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  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
    • 23200
    #1

    Job got tough, Dems running away!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110218/..._budget_unions

    MADISON, Wis. ? The Wisconsin State Patrol was dispatched Friday to find a Democratic state senator who fled the Capitol to delay the near-certain passage of a bill to end a half-century of collective bargaining rights for public workers, a measure that's attracted thousands of protesters for four days.

    I guess when the going gets tough, the democrats hide?
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that
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    • tony286
      lurker
      • Aug 2002
      • 57021
      #2
      I was going to say something but there really is no point

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        • spazlabz
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2003
          • 6548
          #3
          Originally posted by tony286
          I was going to say something but there really is no point
          I will be bold and simply say +1

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            • Vendzilla
              Biker Gnome
              • Mar 2004
              • 23200
              #4
              Originally posted by tony286
              I was going to say something but there really is no point
              Go Ahead, but I find it funny they don't have the balls to do their job!

              "We left the state so we were out of the reach of the Wisconsin state patrol, which has the authority to round us up and bring us back to the legislature," state Sen. Mark Miller told ABC's "Good Morning America" from an undisclosed location Friday.

              Nothing says pussy more!
              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
              think about that

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                • baddog
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Apr 2001
                  • 107089
                  #5
                  Sometimes I think I should move to another country. It isn't like I have to live there more than 30 or 40 years.

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                    • sicone
                      Retired
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 18453
                      #6
                      When did 1 become 'they'?

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                        • beerptrol
                          Confirmed Asshole
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 12722
                          #7
                          they voted those assholes in, and now will have to deal with the cosequences. bye bye collective bargaining
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                            • spazlabz
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 6548
                              #8
                              Originally posted by sicone
                              When did 1 become 'they'?
                              I think there was like 14 that walked out and went to different locations as a protest to this proposed legislation

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                                • Brujah
                                  Beer Money Baron
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 22157
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by tony286
                                  I was going to say something but there really is no point
                                  +1 for finally coming to this important realization.

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                                    • Caligari
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                                      • Oct 2009
                                      • 5414
                                      #10
                                      the problem is when you get your news from yahoo;)

                                      Wisconsin Gov. Walker Ginned Up Budget Shortfall To Undercut Worker Rights
                                      http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ker-rights.php

                                      Unlike true austerity measures -- service rollbacks, furloughs, and other temporary measures that cause pain but save money -- rolling back worker's bargaining rights by itself saves almost nothing on its own. But Walker's doing it anyhow, to knock down a barrier and allow him to cut state employee benefits immediately.

                                      Furthermore, this broadside comes less than a month after the state's fiscal bureau -- the Wisconsin equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office -- concluded that Wisconsin isn't even in need of austerity measures, and could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. In fact, they say that the current budget shortfall is a direct result of tax cut policies Walker enacted in his first days in office.

                                      So in reality once again we are talking about a corrupt governor using tactics to destroy workers' rights.

                                      And btw the dems move would be strategic...they are buying time to let the public tidal wave continue and probably build a good case to oust that douchebag Walker.
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                                        • Far-L
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                                          • Feb 2002
                                          • 6065
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                          http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110218/..._budget_unions

                                          MADISON, Wis. – The Wisconsin State Patrol was dispatched Friday to find a Democratic state senator who fled the Capitol to delay the near-certain passage of a bill to end a half-century of collective bargaining rights for public workers, a measure that's attracted thousands of protesters for four days.

                                          I guess when the going gets tough, the democrats hide?
                                          Not the case. I suggest you get more details. The dems fled to create a philibuster style tactic to prevent the republicans from rescinding major worker rights legislation.

                                          The fact that the Gov sent officers after them and is considering calling in the National Guard is more proof that many republicans are just fascists in democratic clothing.
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                                            • _Richard_
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Oct 2006
                                              • 30991
                                              #12
                                              isn't that the state that tried to call in the national guard to crush political dissent?

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                                                • epitome
                                                  So Fucking Lame
                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                  • 12156
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Caligari
                                                  the problem is when you get your news from yahoo;)

                                                  Wisconsin Gov. Walker Ginned Up Budget Shortfall To Undercut Worker Rights
                                                  http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ker-rights.php




                                                  So in reality once again we are talking about a corrupt governor using tactics to destroy workers' rights.

                                                  And btw the dems move would be strategic...they are buying time to let the public tidal wave continue and probably build a good case to oust that douchebag Walker.
                                                  Stop it! This thread is about bashing democrats! Don't let silly facts get in the way!

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                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                      • 23200
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by sicone
                                                      When did 1 become 'they'?
                                                      Sen. Tim Cullen said he and other Democrats planned to stage their boycott until Saturday to give the public more time to speak out against the bill.



                                                      Originally posted by Far-L
                                                      Not the case. I suggest you get more details. The dems fled to create a philibuster style tactic to prevent the republicans from rescinding major worker rights legislation.

                                                      The fact that the Gov sent officers after them and is considering calling in the National Guard is more proof that many republicans are just fascists in democratic clothing.
                                                      Key word being FLED!

                                                      State workers got it made with collective bargaining, which I'm sure some of you don't even know how powerful that is, Jerry Brown gave that to California State workers and fucked the state.
                                                      Just getting rid of that will help the state, then make them pay for part of their retirement, which is pretty damn good and part of their health insurance, just like private sector jobs!
                                                      And before any idiots start calling me Anti Union, I have two union cards, one being teamster. I believe in a lot of what the union does, but they are getting too much for state workers, it's unrealistic in this economy!
                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                      think about that

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                                                        • marketsmart
                                                          HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                          • 20419
                                                          #15
                                                          i blame Obama....






                                                          ./

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                                                            • 2MuchMark
                                                              Mark of 2Much.net
                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                              • 50977
                                                              #16
                                                              You can't fight stupid.

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                                                                • _Richard_
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                  • 30991
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                  Sen. Tim Cullen said he and other Democrats planned to stage their boycott until Saturday to give the public more time to speak out against the bill.





                                                                  Key word being FLED!

                                                                  State workers got it made with collective bargaining, which I'm sure some of you don't even know how powerful that is, Jerry Brown gave that to California State workers and fucked the state.
                                                                  Just getting rid of that will help the state, then make them pay for part of their retirement, which is pretty damn good and part of their health insurance, just like private sector jobs!
                                                                  And before any idiots start calling me Anti Union, I have two union cards, one being teamster. I believe in a lot of what the union does, but they are getting too much for state workers, it's unrealistic in this economy!
                                                                  so you're saying the problem is teachers are being paid too much?

                                                                  i.. but.. see..

                                                                  fuck it.

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                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                      • 23200
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                      so you're saying the problem is teachers are being paid too much?

                                                                      i.. but.. see..

                                                                      fuck it.
                                                                      NO, they are not going to take a cut in pay.
                                                                      But if the Teachers want to go on strike, all state employee's can go on strike, so to settle a pay problem with a teacher, the garbage doesn't get picked up and DMV closes down
                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                      think about that

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                                                                        • _Richard_
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Oct 2006
                                                                          • 30991
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                          NO, they are not going to take a cut in pay.
                                                                          But if the Teachers want to go on strike, all state employee's can go on strike, so to settle a pay problem with a teacher, the garbage doesn't get picked up and DMV closes down
                                                                          look, man, i don't know how to better explain the connotations behind calling in the national guard to suppress dissent. the fact they tried to do this against state workers should BLOW YOUR MIND

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                                                                            • ReGGs
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                                                                              • Apr 2006
                                                                              • 248
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Funny how someone so against "Big Gubment" becomes a boot licker when it does something they like. Fact is the main reason Wisconsin is in this huge predicament is because the Governor in all his infinite wisdom gave so many tax cuts to the rich that the only way to balance the budget is to take it from the poor and middle class.

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                                                                              Make no mistake if you are rooting for that idiot governor you are on the wrong side of history.

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                                                                                • Bryan G
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                                  • 8338
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Vend,
                                                                                  Do you ever shut the fuck up. You are such a whiney little cunt. A while back you posted about the liberals always complaining. Fact is NO ONE bitches more about politics on this board then you. Either do something about it (other than bitching on gfy) or shut your pie hole you cunt.
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                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                      look, man, i don't know how to better explain the connotations behind calling in the national guard to suppress dissent. the fact they tried to do this against state workers should BLOW YOUR MIND
                                                                                      Oh it does, state workers that should be at work? Politicians that SHOULD be at work. This is why we pay taxes, right? To fund the government?
                                                                                      But like any big gathering like this, calling in the guard would be prudent. Could get ugly, or at least uglier!!

                                                                                      I worked on high rises in LA, if we were to strike, we weren't allowed to even strike the building we worked on.
                                                                                      Yet the Iron workers did a wild cat strike against us, stopping work, something that wasn't even sanctioned by their local, it got pretty nasty, they were pulling people off the bench just to have numbers on our jobs!
                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                        • GregE
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                          • 2704
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                          Oh it does, state workers that should be at work? Politicians that SHOULD be at work. This is why we pay taxes, right?
                                                                                          The absent legislators are acting to prevent an injustice the only way it can be prevented.

                                                                                          I'd say that they are clearly doing their jobs.

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                                                                                            • Sly
                                                                                              Let's do some business!
                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                              • 31376
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Bryan G
                                                                                              Vend,
                                                                                              Do you ever shut the fuck up. You are such a whiney little cunt. A while back you posted about the liberals always complaining. Fact is NO ONE bitches more about politics on this board then you. Either do something about it (other than bitching on gfy) or shut your pie hole you cunt.
                                                                                              LOL. I literally laughed out loud. That was pretty funny.
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                                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                  LOL. I literally laughed out loud. That was pretty funny.
                                                                                                  From 2001 to 2010, Wisconsin taxpayers paid more than $8 billion for state employee health care coverage, while state employees contributed only $398 million, less than 5% of the total costs. From 2000 to 2009, taxpayers paid $12.6 billion for public employee pensions, while the employees only contributed $55.4 million, less than 0.5% of the total cost.

                                                                                                  In staging sick-outs and protests over a request that they make a modest 5.8% contribution to their pensions and pay 12.6% of their health insurance premiums (half the national average), state employees look greedy and selfish.

                                                                                                  In California, when you retire from the state,you do so with 95% of your pay and you don't have to contribute to it, it's fully funded by California. Name any private sector jobs that do that?


                                                                                                  And do me a favor, I have BryanG on ignore, because he's too much of a pussy to say this to my face, don't quote him
                                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by GregE
                                                                                                      The absent legislators are acting to prevent an injustice the only way it can be prevented.

                                                                                                      I'd say that they are clearly doing their jobs.
                                                                                                      they can vote? Thats what they were hired for
                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                                        • LiveDose
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                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                                          • 25792
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Way too much symbolism and no guts in politics these days.

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                                                                                                            • GregE
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                              • 2704
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                              they can vote? Thats what they were hired for
                                                                                                              Read the story. There aren't enough of them to prevent this bad law from being passed.

                                                                                                              This is the only way they can stop it.

                                                                                                              Agree with them or disagree with them, there's no denying that they're serving the interests of their particular constituency.

                                                                                                              And that, after all, is what the people who voted for them hired them to do.

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                                                                                                                • llporter
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                                                                                                                  • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                  • 3221
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  man i never post in this cesspool anymore but your you are such a dumbass I had to post just to tell you... you are fucking 'tard

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                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by GregE
                                                                                                                      Read the story. There aren't enough of them to prevent this bad law from being passed.

                                                                                                                      This is the only way they can stop it.

                                                                                                                      Agree with them or disagree with them, there's no denying that they're serving the interests of their particular constituency.

                                                                                                                      And that, after all, is what the people who voted for them hired them to do.
                                                                                                                      Oh I know , I have been in unions, they always told us to vote democrat.
                                                                                                                      But to hide from a vote?
                                                                                                                      I'm sorry, thats not right. What does it accomplish? The last time they did this it failed, what makes them feel like it's going to work this time?
                                                                                                                      Last edited by Vendzilla; 02-18-2011, 07:04 PM.
                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by llporter
                                                                                                                          man i never post in this cesspool anymore but your you are such a dumbass I had to post just to tell you... you are fucking 'tard
                                                                                                                          So your just here to call me a name and the board a name, fucking funny!
                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                                            • GregE
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                                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                              • 2704
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                              Oh I know , I have been in unions, they always told us to vote democrat.
                                                                                                                              But to hide from a vote?
                                                                                                                              I'm sorry, thats not right.
                                                                                                                              Think of it as a parliamentary maneuver. It's certainly no less ethical than blocking votes, you know you'll lose, by threatening a filibuster. You know, like Boehner's boys did so often these past two years.


                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                              What does it accomplish? The last time they did this it failed, what makes them feel like it's going to work this time?
                                                                                                                              It buys time and, more importantly, it turns a regional news story into a national headline.

                                                                                                                              Don't be so sure it won't work. Wisconsin ain't Texas.
                                                                                                                              Last edited by GregE; 02-18-2011, 08:50 PM.

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                                                                                                                                • The Demon
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by llporter
                                                                                                                                  man i never post in this cesspool anymore but your you are such a dumbass I had to post just to tell you... you are fucking 'tard
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                                                                                                                                    • cykoe6
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                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 4499
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Breaking the public employees unions is a must if we are ever going to fix our budget problems on the state and federal level. This is just the first battle in a long war against the welfare mentality of the public employees unions.
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                                                                                                                                        • nico-t
                                                                                                                                          emperor of my world
                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 29903
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          hm, dumb fucks still cheering for their "side" and bitching about the "other side", still not realising that it's all the same to keep you, the sheep, in check. Pretty sad. Good lil follower.

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                                                                                                                                            • GatorB
                                                                                                                                              The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 18208
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                              http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110218/..._budget_unions

                                                                                                                                              MADISON, Wis. ? The Wisconsin State Patrol was dispatched Friday to find a Democratic state senator who fled the Capitol to delay the near-certain passage of a bill to end a half-century of collective bargaining rights for public workers, a measure that's attracted thousands of protesters for four days.

                                                                                                                                              I guess when the going gets tough, the democrats hide?
                                                                                                                                              More retardation by you. Try LEARNING about things. theya re NOT running away. They just don't want a BS law to be passed. If you notice the PEOPLE ar protesting against the law. The PEOPLE. Have any picture/video of people SUPPORTING taking away pay and benefits from teachers, cops and firefighters? Don;t cops and firefighters put their asses on the line daily like soldiers? You know like you kid? Why don't reduce pay and benefits from them too while we're at it? Oh wait you'd be against it because you are a HYPOCRITE. Only muderers and child molesters are worse than hypocrites, but not by much.

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                                                                                                                                                • Sly
                                                                                                                                                  Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 31376
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla

                                                                                                                                                  And do me a favor, I have BryanG on ignore, because he's too much of a pussy to say this to my face, don't quote him
                                                                                                                                                  No can do. I support free press. A red-blooded American such as yourself should do the same.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                      No can do. I support free press. A red-blooded American such as yourself should do the same.
                                                                                                                                                      Ok, I can see that, just trying to keep from meeting up with him at a show and ripping off one of his arms and beating him with it. Thats why I have him on ignore.
                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                                                                                        • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 75733
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                          From 2001 to 2010, Wisconsin taxpayers paid more than $8 billion for state employee health care coverage, while state employees contributed only $398 million, less than 5% of the total costs. From 2000 to 2009, taxpayers paid $12.6 billion for public employee pensions, while the employees only contributed $55.4 million, less than 0.5% of the total cost.

                                                                                                                                                          In staging sick-outs and protests over a request that they make a modest 5.8% contribution to their pensions and pay 12.6% of their health insurance premiums (half the national average), state employees look greedy and selfish.

                                                                                                                                                          In California, when you retire from the state,you do so with 95% of your pay and you don't have to contribute to it, it's fully funded by California. Name any private sector jobs that do that?


                                                                                                                                                          And do me a favor, I have BryanG on ignore, because he's too much of a pussy to say this to my face, don't quote him
                                                                                                                                                          I find it ironic that your complaining about benefits for state employees while your daughter goes to college on the GI Bill.
                                                                                                                                                          Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                          Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                              I find it ironic that your complaining about benefits for state employees while your daughter goes to college on the GI Bill.
                                                                                                                                                              Big difference between benefits that last 3 years for school and benefits that last the rest of their lives.

                                                                                                                                                              One union has already seeked a compromise on everything but the collective bargaining.

                                                                                                                                                              So you see it's not really about them losing their benefits, it's about losing their power.

                                                                                                                                                              The union I was in during the 80's had to take some cuts, no one cried about it.

                                                                                                                                                              Now with Tea Party people on the way there, it's going to get interesting.
                                                                                                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                              think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                • letitbe
                                                                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2011
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Middle Class Erosion - Etc.

                                                                                                                                                                  Collective bargaining gives the teachers or employees one voice to negotiate with the state. Wisconsin should negotiate with the union to scale back benefits if they want to save money. Removing collective bargaining only removes the workers right to protect their rights and is another bridge to eroding the middle class.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • tony286
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      If they made vend pay fair market value for his government given tricare. He would scream bloody murder.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • tony286
                                                                                                                                                                          lurker
                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by letitbe
                                                                                                                                                                          Collective bargaining gives the teachers or employees one voice to negotiate with the state. Wisconsin should negotiate with the union to scale back benefits if they want to save money. Removing collective bargaining only removes the workers right to protect their rights and is another bridge to eroding the middle class.
                                                                                                                                                                          Yep well said

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                                                                                                                                                                            • The Demon
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 7336
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by nico-t
                                                                                                                                                                              hm, dumb fucks still cheering for their "side" and bitching about the "other side", still not realising that it's all the same to keep you, the sheep, in check. Pretty sad. Good lil follower.
                                                                                                                                                                              Hmmm insecure social rejects claiming everybody is a sheep and a follower desperately trying to show people their thinking is "unique". ROFL.. How many of you morons actually exist? I love it.

                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                              More retardation by you. Try LEARNING about things. theya re NOT running away. They just don't want a BS law to be passed. If you notice the PEOPLE ar protesting against the law. The PEOPLE. Have any picture/video of people SUPPORTING taking away pay and benefits from teachers, cops and firefighters? Don;t cops and firefighters put their asses on the line daily like soldiers? You know like you kid? Why don't reduce pay and benefits from them too while we're at it? Oh wait you'd be against it because you are a HYPOCRITE. Only muderers and child molesters are worse than hypocrites, but not by much.
                                                                                                                                                                              GatorB, you're as dumb as they come. You shouldnt tell people to "learn" anything when you have no comprehension of the word.

                                                                                                                                                                              Also, the bolded text proves that you have the IQ of a retarded chimp.
                                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by The Demon; 02-19-2011, 08:02 AM.
                                                                                                                                                                              Greed is Good

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by letitbe
                                                                                                                                                                                  Collective bargaining gives the teachers or employees one voice to negotiate with the state. Wisconsin should negotiate with the union to scale back benefits if they want to save money. Removing collective bargaining only removes the workers right to protect their rights and is another bridge to eroding the middle class.
                                                                                                                                                                                  I heard they are not removing them completely, just for the benefits
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                                                                                                                  If they made vend pay fair market value for his government given tricare. He would scream bloody murder.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Never used it, so I wouldn't be screaming anything, nice try
                                                                                                                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by The Demon


                                                                                                                                                                                      GatorB, you're as dumb as they come. You shouldnt tell people to "learn" anything when you have no comprehension of the word.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Also, the bolded text proves that you have the IQ of a retarded chimp.
                                                                                                                                                                                      I put him on ignore after the shit he said about my daughter, keeps me from hunting him down and making him piss in his panties from fear
                                                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Minte
                                                                                                                                                                                          Babemeister
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 7081
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by letitbe
                                                                                                                                                                                          Collective bargaining gives the teachers or employees one voice to negotiate with the state. Wisconsin should negotiate with the union to scale back benefits if they want to save money. Removing collective bargaining only removes the workers right to protect their rights and is another bridge to eroding the middle class.
                                                                                                                                                                                          The workers in Wisconsin have plenty of protection. There is OSHA,LIRC,EEOC,NLRB and I am sure a few more that are all free for every worker in the state who thinks their rights have been trampled.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Today, state unions are only about leverage to get more than their counterparts in private industry receive.
                                                                                                                                                                                          You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • tony286
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                              I heard they are not removing them completely, just for the benefits


                                                                                                                                                                                              Never used it, so I wouldn't be screaming anything, nice try
                                                                                                                                                                                              Before u said u did use it which is it?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Big difference between benefits that last 3 years for school and benefits that last the rest of their lives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  One union has already seeked a compromise on everything but the collective bargaining.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So you see it's not really about them losing their benefits, it's about losing their power.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The union I was in during the 80's had to take some cuts, no one cried about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now with Tea Party people on the way there, it's going to get interesting.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Your daughter doesn't have benefits for three years. She has three years of the GI Bill. Then she has a lifetime of benefits. So do you. And so do I. I just got me a VA loan for a condo I rent out to a friend - who has been living off of his military benefits full time for the past twenty years. I love my military benefits.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  You cannot compare the benefits your daughter gets compared to the state employees of Wisconsin - Because you'll loose. It's simple math... Military benefits are for life.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Before u said u did use it which is it?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I got a VA loan for my house, how much to you think that cost the country?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Or are you against Vets having benefits?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is not them taking away benefits, they still will have them, they will just have to pay a little for them, when before they didn't pay at all, ever have a job where you didn't have to help out with paying for your benefits?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      And the unions have already tried to compromise with the governor on the benefits if they can keep the collective bargaining power, and it's just that, power!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Your daughter doesn't have benefits for three years. She has three years of the GI Bill. Then she has a lifetime of benefits. So do you. And so do I. I just got me a VA loan for a condo I rent out to a friend - who has been living off of his military benefits full time for the past twenty years. I love my military benefits.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You cannot compare the benefits your daughter gets compared to the state employees of Wisconsin - Because you'll loose. It's simple math... Military benefits are for life.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      She started on the Montgomery bill and had to pay into it, something the unions don't want to do!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      The post 9/11 bill came later
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Last edited by Vendzilla; 02-19-2011, 09:33 AM.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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