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02-11-2011, 06:21 AM

Do you think there would be any difference in SEO-value between these 2 URLs?

domains.se/showthread.php?1-Does-It-Work
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02-11-2011, 06:26 AM

massive difference.
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02-11-2011, 07:01 AM

The "/" make it look like a folder while "?" is just standard PHP... I bet you retards know shit about SEO.

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02-11-2011, 07:27 AM

go for second one, and try to hide the .php or the whole showthread.php

and add .html to the end of url.

something like this

domains.se/showthread.php/1-Does-It-Work.html

or

domains.se/1-Does-It-Work.html

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domains.se/1-Does-It-Work/1-Does-It-Work.html

or

domains.se/1-Does-It-Work/
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02-11-2011, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by cooldude7

go for second one, and try to hide the .php or the whole showthread.php

and add .html to the end of url.

something like this

domains.se/showthread.php/1-Does-It-Work.html

or

domains.se/1-Does-It-Work.html

or

domains.se/1-Does-It-Work/1-Does-It-Work.html

or

domains.se/1-Does-It-Work/

Ya, kill the dynamic if you can and make sure that page is ready before it is deployed. Lot of people toss up perfectly optimized sites when it comes to URLs and Titles... but then fail on Page content

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02-11-2011, 07:47 AM

if you compile a list of factors that really matter, this one would be number 993 273, but go for No2 anyway if it makes you feel better
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02-11-2011, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Antonio

if you compile a list of factors that really matter, this one would be number 993 273,

Don't U think that's a bit extreme... I think most people would agree it is in the top 5 of On site/on-page keyword placement factors

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02-11-2011, 09:35 AM

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02-11-2011, 10:04 AM

If the words are in the url either way, it makes no difference.... If I had to recommend anything, it would be exclude the title from the url all together so you're not repeating the same crap.

If a page has a title, text on the page is about that title, and you link to it - your work is done. Having the title in the url won't help you get any better or more rankings than you normally would have.

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02-11-2011, 10:20 AM

Thedoc is the doc
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02-11-2011, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by EVERESS

Don't U think that's a bit extreme... I think most people would agree it is in the top 5 of On site/on-page keyword placement factors

I think Antonio over estimated.... it's not a ranking factor at all.

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02-11-2011, 10:31 AM

If you make a page with the title:

Doc's Big Friendly Red Dogs and you make the url, Doctors Friendly Pruple Dogs, after the page is indexed, an exact match search on "Doctors Friendly Purple Dogs" won't return anything. Just like p=100 wouldn't return anything or a short name if you used one.

It makes no difference... if anything, having the text repeat that much, harms you - it shows you're trying to spam.

I do it two ways, either stick with ?p=whatever or shorten it to something like Docs-Dogs.

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02-11-2011, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

I think Antonio over estimated.... it's not a ranking factor at all.

I agree URL is not something to stress over...

However, take 2 blank pages with identical titles. 1 has no keywords in the URL while the other has 1-2 key words in it's URL. I say the one with keywords in the URL will rank higher if all other factors are equal

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02-11-2011, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by EVERESS

I agree URL is not something to stress over...

However, take 2 blank pages with identical titles. 1 has no keywords in the URL while the other has 1-2 key words in it's URL. I say the one with keywords in the URL will rank higher if all other factors are equal

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If that other word isn't used in the title/links to the page, etc... yahoo and google both aren't going to give it much weight, if any. If both pages use keyword 1 three times, the 2nd page with the extra keyword in the url, isn't going to boost the first keywords ranking - it would simply rank for the 2nd keyword someplace.

Now for yahoo for sure, having keywords in the url, matching titles, body text, ect - does give it more weight. But the big G - if it gives it any weight, I can't figure out how to see it.

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02-11-2011, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by TheDoc

If that other word isn't used in the title/links to the page, etc... yahoo and google both aren't going to give it much weight, if any. If both pages use keyword 1 three times, the 2nd page with the extra keyword in the url, isn't going to boost the first keywords ranking - it would simply rank for the 2nd keyword someplace.

Now for yahoo for sure, having keywords in the url, matching titles, body text, ect - does give it more weight. But the big G - if it gives it any weight, I can't figure out how to see it.

Such intricate details can never be proven or disproven... So I'm not going to be a ridiculous forum troll and say "prove it". With what you have said... We are on the same page as far as: it may not help... But it won't hurt ether.

Many people would scream... Penalties... Penalties... Penalties!!! On similar factors... but that's usually because they went over the top on something else like link bombing.

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02-11-2011, 11:02 PM

Not as much as you think
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02-12-2011, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

If the words are in the url either way, it makes no difference.... If I had to recommend anything, it would be exclude the title from the url all together so you're not repeating the same crap.

If a page has a title, text on the page is about that title, and you link to it - your work is done. Having the title in the url won't help you get any better or more rankings than you normally would have.

That's just wrong. Title / site keywords are important to include in the URL if at all possible.

I don't agree that the ? does a lot of difference, if so, SE's should prefer regular html pages over php? I doubt that.

But.... I pulled out...
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02-12-2011, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Emil

Do you think there would be any difference in SEO-value between these 2 URLs?

domains.se/showthread.php?1-Does-It-Work
domains.se/showthread.php/1-Does-It-Work

Yes for sure, don't use a ? it has a penalty.

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02-12-2011, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by EVERESS

Such intricate details can never be proven or disproven... So I'm not going to be a ridiculous forum troll and say "prove it". With what you have said... We are on the same page as far as: it may not help... But it won't hurt ether.

Many people would scream... Penalties... Penalties... Penalties!!! On similar factors... but that's usually because they went over the top on something else like link bombing.

I don't think it would be a penalty as much as, not giving you as much weight as you could get because things look a little spammish.

I did experiment with this on TheDocBlog, if you look the site uses ?p=# for post url's... it was once long urls. My rankings improved rather strongly after the change, and I picked up many new keywords... I really think it was hitting off the URL's making the pages look like spam. - I don't give a shit about Yahoo, "we" don't use Yahoo

I also did something like this on my Golf Blog, but on the pages. I had long url's for those, I reduced them to short urls, redirected and after a short period of time, I went from the 2nd page to #8 for the keyword. Now I didn't hold the ranking because I didn't add more links - but it showed what a simple change can make - reducing your keyword count so it doesn't look like you're trying to spam.

Both of these sites have some authority attached to them.. They dang sure aren't new sites that probably could benefit from the extra keywords, for sure in porn, to pickup those long tail keywords.

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02-12-2011, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by Markul

That's just wrong. Title / site keywords are important to include in the URL if at all possible.

I don't agree that the ? does a lot of difference, if so, SE's should prefer regular html pages over php? I doubt that.

Plenty of sites without keywords in the url, rank over sites with keywords and visa versa. Just like some forums are listed with ? and id's, youtube videos rank with ? and no keywords in the url above everyone, and many more examples can be found, in every direction.

If it was a factor that made that much of a difference, it would rule the serps on Google, but it doesn't. Yahoo, is a different story as stated above.

Not sure whatcha mean with the ? - I don't think one really improves you over the other.

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02-12-2011, 06:16 AM

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02-12-2011, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by chaze

Yes for sure, don't use a ? it has a penalty.

Google uses ? in it's own urls

Don't forget about Youtube, the 1000's of index forums, other search engines, image indexing sites, and even wp blogs that use ? without any issues.

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02-12-2011, 06:25 AM

For an example Google: how to build an adult paysite

#1 ranking is a site with ?, no keywords in the url.. Ranking above a page that is 2 years older, ehow with an exact phrase match and url match which is an authority site, and even a forum with ? ranked...

Still think it makes a difference?

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02-12-2011, 06:47 AM

Yeah, I like the second one.

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