been over 10 years and it has definitely had negative effects. I was opposed to it at the time as I could not understand how it could possibly ever have positive effects and I still do not understand how it could.
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                                                              • Minte
                                                                Babemeister
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 7081
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by theking
                                                                I remember that President Clinton said that NAFTA...in the short term...would have negative effects...but would have positive effects in the long term. I never heard him specify what time frame he considered to be short term. It has been over 10 years and it has definitely had negative effects. I was opposed to it at the time as I could not understand how it could possibly ever have positive effects and I still do not understand how it could.
                                                                By moving all the jobs to Mexico it was to keep the country from being overrun with illegal aliens.
                                                                You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                                                                  • Vendzilla
                                                                    Biker Gnome
                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                    • 23200
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by theking
                                                                    The Governor wants to end collective bargining power (break the unions) of some employees...teachers union is one...and allow unions for others...so it involves more than just benefits. The unions are willing to negotiate but the republicans will not allow this and will not allow the Democrats to present amendments on the floor for discussion...thus the protests and the walk out of the assembly by the Dems.
                                                                    I think government union jobs are the only place that collective bargaining like this even exists.

                                                                    I know that's what the unions and the democrats are saying about ending it, but I heard the GOP saying it will end the union getting direct deposit of the dues the members pay and give the union members more rights when voting about money spent by the unions.

                                                                    I also heard about teachers are not allowed to get time off for events like this, so there are doctors giving sick notes in the crowds. I've been thru a strike before, it's going to get nasty, but if the majority holds, then they are doing it for nothing, we'll see.
                                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                    think about that

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                                                                      • Agent 488
                                                                        Registered User
                                                                        • Feb 2006
                                                                        • 22511
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                        I think government union jobs are the only place that collective bargaining like this even exists.
                                                                        http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/cba/index.htm

                                                                        you are one stupid mutha. your daughter must be proud.

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                                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                            • 23200
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Minte
                                                                            By moving all the jobs to Mexico it was to keep the country from being overrun with illegal aliens.
                                                                            Because of NAFTA, Dodge trucks are assembled in Saltillo, Coahaila, Mexico. We ship them the jobs, they ship us the workers, great system!!!! LMAO
                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                            think about that

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                                                                              • theking
                                                                                Nice Kitty
                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                • 21053
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                I think government union jobs are the only place that collective bargaining like this even exists.

                                                                                I know that's what the unions and the democrats are saying about ending it, but I heard the GOP saying it will end the union getting direct deposit of the dues the members pay and give the union members more rights when voting about money spent by the unions.

                                                                                I also heard about teachers are not allowed to get time off for events like this, so there are doctors giving sick notes in the crowds. I've been thru a strike before, it's going to get nasty, but if the majority holds, then they are doing it for nothing, we'll see.
                                                                                It is primarily about breaking some of the unions...the way that I am understanding it some unions will still be allowed to have bargaining power. The Repubs will not allow any further discussion about the matter and are demanding a vote...which they will win...that is why the Dems walked out in hopes that the protests will...at the least...allow further discussions/amendments to be presented by the Dems.

                                                                                The Governor said this morning that he is not going to bend and the Repubs in the assembly say they are not going to bend...if they toe that line...the Dems will have no other choice than to return and allow a vote...which the Repubs will win.

                                                                                If you recall...since President Reagan broke the Air Controllers union...many unions have been broken. Few jobs are union any more...and many of those that are union are extremely weak and keep giving concession after concession because they are weak unions. There are only a handful of unions that are still strong...the Teamsters being one of them.

                                                                                When I was young I belonged to the Laborers union and it was strong at the time but I do not know how strong it is now.
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                                                                                  • Vendzilla
                                                                                    Biker Gnome
                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                    • 23200
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                                    http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/cba/index.htm

                                                                                    you are one stupid mutha. your daughter must be proud.
                                                                                    Do you even know what collective bargaining is?

                                                                                    The difference is that in the private sector, they are negotiating with the company.
                                                                                    In the public sector they are negotiating with the government.
                                                                                    When a company is having problems, they can use that to get the unions to re-negotiate the contract to help keep their jobs

                                                                                    But according you your ignore shit for brains mind, the government is not allowed to?

                                                                                    Local Paper plant, they re-negotiated the contract and took a cut in pay that kept the plant open for a couple more years.

                                                                                    Should I send you a copy of hooked on phonics to help you with this?
                                                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                    think about that

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                                                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                        • 23200
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by theking
                                                                                        It is primarily about breaking some of the unions...the way that I am understanding it some unions will still be allowed to have bargaining power. The Repubs will not allow any further discussion about the matter and are demanding a vote...which they will win...that is why the Dems walked out in hopes that the protests will...at the least...allow further discussions/amendments to be presented by the Dems.

                                                                                        The Governor said this morning that he is not going to bend and the Repubs in the assembly say they are not going to bend...if they toe that line...the Dems will have no other choice than to return and allow a vote...which the Repubs will win.

                                                                                        If you recall...since President Reagan broke the Air Controllers union...many unions have been broken. Few jobs are union any more...and many of those that are union are extremely weak and keep giving concession after concession because they are weak unions. There are only a handful of unions that are still strong...the Teamsters being one of them.

                                                                                        When I was young I belonged to the Laborers union and it was strong at the time but I do not know how strong it is now.
                                                                                        Laborers union is ok on union job sites and highway projects, any federal jobs as well.
                                                                                        I've been in two unions, IUEC and Teamsters.
                                                                                        The unions are a great thing, but I don't agree with a lot of what they do. Like telling their members how to vote.
                                                                                        Air Controllers, I remember that, they didn't show up for work, they shouldn't be able to do that, when I worked under the IUEC, I couldn't even strike a job site, if we didn't show up for work, they found others to do it.
                                                                                        Collective bargaining is putting all the benefits and pay on the table at the same time, by eliminating most that, the unions will have to negotiate one item at a time, the unions prefer to do that all at once.
                                                                                        This does take away from the unions power, but the things they are talking about changing right now, the unions have already agreed to.
                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                          • theking
                                                                                            Nice Kitty
                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                            • 21053
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                            Laborers union is ok on union job sites and highway projects, any federal jobs as well.
                                                                                            I've been in two unions, IUEC and Teamsters.
                                                                                            The unions are a great thing, but I don't agree with a lot of what they do. Like telling their members how to vote.
                                                                                            Air Controllers, I remember that, they didn't show up for work, they shouldn't be able to do that, when I worked under the IUEC, I couldn't even strike a job site, if we didn't show up for work, they found others to do it.
                                                                                            Collective bargaining is putting all the benefits and pay on the table at the same time, by eliminating most that, the unions will have to negotiate one item at a time, the unions prefer to do that all at once.
                                                                                            This does take away from the unions power, but the things they are talking about changing right now, the unions have already agreed to.
                                                                                            That is not what collective bargaining means...the collective are the members of the union...and each aspect of the union's demands upon the employer...is then bargained/negotiated. It is not presenting every demand as a package...with a take it or else...every aspect of the demands are negotiated individually.

                                                                                            The Governor and the Repubs want to end bargaining period. The state will dictate what workers make and what benefits they will be allowed...take it or leave it...the same as the majority of employers do.
                                                                                            Last edited by theking; 02-20-2011, 01:30 PM.
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                                                                                              • Sunny Day
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Dec 2010
                                                                                                • 1406
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Hey Ambergris for brains

                                                                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                Hey shit for brains, he was known for it, it was before they had FILIBUSTERS, you know, the way they do NOW?
                                                                                                And don't tell me about union history, I have been in two different unions.
                                                                                                This isn't a history lesson, this is about a state government changing the negotiation

                                                                                                When unions started, they negotiated with company bosses, thats a good thing, but state unions negotiate with elected officials that have nothing to lose but votes.

                                                                                                And as for your article about union workers making less, I guess you can't read
                                                                                                That's all they are going after is the benefits, not the pay.
                                                                                                They had filibusters as long as there have been legislatures.
                                                                                                Yeah, Reagan busted PATCO and we still have the same mess, air traffic controllers working too long hours and too few workers. Damn lucky we haven't had more crashes.
                                                                                                I was in a govt union. Only thing that saved us for being totally screwed.

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                                                                                                  • Vendzilla
                                                                                                    Biker Gnome
                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                                    • 23200
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                                                                                    They had filibusters as long as there have been legislatures.
                                                                                                    Yeah, Reagan busted PATCO and we still have the same mess, air traffic controllers working too long hours and too few workers. Damn lucky we haven't had more crashes.
                                                                                                    I was in a govt union. Only thing that saved us for being totally screwed.
                                                                                                    First filibuster was in 1851
                                                                                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster

                                                                                                    Lincoln made the jump while a member of the wig party in 1840

                                                                                                    Funny thing was, he delayed the vote with 2 other wig party members by hiding in the back of the room to they could watch to make sure it worked, till they we're noticed and he jumped out the window

                                                                                                    So do your research asshole
                                                                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                    think about that

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                                                                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                        • 23200
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                        That is not what collective bargaining means...the collective are the members of the union...and each aspect of the union's demands upon the employer...is then bargained/negotiated. It is not presenting every demand as a package...with a take it or else...every aspect of the demands are negotiated individually.

                                                                                                        The Governor and the Repubs want to end bargaining period. The state will dictate what workers make and what benefits they will be allowed...take it or leave it...the same as the majority of employers do.
                                                                                                        I was told that a collective of the people and the things negociated.

                                                                                                        Here's what I found on what the state governor is asking

                                                                                                        The proposal would limit collective bargaining to the issue of wages and cap increases to the rate of inflation, with a voter referendum needed for bigger increases.

                                                                                                        It also would end government collection of union dues, allow workers to opt out of unions, and require unions to hold recertification votes every year. Walker said the alternative is to lay off more than 10,000 public employees.

                                                                                                        Public sector workers are the backbone of the union movement in the United States.

                                                                                                        Only 12 percent of U.S. workers were represented by unions in 2010, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics says. While just 7 percent of private sector workers belonged to unions last year, 36 percent of public workers were organized, the bureau said.
                                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                                          • wig
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                            • 708
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            I would never have predicted a thread like this. Hilarious.
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                                                                                                              • tony286
                                                                                                                lurker
                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                • 57021
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                talking about unions
                                                                                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangl...t_Factory_fire
                                                                                                                Next month will be the 100 yr anniversary, this was before they had those money hungry unions.

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                                                                                                                  • theking
                                                                                                                    Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                    • 21053
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                    I was told that a collective of the people and the things negociated.

                                                                                                                    Here's what I found on what the state governor is asking

                                                                                                                    The proposal would limit collective bargaining to the issue of wages and cap increases to the rate of inflation, with a voter referendum needed for bigger increases.

                                                                                                                    It also would end government collection of union dues, allow workers to opt out of unions, and require unions to hold recertification votes every year. Walker said the alternative is to lay off more than 10,000 public employees.

                                                                                                                    Public sector workers are the backbone of the union movement in the United States.

                                                                                                                    Only 12 percent of U.S. workers were represented by unions in 2010, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics says. While just 7 percent of private sector workers belonged to unions last year, 36 percent of public workers were organized, the bureau said.
                                                                                                                    That is pretty much is it...which is all designed to break the union's power to bargain...and at best make it a very weak union...or break it entirely.
                                                                                                                    When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                                                      • Minte
                                                                                                                        Babemeister
                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                        • 7081
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                                                        talking about unions
                                                                                                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangl...t_Factory_fire
                                                                                                                        Next month will be the 100 yr anniversary, this was before they had those money hungry unions.
                                                                                                                        It was also before strictly enforced building codes,OSHA and the NLRB.
                                                                                                                        You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                                                                                                                          • potter
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                            • 6559
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by sicone
                                                                                                                            When did 1 become 'they'?
                                                                                                                            When you're a thick headed partisan like Vendzilla. He is the epitome of everything that is wrong with the country and everything that has gotten us where we are and of course everything that will keep us where we are.

                                                                                                                            Keep up your blind partisan bullshit Vendzilla! You're a hero to the politicians that are bringing this country down! Never stop watching FOX and spouting your hate!

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                                                                                                                              • Bill8
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                • 1901
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by GregE
                                                                                                                                Forget about unions.

                                                                                                                                NAFTA can't exist in any first world country that wants to maintain a prosperous middle class.

                                                                                                                                Period.

                                                                                                                                This country and it's future was sold down the river by Bush senior and Clinton both.

                                                                                                                                And now we're fucked
                                                                                                                                quoted for truth. now we are fucked. this is just the beginning. prepare for civil war.

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                                                                                                                                  • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                    Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                    • 23200
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by potter
                                                                                                                                    When you're a thick headed partisan like Vendzilla. He is the epitome of everything that is wrong with the country and everything that has gotten us where we are and of course everything that will keep us where we are.

                                                                                                                                    Keep up your blind partisan bullshit Vendzilla! You're a hero to the politicians that are bringing this country down! Never stop watching FOX and spouting your hate!
                                                                                                                                    Funny, I've said that I think they are getting too much in benefits and their own Unions have said they will give in on those concessions, I never said I was against the collective bargaining.

                                                                                                                                    So where are my opinions different from yours?

                                                                                                                                    A major problem with this country is that SHIT STAINS like you think they have the only answer and when a real debate comes up, you jump out the window so you don't have to debate.
                                                                                                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                    think about that

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                                                                                                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                        • 23200
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                                                                        It was also before strictly enforced building codes,OSHA and the NLRB.
                                                                                                                                        Working in construction in LA, Cal Osha was always checking our job sites, we were inspected by city and state inspectors on welds, safety, wiring. When the job was complete, they checked everything again to make sure it was all to code, it got even tougher if it was a hospital or a government building

                                                                                                                                        Once I was in a man lift when the crane came around and hit the car, about the 25 floor, that will get your heart pumping.
                                                                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                            • 23200
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                            That is pretty much is it...which is all designed to break the union's power to bargain...and at best make it a very weak union...or break it entirely.
                                                                                                                                            By giving the power to opt out of the union, I agree
                                                                                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                            think about that

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                                                                                                                                              • directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 30135
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by wig
                                                                                                                                                I would never have predicted a thread like this. Hilarious.
                                                                                                                                                I enjoy the name calling from Vendzilla .... mainly that he complained about being called names no later then last week .

                                                                                                                                                Just plain funny ....
                                                                                                                                                I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                  • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                    Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                    • 23200
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    I'm not the one that starts calling names. Its weak minded poeple that have nothing else. So I give it back because that's all they deserve!
                                                                                                                                                    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                    think about that

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                                                                                                                                                      • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                        Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 75733
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Minte
                                                                                                                                                        By moving all the jobs to Mexico it was to keep the country from being overrun with illegal aliens.
                                                                                                                                                        That seems to have worked well for us here in California, where you need to speak Spanish to order dinner.
                                                                                                                                                        Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                        Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                          • Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2010
                                                                                                                                                            • 1406
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            started name calling

                                                                                                                                                            you said you didn't started name calling??
                                                                                                                                                            Calling me "Shit for Brains" I DID NOT CALL YOU A NAME UNTIL YOU STARTED.
                                                                                                                                                            You said the Dems started filibustering. Then backtracted and said 1851.
                                                                                                                                                            As for Lincoln, the Wigs became the Republican party.
                                                                                                                                                            You change your tune when you get called out.
                                                                                                                                                            So how much do the Koch brothers pay you?

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                                                                                                                                                              • Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2010
                                                                                                                                                                • 1406
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                You just don't get it

                                                                                                                                                                You whine about building inspectors.
                                                                                                                                                                Why do we have building inspectors??
                                                                                                                                                                Because builders cheated and used bad materials. Did sloppy work. Buildings fall down. People get angry. Demand safe buildings. Therefore inspectors to make sure buildings built safe.
                                                                                                                                                                Hope you can understand these simple words from Shit For Brains

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Tom_PM
                                                                                                                                                                    Porn Meister
                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                    • 16443
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    No unions, no abortions, no gays, no single moms, no social security, no regulations on business and assault weapons for all. Yee haw.

                                                                                                                                                                    Hell of an agenda for 2011, but there you go.
                                                                                                                                                                    43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2010
                                                                                                                                                                        • 1406
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                                                                                                        No unions, no abortions, no gays, no single moms, no social security, no regulations on business and assault weapons for all. Yee haw.

                                                                                                                                                                        Hell of an agenda for 2011, but there you go.
                                                                                                                                                                        Left out half that DAMN liberal crap we need to get rid of, but you have it right. Tear up the Bill of Rights I say. Imprison every US Citizen until they can prove their loyalty. If you didn't donate at least $10,000 to Sarah Palin or Christine O'Donnell then you are against us.
                                                                                                                                                                        Fuck 90% of America, as long as I get mine.

                                                                                                                                                                        Sorry state of affairs as this is America today

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                            Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                            • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                                            you'd quit being a dittohead.
                                                                                                                                                                            .
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                                            you said you didn't started name calling??
                                                                                                                                                                            Calling me "Shit for Brains" I DID NOT CALL YOU A NAME UNTIL YOU STARTED.
                                                                                                                                                                            Thanx for proving my point shit for brains
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                                            You whine about building inspectors.
                                                                                                                                                                            Why do we have building inspectors??
                                                                                                                                                                            Because builders cheated and used bad materials. Did sloppy work. Buildings fall down. People get angry. Demand safe buildings. Therefore inspectors to make sure buildings built safe.
                                                                                                                                                                            Hope you can understand these simple words from Shit For Brains
                                                                                                                                                                            Where was I whiny about inspectors?

                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                                                                                                            No unions, no abortions, no gays, no single moms, no social security, no regulations on business and assault weapons for all. Yee haw.

                                                                                                                                                                            Hell of an agenda for 2011, but there you go.
                                                                                                                                                                            The sky is not falling.
                                                                                                                                                                            They aren't getting rid of the unions, they are opening it up for people to vote them out.
                                                                                                                                                                            They aren't getting rid of abortions, just ending federal spending on it
                                                                                                                                                                            I don't know of anywhere they are getting rid of Gays or Single moms, Social security has been taped into my both parties, Reagan was the last guy that did anything positive with it by raising the tax for it
                                                                                                                                                                            Less regulations on business, even Obama in the SOTUA said he wanted to do away with a lot of them
                                                                                                                                                                            Is the government going to make you buy an assault weapon? I already have mine!
                                                                                                                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                            think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Tom_PM
                                                                                                                                                                                Porn Meister
                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                • 16443
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Ending federal spending on abortion? There is no federal spending on abortion.

                                                                                                                                                                                What you refer to as you may know is that federal money goes to Planned Parenthood, and as part of it's efforts to stem teen pregnancy, they speak about prevention (condoms and birth control) and adoption and the dreaded abortion word. Yes, they talk about all of those things, and that is intolerable to the right wing.

                                                                                                                                                                                But thats not federal funding of abortion, it's only fed to the dumb masses as such to keep them riled up. We both know it.. everyone here on gfy knows it. It's a card that's been played completely out. The right is risking it's majority with this shit, but it seems irresistable to them. Such a waste of time and thats the only thing it accomplishes. Democrats would be wise to leave that bait sitting there and not even talk about it. By debating it they lose.

                                                                                                                                                                                And the other things I listed.. all in good time. They may even throw in something about flag burning. Oh, and I forgot the "I" word.. (immigration). All on tap before the elections. Every old timey wedge issue they can dream up. We all know it's coming.
                                                                                                                                                                                43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • _Richard_
                                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 30991
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                                                    Unions saved this country from becoming communist in the 30's.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Henry Fucking Ford & 2 others tried a coup to throw out Roosevelt. But they asked Marine General Smedley Butler to do the military. He knew evil when he saw it. Only reason Ford avoiding prison was how rich & powerful he was. The movie Meet John Doe was based on that.
                                                                                                                                                                                    heard the bush family was involved in that

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                                                                                                                        Ending federal spending on abortion? There is no federal spending on abortion.

                                                                                                                                                                                        What you refer to as you may know is that federal money goes to Planned Parenthood, and as part of it's efforts to stem teen pregnancy, they speak about prevention (condoms and birth control) and adoption and the dreaded abortion word. Yes, they talk about all of those things, and that is intolerable to the right wing.

                                                                                                                                                                                        But thats not federal funding of abortion, it's only fed to the dumb masses as such to keep them riled up. We both know it.. everyone here on gfy knows it. It's a card that's been played completely out. The right is risking it's majority with this shit, but it seems irresistable to them. Such a waste of time and thats the only thing it accomplishes. Democrats would be wise to leave that bait sitting there and not even talk about it. By debating it they lose.

                                                                                                                                                                                        And the other things I listed.. all in good time. They may even throw in something about flag burning. Oh, and I forgot the "I" word.. (immigration). All on tap before the elections. Every old timey wedge issue they can dream up. We all know it's coming.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Planned Parenthood does do abortions, period and they get federal funding. I think they do a GREAT job. but a lot of people don't agree with abortion and it's both parties that are to fault for making it a big issue. They should do their abortions under a different name in a different building. What your saying is if a nursery for toddlers was selling crack in the back room it's ok, because of what they are doing in the front room. BTW, I'm pro-choice, although I wish they would use a condom.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Flag burning, cool, as long as they wrap themselves in the flag first, I mean if they are going to be passionate about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Immigration, there are gangs in several big cities that are comprised primarily of illegal aliens, it cost the US BILLIONS of dollars to pay for anchor babies, California, which is the biggest concentration of them is swimming in debt, we passed a law that took away their benefits for coming here, but one judge over turned it.
                                                                                                                                                                                        If they closed down the border, then the drug cartels would have their business shut down, end to all the violence in Mexico, or are you for the killings that are going on their?
                                                                                                                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Agent 488
                                                                                                                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 22511
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            save america. abort republicans.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                                                                                                                                                save america. abort republicans.
                                                                                                                                                                                                You think only people that think like you do should have a voice, what a fucking idiot!
                                                                                                                                                                                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                                think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Tom_PM
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Porn Meister
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 16443
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    On topic: the governor of wisconsin is doing this to bust a union and everyone knows it. End of thread for me, lol.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Agent 488
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 22511
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                        You think only people that think like you do should have a voice, what a fucking idiot!
                                                                                                                                                                                                        makes it easier to arrive at a consensus? no?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        don't hate the player, hate the game.

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