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01-26-2011, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by DamianJ

Citation needed.

I would put usenet and private ftp sites above torrents. But that is 'pulling it out of my arse' maths. Do you have anything to back up your claim, or are you just guessing and stating is as fact?

Forums are the biggest source of piracy online.. They feed, seed, everything - from newsgroups, torrents, tubes, etc... Forums rip paysites, entire member areas, zero minute ripped as the sites update - every site that's worth a crap, every bit of content they have.

Piracy tubes don't download all our shit every day from all the hell over, that's crazy. They pull it from single sources, forums. Which is why same scenes get re-pirated, over and over - it was simply scrapped again.

That's just the really private/group forums (and every group, has a forum).. they actually feed user forums, based on request/demand. Some of these forums are so large, they can crash gallery boxes that can normally take the load of all the traffic sources of our industry, but not a single Piracy forum.

Piracy is what I started in, it's what has made me the most money, about 90% of all the money I've made is through Piracy traffic. I know which sources were big and dried up and I know what's hot today.. And today it's still the best way to build lists on the Internet...

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01-26-2011, 11:22 AM

Is the time spent doing this worth the end result?

It's about business and profit. As I see it it would need a lot of effort to sustain and how many of the downloaders would just go to Tubes for their free porn?

Piracy pisses me off because it's ultimately someone making a profit form mine or other producers hard work. But stopping piracy won't bring back the millions of lost customers we pissed off over the years. That will only be done by tailoring the product to fit their needs 100%.

Anything short of it these days will just mean a boost in Tubes traffic and a slight increase in sign ups. Customers have options these days and they are making the one that suits them best.

I was lucky enough to make my money in the days when the customer had to buy and was treated like a customer and not a mug to fleece.

Credit to Damian, he's thinking of ways to stop piracy.

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01-26-2011, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

Piracy is what I started in, it's what has made me the most money, about 90% of all the money I've made is through Piracy traffic. I know which sources were big and dried up and I know what's hot today.. And today it's still the best way to build lists on the Internet...

It's strange when scum actually boast about making money from others hard work.

How would he feel if we pirated his work?

As pissed off as those being pirated from.

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01-26-2011, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

It's strange when scum actually boast about making money from others hard work.

How would he feel if we pirated his work?

As pissed off as those being pirated from.

It's stranger when you open your mouth like you know what you're talking about.

I produce my own content, I've pirated my own content from day one... I wouldn't pirate your content, nobody would click on it.

I've made more from piracy in the last 15 years than you've made your entire time in this Industry - that should probably piss you off.

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01-26-2011, 11:59 AM

http://www.peermediatech.com/services.html

They "leak" fake torrents with 10K seeders/leechers and a 5mb file. Yeah.. that always works.

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01-26-2011, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by TheDoc

Forums are the biggest source of piracy online.. They feed, seed, everything - from newsgroups, torrents, tubes, etc... Forums rip paysites, entire member areas, zero minute ripped as the sites update - every site that's worth a crap, every bit of content they have.

Piracy tubes don't download all our shit every day from all the hell over, that's crazy. They pull it from single sources, forums. Which is why same scenes get re-pirated, over and over - it was simply scrapped again.

That's just the really private/group forums (and every group, has a forum).. they actually feed user forums, based on request/demand. Some of these forums are so large, they can crash gallery boxes that can normally take the load of all the traffic sources of our industry, but not a single Piracy forum.

Piracy is what I started in, it's what has made me the most money, about 90% of all the money I've made is through Piracy traffic. I know which sources were big and dried up and I know what's hot today.. And today it's still the best way to build lists on the Internet...

Indeed.. 'one-click' forums are far easier to use then say yEnc and NNTP. Usenet has always had problems with the propagation of files... thus the need for all those CRC's and micro file splitting.
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01-26-2011, 12:34 PM

Have you read what torrent site owners are claiming about the new agressive anti-piracy measure of suing torrent users? They are calling it BLACKMAIL!!!

BLACKMAIL
BLACKMAIL
BLACKMAIL

that is the pirates pathetic mantra to try to fend off this existential threat to thier existence.

Intersting that the OP of this thread has the exact same mantra...

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01-26-2011, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by woj

not a bad idea, but it's not as easy to pull off as you make it sound, so you seed a fake, few people download it, and then guess what happens? someone posts "fake!" and then it's all over... and those users aren't buyers anyway...

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01-26-2011, 12:49 PM

Forgive my naive question, but the major mainstream studios are facing piracy from DVD copying and/or pre-DVD leeching? Adult studios are facing downright theft from downloading then uploading to torrent.

Naive maybe but that's how I see it - so why is removing the obvious leak in pirating - ie the downloading, a problem? Why do so many people still scream "cos our members demand it". Is it your members or you pirates that demand it? If a member can see a stream and it's good quality why does he need to download it?

I just get the impression that people's examples of a "good stream" is a long way away from what a "good stream" actually is....

Either it requires a big frikken brick to the face of some content delivery people, or I'm really naive. I don't care btw to be naive, if someone can prove my argument wrong....

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01-26-2011, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by u-Bob

I've been saying it for years... fake torrents, fake trackers (filled with ads and popups), fake rapidshare forums,...

Yeah because that doesn't open a legal can of worms.

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01-26-2011, 12:53 PM

Not a bad idea? It's a fucking stupid idea that is proven not to work.

Hell Madonna was doing this back in the Napster days are you guys kidding me?

Suing torrent users is working, this thread is just a lame attempt by the biggest cheerleader the pirates ever had, just Damians weak attempt to seem anti-piracy.

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01-26-2011, 12:54 PM

there are "trusted" members on such sites and you can do a shit to stop them posting all real shit

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01-26-2011, 12:56 PM

Call it a shameful plug if you want, but people really interested in a pirate-free solution, please get in contact with me by email. There is an app in the pipeline that atm is purely tube-based but will extent easily to member0site based and then to VoD-based. The people using it live are 100% happy with it and it will be released as a commercial package very shortly.

I can't stand this whining of pirating when the entire industry does FA to protect itself against it... those that actually care do protect themselves - for the rest let them die.
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01-26-2011, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by mafia_man

Yeah because that doesn't open a legal can of worms.

how? why?
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01-27-2011, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

It's stranger when you open your mouth like you know what you're talking about.

I produce my own content, I've pirated my own content from day one... I wouldn't pirate your content, nobody would click on it.

I've made more from piracy in the last 15 years than you've made your entire time in this Industry - that should probably piss you off.

So where's your paysite?

Easy to blurt out now that you upload your own content. Now show us where it came from.

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