Once a week isn't enough. - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 02-04-2011, 04:24 AM

To retain people buying memberships. http://www.xbiz.com/news/129869

It's like adding a new scene every week, it's just not enough to keep members buying. Either from your site or another one.

I saw a thread today from an affiliate looking for solo girl sites that do weekly shows and there were quite a few answers. So I'm assuming that members and affiliates like live shows.

So why don't these sites get together and share their live shows with each other, even if it's only 7 that ups the shows to once a day. An excellent way to upsell to each other, retain and attract more members. Done with 14, 21, 28, etc. The snowball starts to roll. Customers will start to think the norm is live shows, they will want more and more and if the shows are good provide affiliates with an effective tool to compete against sites who give away free pre recorded porn.

The days of selling pre recorded porn are numbered. Adapt or die.

TheDoc · 02-04-2011, 05:55 AM

Once a week seems to work perfectly fine when looking at actual conversion/retention numbers. Some types of content must to update more, others can update even less than once a week. So rather than using your advice with no numbers to support it, I recommend people stick to what they are doing, and do what your numbers tell you.

The future is whatever provides the most privacy, based on a technology. Cams are no different than paysites.. not everyone can convert cams, not everyone can convert paysites, and you can always find many people that kill it on both. It's not about being live, or being recorded - it never has been - it's always been about privacy first, and always will be.

Paul Markham · 02-04-2011, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Once a week seems to work perfectly fine when looking at actual conversion/retention numbers. Some types of content must to update more, others can update even less than once a week. So rather than using your advice with no numbers to support it, I recommend people stick to what they are doing, and do what your numbers tell you.

The future is whatever provides the most privacy, based on a technology. Cams are no different than paysites.. not everyone can convert cams, not everyone can convert paysites, and you can always find many people that kill it on both. It's not about being live, or being recorded - it never has been - it's always been about privacy first, and always will be.

So once a week will work better than once a day?

If a surfer wants privacy nothing beats a Tube site. No login, no credit card, no email required, no spam from ex sites and complete privacy.

Shit why didn't I think of that?????????????

Nicky · 02-04-2011, 06:02 AM

One site I promote has 3 exclusive updates per day, 7 day's a week. It's also niche which makes It retain very well.

TheDoc · 02-04-2011, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So once a week will work better than once a day?

If a surfer wants privacy nothing beats a Tube site. No login, no credit card, no email required, no spam from ex sites and complete privacy.

Shit why didn't I think of that?????????????

Yes, in many cases updating once a day simply isn't cost effective. Daily updates, doesn't mean you'll get more sales, and it doesn't mean you'll retain so much better that it covers the costs.

Some sites do perfectly fine with weekly updates and it would be completely pointless for them to update more.

No, a tube site visitor isn't one of our customers, that isn't the type of privacy we're talking about....which every free site is part of as well, and always has been. We're talking about privacy as in: PC vs Mobile - Mobile is a MUCH more private way to view, secure, enjoy, etc your porn OVER the family PC.

Paul Markham · 02-04-2011, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yes, in many cases updating once a day simply isn't cost effective. Daily updates, doesn't mean you'll get more sales, and it doesn't mean you'll retain so much better that it covers the costs.

Some sites do perfectly fine with weekly updates and it would be completely pointless for them to update more.

No, a tube site visitor isn't one of our customers, that isn't the type of privacy we're talking about....which every free site is part of as well, and always has been. We're talking about privacy as in: PC vs Mobile - Mobile is a MUCH more private way to view, secure, enjoy, etc your porn OVER the family PC.

By sharing the shows there is no real additional cost.

Who said it had to be reserved to computers, can work for cell phones as well.

The draw is it's live, it's real and it's happening NOW somewhere in the world. And it can't be given away for free.

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No, a tube site visitor isn't one of our customers,

THEY MIGHT OF BEEN IN THE OLD DAYS.

TheDoc · 02-04-2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

By sharing the shows there is no real additional cost.

Who said it had to be reserved to computers, can work for cell phones as well.

The draw is it's live, it's real and it's happening NOW somewhere in the world. And it can't be given away for free.

THEY MIGHT OF BEEN IN THE OLD DAYS.

Are they sharing the costs? So if TB is on board with my live show, who is covering that bill? If I have the hot girl that everyone likes, then what?

Live cams, isn't the future... it has taken a hit just like paysites have, it's just another way to get your porn, in another flavor - that just like paysites - not everyone likes. The future is the "privacy" item, the porn being sold on it makes no difference... be it recorded, live, etc.

Paul Markham · 02-04-2011, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Are they sharing the costs? So if TB is on board with my live show, who is covering that bill? If I have the hot girl that everyone likes, then what?

Live cams, isn't the future... it has taken a hit just like paysites have, it's just another way to get your porn, in another flavor - that just like paysites - not everyone likes. The future is the "privacy" item, the porn being sold on it makes no difference... be it recorded, live, etc.

Well you will have to take the cost of the BW but that's nothing.

Nothing is as private as Free porn. Even on a cell phone people get spammed. That's how a lot of them sell by sending out spam on the phone. I get text messages all the time on mine. Good luck to the guy who doesn't want to be found out having his wife see the message.

Once you give info over there's no privacy. The less you give the more private it is. Good luck selling cell phone sex when the users realise pornhub is on their cell phone.

Barefootsies · 02-04-2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yes, in many cases updating once a day simply isn't cost effective. Daily updates, doesn't mean you'll get more sales, and it doesn't mean you'll retain so much better that it covers the costs.

Some sites do perfectly fine with weekly updates and it would be completely pointless for them to update more.

The Doc would be correct.

We used to update daily ourselves. However what we found, especially after we had gotten over the 1000 scene mark, was that almost all members watch their favorite scenes over and over again. Most members do not even watch all of the scenes available to them. They just find a favorite that hits the spot and watch that over and over.

Sure, there is an exception for every rule. Myself personally, I am always hunting for new porn that 'hits the spot' in foot worship. But not everyone is like me and requires those updates as the TRACKING DATA shows.

For those niche type of sites, you are better to spend a few bucks more on the girls and scenes, and make them longer. Then you can update once per week, or every few days, and get more ROI.

Of course, all of this comes down to KNOWING what your clients want in the first place.

TheDoc · 02-04-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Well you will have to take the cost of the BW but that's nothing.

Nothing is as private as Free porn. Even on a cell phone people get spammed. That's how a lot of them sell by sending out spam on the phone. I get text messages all the time on mine. Good luck to the guy who doesn't want to be found out having his wife see the message.

Once you give info over there's no privacy. The less you give the more private it is. Good luck selling cell phone sex when the users realise pornhub is on their cell phone.

Yeah, cost is nothing... Until you have to fork over the cost of 10,000 gigs of data being sucked off your machines, monthly. As a content plugin owner, you're out of your mind.

This isn't about billing privacy, this is about PERSONAL privacy, at that personal privacy of CUSTOMERS - not free loaders too afraid to buy anything online, someone I don't give a single shit about either way.

Most tubes are mobile ready... it makes no difference. It's not free porn's privacy people are after, or billing privacy... It's the PERSONAL privacy smart devices offer, and other various technologies offer.

I know you hate tubes/piracy, etc.. fact is this, they sell off the mobile for $50k-$100k+ month over month, because it converts, month over month. They broker over unique Countries/traffic sources, types of traffic... month over month, year after year. They sell dating, cams, and many of the monster ones, do well over a 100+ sales a day through the single menu premium links alone.

I know you want to hate them so much... fact is, people don't access them for privacy, they don't even access them to not have to pay.... they access them TO FIND PORN. And as soon as you can understand that most basic ideal behind that, you'll be able to move past this stupidity that people don't buy anymore.

TheDoc · 02-04-2011, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

The Doc would be correct.

We used to update daily ourselves. However what we found, especially after we had gotten over the 1000 scene mark, was that almost all members watch their favorite scenes over and over again. Most members do not even watch all of the scenes available to them. They just find a favorite that hits the spot and watch that over and over.

Sure, there is an exception for every rule. Myself personally, I am always hunting for new porn that 'hits the spot' in foot worship. But not everyone is like me and requires those updates as the TRACKING DATA shows.

For those niche type of sites, you are better to spend a few bucks more on the girls and scenes, and make them longer. Then you can update once per week, or every few days, and get more ROI.

Of course, all of this comes down to KNOWING what your clients want in the first place.

True dat....

What I've found is this... The customer expects exactly what the tour sells them, not a single thing more and not a single thing less.

If you sell weekly, daily, monthly or no updates at all, that's exactly what they expect. If you're selling an archive, that's exactly what they expect. If the videos are crappy, but unique content, that's exactly what they expect.

They don't expect daily, hourly, or updates at all... they expect exactly what we sell them. Knowing your customer though, will greatly improve your chances of hitting those self expected marks. Like dealing in glamor, is going to require a serious level of quality to compete.

02-04-2011, 07:53 AM

here he goes. .. . :D

myjah · 02-04-2011, 07:59 AM

I think what you are describing is already in place. CamZFeeds.com.

Mutt · 02-04-2011, 08:29 AM

it's already being done, shared camshows between different paysites isn't a new idea. and they don't mean much when it comes to rebills, camshows in general don't mean much, it's a very small %, at most 10%, of solo girl site members who view the camshows.

i gave the members of my solo girl site a chance to voice their opinion - i asked them whether they'd prefer Jewel to be part of a camshow network where they could also see other solo girl site models' camshows OR keep Jewel's camshows exclusive to her members only. They answered unanimously that they joined the site for Jewel, they'd rather have her to themselves.

She's a busy student so I can't ask her to do 2 shows a week - if she wasn't so busy I'd get her to do one members only show a week and another on a shared camshow network.

Live camshows are and always have been grossly overrated on paysites.

seeandsee · 02-04-2011, 08:53 AM

add new content every day, even 1 scene

jonnydoe · 02-04-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by myjah

I think what you are describing is already in place. CamZFeeds.com.

And has been for a very long time. You beat me to the punch.

NaughtyRob · 02-04-2011, 09:22 AM

I am moving to two updates per week. One fresh new exclusive update and 1 or more filler updates for www.socalgirls.com

BestXXXPorn · 02-04-2011, 09:24 AM

@TheDoc It's not about privacy as much as it is about content... Content is still king and always will be... IMO

3xTom · 02-04-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

it's already being done, shared camshows between different paysites isn't a new idea. and they don't mean much when it comes to rebills, camshows in general don't mean much, it's a very small %, at most 10%, of solo girl site members who view the camshows.

i gave the members of my solo girl site a chance to voice their opinion - i asked them whether they'd prefer Jewel to be part of a camshow network where they could also see other solo girl site models' camshows OR keep Jewel's camshows exclusive to her members only. They answered unanimously that they joined the site for Jewel, they'd rather have her to themselves.

She's a busy student so I can't ask her to do 2 shows a week - if she wasn't so busy I'd get her to do one members only show a week and another on a shared camshow network.

Live camshows are and always have been grossly overrated on paysites.

Quoted for Truth

Paul Markham · 02-04-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Of course, all of this comes down to KNOWING what your clients want in the first place.

If this industry had a clue about what it's clients wanted it would be making money like it used to.

I'm not bringing down cell phone porn, in fact we've been pushing it for over 5 years, loads of our sales are to cell phone companies, we advertise in their trade magazines and we used to go to the conventions for cell phone content. The market is huge, ring tones, games, gambling and porn. I just don't think it's that private. It has to be billed and a lot of the marketing relies on spamming cell phones.

Plus storing scenes in your phone and even explaining to your wife why your bill is so large all leads to getting caught. Real privacy is in not paying and those that want it know this.

But sneaking a quick jerk off in the toilets while at work is an excellent sales point.

tony286 · 02-04-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

it's already being done, shared camshows between different paysites isn't a new idea. and they don't mean much when it comes to rebills, camshows in general don't mean much, it's a very small %, at most 10%, of solo girl site members who view the camshows.

i gave the members of my solo girl site a chance to voice their opinion - i asked them whether they'd prefer Jewel to be part of a camshow network where they could also see other solo girl site models' camshows OR keep Jewel's camshows exclusive to her members only. They answered unanimously that they joined the site for Jewel, they'd rather have her to themselves.

She's a busy student so I can't ask her to do 2 shows a week - if she wasn't so busy I'd get her to do one members only show a week and another on a shared camshow network.

Live camshows are and always have been grossly overrated on paysites.

Yep my wife was on a network, very few of her members went to her shows. And she would have to take abuse. Now she does a show for her members only and they like it more. She only does this show once a month giving them all lots of notice to be there.

TheDoc · 02-04-2011, 11:08 AM

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@TheDoc It's not about privacy as much as it is about content... Content is still king and always will be... IMO

Content is what they are buying, it's what they are looking for. It's like saying the music content in the music industry is king - of course it is, it's exactly what the people are looking for. If you hate bondage, you don't buy bondage, just like if you hate rap, you don't buy it.

Going back... if content was king, theaters would still do good. But the vcr changed that privacy aspect and brought it into the home. If content was king, ownership of the tape/dvd would rule. But then the pc came along, it moved the level of privacy up another notch. Now you didn't have to go out in public and rent/buy. But now the wife/kids can still find it - out of site, out of mind isn't an option yet. Then the smart phone and other technologies are coming along, and the separation of personal privacy grows even more, out of sight out of mind grows even more... the level of privacy greatly increases.

For 40 years 'people' have selected porn for two reasons.. Ease to access/get it, and how secret/private that access is. Follow the technology back and then look forward at all the various options... the path it has taken is clear.

CaptainHowdy · 02-04-2011, 11:13 AM

"That's what Eva said", j/k!

Paul Markham · 02-04-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

@TheDoc It's not about privacy as much as it is about content... Content is still king and always will be... IMO

Having great content and lots of it is still the best formula.

www.CamZFeeds.com looks like an excellent idea, will check it out.

If the scenes are good, then every day it's like adding fresh content to the site. Anyone know anything about them?

maxjohan · 02-04-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i gave the members of my solo girl site a chance to voice their opinion - i asked them whether they'd prefer Jewel to be part of a camshow network where they could also see other solo girl site models' camshows OR keep Jewel's camshows exclusive to her members only. They answered unanimously that they joined the site for Jewel, they'd rather have her to themselves.

Stats are really intresting. I guess the ones that buy porn, have bought for ages. They are the perverts of the perverts. Some like solo sites, "just one girl" - While others prefer a fetish or a mega site. It's all good. I think the porn biz is quite wonderful. Give people what they need and they will love you for it.

DigitalTheory · 02-04-2011, 12:01 PM

There is something like this in the sologirl niche. I do not know if you read my response in that other thread, as it was kind of long, but let me quote myself for you

Basically, someone signs up for any one of these girls site they get access to all the member cam shows of all the other girls who are signed up with Yourdailycams or babechat, ran by the following, with the following girls

pinkvelvetvault

The girls at pinkvelvetvault including madden, nikki, lynn, briannalee and a few others, they also run yourdaily cams which links up a few different models and gives members aabout 30 hours of solo girl cam chats a week, as far as i know there are about 20 models.

angelasommers
baileyknox
bellaxoxo
bellabellini
blueyedcass
breeroxx
brianaleeonline
brookemarks
carlottacampagne
destinydixon
diamondjames
emberreigns
emmaink
idelsy
ivysnow
janessabrazil
krissyskitty
laceybrooks
lindsroxx
lynnpops
meetmadden
melanieelyza
melissaxoxo
midoriwest
mistygates
nikkisplaymates
rachelsexton
taylortrue

now onto my other fav

bellacash

The bellacash girls convert and cam. James, the owner runs babechat.net which is like yourdailycams, in fact they recently split the one program (babechat) into two, ran by different people.

baileyknox
bellabellini
brookemarks
bryci
carlottachampagne
destinydixon
devonalexis
ivysnow
janessabrazil
katiebanks
mallymartin
mistygates
monroelee
natalienice
rachelsexton and taliashepard

The difference between the two, if I remember correctly is, babechat does not allow hardcore on cam, and that is where yourdailycams comes into play. Dont quote me on it, but I know that was somewhat the situation around the split.

BestXXXPorn · 02-04-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Content is what they are buying, it's what they are looking for. It's like saying the music content in the music industry is king - of course it is, it's exactly what the people are looking for. If you hate bondage, you don't buy bondage, just like if you hate rap, you don't buy it.

Content is still what they are looking for, everything else is a feature or added benefit.

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Going back... if content was king, theaters would still do good. But the vcr changed that privacy aspect and brought it into the home. If content was king, ownership of the tape/dvd would rule.

Content is king; would you go see or buy a crappy movie? Delivery mechanism is secondary unless the buyer is looking, specifically, for a format. In that case it becomes a requirement for purchase but some people are willing to STILL buy something not in the format they want (e.g. DVD over BluRay) if the content is just that fucking good

Nobody is going to buy crappy content (unless for some novelty reason) no matter what the format.

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

But then the pc came along, it moved the level of privacy up another notch. Now you didn't have to go out in public and rent/buy. But now the wife/kids can still find it - out of site, out of mind isn't an option yet. Then the smart phone and other technologies are coming along, and the separation of personal privacy grows even more, out of sight out of mind grows even more... the level of privacy greatly increases.

For 40 years 'people' have selected porn for two reasons.. Ease to access/get it, and how secret/private that access is. Follow the technology back and then look forward at all the various options... the path it has taken is clear.

They've purchased it for the content... Everything else is secondary and tertiary... It HAS to start with good content. I guarantee I could sell Polaroid pics on the street today if the content was crazy hot ;)

I'm not saying that both privacy and format choice aren't major factors in the equation by any means, they certainly are! But content is, and always will be, ZI KING!

TheDoc · 02-04-2011, 01:10 PM

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Content is still what they are looking for, everything else is a feature or added benefit.

Privacy isn't a feature when it comes to jacking off....

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Content is king; would you go see or buy a crappy movie? Delivery mechanism is secondary unless the buyer is looking, specifically, for a format. In that case it becomes a requirement for purchase but some people are willing to STILL buy something not in the format they want (e.g. DVD over BluRay) if the content is just that fucking good

Nobody is going to buy crappy content (unless for some novelty reason) no matter what the format.

Ask the B and D movie markets, old movies, classics, if people buy them... but they're different, they don't require a level of privacy.

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They've purchased it for the content... Everything else is secondary and tertiary... It HAS to start with good content. I guarantee I could sell Polaroid pics on the street today if the content was crazy hot ;)

You could sell more if the person never had to see you, know you, see anyone, make a private behind the scenes transaction and view/enjoy it in total privacy. It may sell either way, one way makes you a lot more money.

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

I'm not saying that both privacy and format choice aren't major factors in the equation by any means, they certainly are! But content is, and always will be, ZI KING!

I can guarantee you now, you take the best content in the world and lay it in a church, every man will turn away, yell, cry sins... give it to them in the privacy of home, no wife around and the dick comes out and the fantasies start.

Without privacy, the best porn in the world has no chance.

Paul Markham · 02-04-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Content is still what they are looking for, everything else is a feature or added benefit.

Content is king; would you go see or buy a crappy movie? Delivery mechanism is secondary unless the buyer is looking, specifically, for a format. In that case it becomes a requirement for purchase but some people are willing to STILL buy something not in the format they want (e.g. DVD over BluRay) if the content is just that fucking good

Nobody is going to buy crappy content (unless for some novelty reason) no matter what the format.

They've purchased it for the content... Everything else is secondary and tertiary... It HAS to start with good content. I guarantee I could sell Polaroid pics on the street today if the content was crazy hot ;)

I'm not saying that both privacy and format choice aren't major factors in the equation by any means, they certainly are! But content is, and always will be, ZI KING!

When selling a repeat buy product it will always be king. People don't buy the same brand or even product over and over because it was shit and the promoters kept sending them there.

The problem with this part of the porn industry is it simply isn't willing to pay the cost of shooting quality content.

I know I've said this over and over but it's still true.

The mags paid us well enough to get it right. It was paid for when it went to print, so even if on the editors shelf, it's not bought until it's in print. If we produced rubbish we went bankrupt.

For 2 solo girl sets of a good girl shot in one day we could get $8,000 return on sales. NO CUSTOM EXCLUSIVE INTERNET PORN SHOOTER HAS EVER MADE THAT. To my knowledge, but I'm sure they will all say they had.

In truth if they had sold sets to magazines, they wouldn't be shooting 4-5 solo girl sets and videos for $1500 to $2,000 for the day. We weren't shooting for that money, we didn't have to.

Yes times have changed, about 5 years ago. So all the "bro" custom shooters around then and now, were either not good enough shooters or not good enough businessmen to make a call. That's all it took to go and see the editors and submit work.

And neither were the sponsors bright enough to make their members areas content profitable without a single member seeing it.

Paul Markham · 02-05-2011, 04:57 AM

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Privacy isn't a feature when it comes to jacking off....

Didn't you say you used to share jerk off magazines years ago? Seems you weren't that interested in privacy or blowing smoke.

Those who want privacy will go to free porn sites. They are spoilt for choice. So how private is porn on a cell phone?

Does it require billing if so will the charge show up on a credit card bill or a phone bill, does selling it involve spamming the number if not how do you market to the end user on the Internet or on the phone. Are scenes downloaded to the phone stored on the phone. In fact what privacy does it involve?

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You could sell more if the person never had to see you, know you, see anyone, make a private behind the scenes transaction and view/enjoy it in total privacy. It may sell either way, one way makes you a lot more money.

I can guarantee you now, you take the best content in the world and lay it in a church, every man will turn away, yell, cry sins... give it to them in the privacy of home, no wife around and the dick comes out and the fantasies start.

Without privacy, the best porn in the world has no chance.

How did Larry Flynt, Hugh Heffner, Paul Raymond, David Sullivan, David Gold, Berth Milton, and more ever amass such fortunes selling porn that people had to walk into a shop to buy. Your logic is made illogical by the facts.

In fact how did you and your mates buy magazines to swap and not reveal yourself as wankers to all who knew you and knew your friends?

Probably TheDoc is so wrapped up in his privacy theory he's blind to the obvious. Yes no one wants to be caught with a pile of porn, but all bought porn leaves a trail.

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Didn't you say you used to share jerk off magazines years ago? Seems you weren't that interested in privacy or blowing smoke.

Those who want privacy will go to free porn sites. They are spoilt for choice. So how private is porn on a cell phone?

Does it require billing if so will the charge show up on a credit card bill or a phone bill, does selling it involve spamming the number if not how do you market to the end user on the Internet or on the phone. Are scenes downloaded to the phone stored on the phone. In fact what privacy does it involve?

Umm... yeah, and when jacking it you need some privacy.

Again, we're talking about privacy, alone time, me time, time without kids, wife, buddies so you can stoke the cock - that type of privacy.

It's not possible for me to explain this to you anymore... it's very clear and very easy to understand.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How did Larry Flynt, Hugh Heffner, Paul Raymond, David Sullivan, David Gold, Berth Milton, and more ever amass such fortunes selling porn that people had to walk into a shop to buy. Your logic is made illogical by the facts.

In fact how did you and your mates buy magazines to swap and not reveal yourself as wankers to all who knew you and knew your friends?

Probably TheDoc is so wrapped up in his privacy theory he's blind to the obvious. Yes no one wants to be caught with a pile of porn, but all bought porn leaves a trail.

Do people jack off in porn stores? No...

If you can't figure out what type of privacy we're talking about then you truly are a complete idiot.

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 05:14 AM

I just have to post again and say.... If you can't figure out people need alone time to enjoy porn, and that alone time is called privacy, the type of privacy EVERYONE looks for when it comes to porn.....

Then truly - you are an idiot and shouldn't be allowed in this Industry.

signupdamnit · 02-05-2011, 05:37 AM

I don't get the programs who cannot even be bothered to update once a month. Preferably the tour as well. It can make a big difference for conversions and rebills at that threshold.

AG_Downunder · 02-05-2011, 05:53 AM

This thread and many others like this is why this industry is going to shit... Surfers come on, look through the info and ideas everyone comes up with... Why don't we just call GFY a tube site and be done with it.

Paul Markham · 02-05-2011, 05:57 AM

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Umm... yeah, and when jacking it you need some privacy.

Again, we're talking about privacy, alone time, me time, time without kids, wife, buddies so you can stoke the cock - that type of privacy.

It's not possible for me to explain this to you anymore... it's very clear and very easy to understand.

Do people jack off in porn stores? No...

If you can't figure out what type of privacy we're talking about then you truly are a complete idiot.

So the privacy is the ability to sneak off to the loo to have a wank.

Men have been doing that for decades.

And yes you can jerk off in a porn shop. Go work it out you're too dumb to explain how.

How did anyone sell porn when there was a chance they would get caught? The cell phone invented private porn.

The sad thing is clowns like that are now trying to sell porn. No idea of the business, market or consumer and probably thinks if you sling enough mud at the wall some will stick.

All industries have a way of weeding out the dumb. 33 years in this industry speaks for itself.

People need privacy to jerk off????????????????????????????? Fucking amazing.

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So the privacy is the ability to sneak off to the loo to have a wank.

Men have been doing that for decades.

And yes you can jerk off in a porn shop. Go work it out you're too dumb to explain how.

How did anyone sell porn when there was a chance they would get caught? The cell phone invented private porn.

The sad thing is clowns like that are now trying to sell porn. No idea of the business, market or consumer and probably thinks if you sling enough mud at the wall some will stick.

Seriously... No wonder you're a failed failed pornographer.

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

All industries have a way of weeding out the dumb. 33 years in this industry speaks for itself.

People need privacy to jerk off????????????????????????????? Fucking amazing.

And we're still waiting for you to die off....

Yes idiot, this is what the smart phone does, it gives them porn in privacy, away from anyone, locked away people can't find it, away from the home pc with the kids..

I'll let you get back to pretending you've ever sold porn to customers yourself...

Paul Markham · 02-05-2011, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I don't get the programs who cannot even be bothered to update once a month. Preferably the tour as well. It can make a big difference for conversions and rebills at that threshold.

Obviously these guys are bad businessmen or there's no benefit for them to update. The returns don't pay them enough or it's better to launch a new site with the new content.

Bad businessmen have a habit of not lasting long.

Paul Markham · 02-05-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

And we're still waiting for you to die off....

Yes idiot, this is what the smart phone does, it gives them porn in privacy, away from anyone, locked away people can't find it, away from the home pc with the kids..

I'll let you get back to pretending you've ever sold porn to customers yourself...

Yes Eva or I shot 3,000+ sets and 600+ videos because we never sold any.

You're too stupid to even think before you post.

How in heavens name did any of us sell porn prior to cell phones.

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Obviously these guys are bad businessmen or there's no benefit for them to update. The returns don't pay them enough or it's better to launch a new site with the new content.

Bad businessmen have a habit of not lasting long.

Surfers expect "exactly" what the tour sells them. If the tour doesn't sell weekly, monthly or updates at all the customer doesn't "expect it."

Stop assuming every surfer wants/requires the same thing....

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes Eva or I shot 3,000+ sets and 600+ videos because we never sold any.

You're too stupid to even think before you post.

How in heavens name did any of us sell porn prior to cell phones.

Too old to read?

I didn't say you never sold any, I said you've never sold to porn customers. You sell to pornographers - your consumer business completely failed.

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes Eva or I shot 3,000+ sets and 600+ videos because we never sold any.

You're too stupid to even think before you post.

How in heavens name did any of us sell porn prior to cell phones.

33 years and you've only shot 4000ish scenes (mostly pictures)? You're kinda slow, no wonder you really never had enough money to do anything in this Industry.

Paul Markham · 02-05-2011, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Too old to read?

I didn't say you never sold any, I said you've never sold to consumers. You sell to pornographers - your consumer business completely failed.

You see you prove you're a know nothing fool.

www.astral-blue.com based on content I sold to consumers via post.

www.paulmarkhamteens.com content I sell to surfers.

Can you give me a link to your "selling to consumer" sites?

If those sites had failed, why are they still up and getting joins?

signupdamnit · 02-05-2011, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Surfers expect "exactly" what the tour sells them. If the tour doesn't sell weekly, monthly or updates at all the customer doesn't "expect it."

Stop assuming every surfer wants/requires the same thing....

Okay but now we're talking about updating at least once a month. Look at it from the POV of both the surfer and the affiliate promoting them on a revshare basis. What incentive does the surfer have to not cancel their membership if there is likely not going to be any new content next month? It makes a big difference.

It's also a good idea to update the tour so that returning customers who canceled will be more likely to join since they will know they haven't seen it all before.

Paul Markham · 02-05-2011, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

33 years and you've only shot 4000ish scenes (mostly pictures)? You're kinda slow, no wonder you really never had enough money to do anything in this Industry.

Too stupid to think.

We shot for the magazine market, there's a finite number of sets you can sell to that market. The standards are high, the market is limited the ROI on investment is 10 times what what custom shooter earn.

We earnt so much I have to be honest and say we didn't need to open paysites, even with hind sight we wouldn't of changed the route we took. Saw too many lame asses like you running pip squeak businesses to think it was the pot of gold many talked about.

We're still here, many of them are gone.

Bye, bye.

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You see you prove you're a know nothing fool.

www.astral-blue.com based on content I sold to consumers via post.

www.paulmarkhamteens.com content I sell to surfers.

Can you give me a link to your "selling to consumer" sites?

If those sites had failed, why are they still up and getting joins?

Your astral blue site has malware on it.

Not to bust your balls Paul... the only sales you get is through review sites, max 3 a day - if you're lucky... You don't promote to customers, you don't have enough members to even get a response from polls, you don't sell any other niches, you don't know shit about your own customers - let alone mine.

Paysites can do a couple sales a month and cover the costs.. for sure when you're not shooting anything new.

Lint · 02-05-2011, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You see you prove you're a know nothing fool.

www.astral-blue.com based on content I sold to consumers via post.

www.paulmarkhamteens.com content I sell to surfers.

Can you give me a link to your "selling to consumer" sites?

If those sites had failed, why are they still up and getting joins?

I get a malware warning when I enter astral-blue.com, maybe you should look that up.

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Okay but now we're talking about updating at least once a month. Look at it from the POV of both the surfer and the affiliate promoting them on a revshare basis. What incentive does the surfer have to not cancel their membership if there is likely not going to be any new content next month? It makes a big difference.

It's also a good idea to update the tour so that returning customers who canceled will be more likely to join since they will know they haven't seen it all before.

They expect what is sold to them on our a tour... period!

What you're doing, is telling them what to expect - when that wasn't sold to them. If you have 5 scenes on a tour, don't talk about updates, etc - a member expects 5 scenes, that's it! If you sell updates - then they expect that...

TheDoc · 02-05-2011, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Too stupid to think.

We shot for the magazine market, there's a finite number of sets you can sell to that market. The standards are high, the market is limited the ROI on investment is 10 times what what custom shooter earn.

We earnt so much I have to be honest and say we didn't need to open paysites, even with hind sight we wouldn't of changed the route we took. Saw too many lame asses like you running pip squeak businesses to think it was the pot of gold many talked about.

We're still here, many of them are gone.

Bye, bye.

We all know you shot for crap magazines... you haven't shut up about it.

You didn't earn millions yearly... so while you're still here begging for scraps off your old out dated porn, they're retired living it up.

I'm going to have fun with you... from here out I will make it a point to rail your ass in every thread, guaranteed.

signupdamnit · 02-05-2011, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

They expect what is sold to them on our a tour... period!

What you're doing, is telling them what to expect - when that wasn't sold to them. If you have 5 scenes on a tour, don't talk about updates, etc - a member expects 5 scenes, that's it! If you sell updates - then they expect that...

Well they aren't stupid. If you never update and they can tell this by the fact that they never see any new updates why wouldn't they cancel? Do you buy the same Movie on DVD over and over again? Would you subscribe to HBO for one year if all they did was show the same 5 movies over and over with no updates? Of course you wouldn't.

If you're not updating once a month you're significantly hurting your rebill rate. I know this doesn't mean as much to many sponsors who now focus mainly cross sales and carding schemes but back in the day retention was one of the primary concerns that a paysite operator had.

02-04-2011, 04:24 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Once a week isn't enough. To retain people buying memberships. http://www.xbiz.com/news/129869 It's like adding a new scene every week, it's just not enough to keep members buying. Either from your site or another one. I saw a thread today from an affiliate looking for solo girl sites that do weekly shows and there were quite a few answers. So I'm assuming that members and affiliates like live shows. So why don't these sites get together and share their live shows with each other, even if it's only 7 that ups the shows to once a day. An excellent way to upsell to each other, retain and attract more members. Done with 14, 21, 28, etc. The snowball starts to roll. Customers will start to think the norm is live shows, they will want more and more and if the shows are good provide affiliates with an effective tool to compete against sites who give away free pre recorded porn. The days of selling pre recorded porn are numbered. Adapt or die. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

02-04-2011, 05:55 AM	#2
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Once a week seems to work perfectly fine when looking at actual conversion/retention numbers. Some types of content must to update more, others can update even less than once a week. So rather than using your advice with no numbers to support it, I recommend people stick to what they are doing, and do what your numbers tell you. The future is whatever provides the most privacy, based on a technology. Cams are no different than paysites.. not everyone can convert cams, not everyone can convert paysites, and you can always find many people that kill it on both. It's not about being live, or being recorded - it never has been - it's always been about privacy first, and always will be. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-04-2011, 06:02 AM	#4
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,046	One site I promote has 3 exclusive updates per day, 7 day's a week. It's also niche which makes It retain very well. __________________ Hardlinks and blog posts available on a popular blog with DR 43 and over 3000 referring domains. gfynicky @ gmail.com

02-04-2011, 07:59 AM	#13
myjah Back in the harbor Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 11,482	I think what you are describing is already in place. CamZFeeds.com. __________________ VP of Marketing AVN Media Network Skype: AVNJill [email protected]

02-04-2011, 08:29 AM	#14
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	it's already being done, shared camshows between different paysites isn't a new idea. and they don't mean much when it comes to rebills, camshows in general don't mean much, it's a very small %, at most 10%, of solo girl site members who view the camshows. i gave the members of my solo girl site a chance to voice their opinion - i asked them whether they'd prefer Jewel to be part of a camshow network where they could also see other solo girl site models' camshows OR keep Jewel's camshows exclusive to her members only. They answered unanimously that they joined the site for Jewel, they'd rather have her to themselves. She's a busy student so I can't ask her to do 2 shows a week - if she wasn't so busy I'd get her to do one members only show a week and another on a shared camshow network. Live camshows are and always have been grossly overrated on paysites. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

02-04-2011, 07:53 AM	#12
Altwebdesign Guest Posts: n/a	here he goes. .. . :D

02-04-2011, 08:53 AM	#15
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02-04-2011, 09:22 AM	#17
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02-04-2011, 09:24 AM	#18
BestXXXPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 2,277	@TheDoc It's not about privacy as much as it is about content... Content is still king and always will be... IMO __________________ ICQ: 258-202-811 \| Email: eric{at}bestxxxporn.com

02-04-2011, 11:13 AM	#23
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 91,437	"That's what Eva said", j/k! __________________ Get Your Free Backlinks Today 149 URLs to pick from - Go To The Thread here! Join the SWAG Affiliate Asian Live Cam Program Non-Saturated Models and Exclusive Content.

02-04-2011, 12:01 PM	#26
DigitalTheory ^-^ Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SacTown Posts: 1,055	There is something like this in the sologirl niche. I do not know if you read my response in that other thread, as it was kind of long, but let me quote myself for you Basically, someone signs up for any one of these girls site they get access to all the member cam shows of all the other girls who are signed up with Yourdailycams or babechat, ran by the following, with the following girls pinkvelvetvault The girls at pinkvelvetvault including madden, nikki, lynn, briannalee and a few others, they also run yourdaily cams which links up a few different models and gives members aabout 30 hours of solo girl cam chats a week, as far as i know there are about 20 models. angelasommers baileyknox bellaxoxo bellabellini blueyedcass breeroxx brianaleeonline brookemarks carlottacampagne destinydixon diamondjames emberreigns emmaink idelsy ivysnow janessabrazil krissyskitty laceybrooks lindsroxx lynnpops meetmadden melanieelyza melissaxoxo midoriwest mistygates nikkisplaymates rachelsexton taylortrue now onto my other fav bellacash The bellacash girls convert and cam. James, the owner runs babechat.net which is like yourdailycams, in fact they recently split the one program (babechat) into two, ran by different people. baileyknox bellabellini brookemarks bryci carlottachampagne destinydixon devonalexis ivysnow janessabrazil katiebanks mallymartin mistygates monroelee natalienice rachelsexton and taliashepard The difference between the two, if I remember correctly is, babechat does not allow hardcore on cam, and that is where yourdailycams comes into play. Dont quote me on it, but I know that was somewhat the situation around the split.

02-05-2011, 05:14 AM	#32
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I just have to post again and say.... If you can't figure out people need alone time to enjoy porn, and that alone time is called privacy, the type of privacy EVERYONE looks for when it comes to porn..... Then truly - you are an idiot and shouldn't be allowed in this Industry. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 02-05-2011 at 05:16 AM..

02-05-2011, 05:37 AM	#33
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	I don't get the programs who cannot even be bothered to update once a month. Preferably the tour as well. It can make a big difference for conversions and rebills at that threshold. Last edited by signupdamnit; 02-05-2011 at 05:38 AM..

02-05-2011, 05:53 AM	#34
AG_Downunder Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aussie Posts: 168	This thread and many others like this is why this industry is going to shit... Surfers come on, look through the info and ideas everyone comes up with... Why don't we just call GFY a tube site and be done with it. __________________ Mail - troyg09[@]gmail[.]com[/COLOR]