Adult Business 2011: Who does money and who doesn't ?

[Lamis]

Who does money:

1) Webcam Sponsors: They are doing more money than ever. If they support illegal sites like AWEMPIRE does with file sharing sites, they do even more money. (Period) Myfreecams is probably doing more than 1 million per month profit (And im not even close I think)

2) Webcam Whores: They are the "Adult Webmasters" of 2001... While adult webmasters are almost all broke, average Webcam Whores are doing 10K - 15K per month, by working only a few hours every day. The same as most gallery submitters did 6 years ago.

3) Dating sponsors: Same as 1).

4) Average Joes shooting their own niche content or with something very unique. They can do money for some time, but if they don't improve something new, they will be dead. If you pretend to do some bucks shotting your home made content and selling on clipstore all your life, you are dead wrong.

5) GF sites and all that bullshit are doing some bucks right now but will be dead pretty soon (if not already).

6) Illegal tubes with illegal sponsors supporting them.

7) Sponsor owners with loyal big whale affiliates with thousands of rebills from 2005... These guys are surviving of course. But they only represent a small percentage of all adult sponsors.



Who doesn't and who is BROKE ?

1) Gallery sumitters: Most gallery submitters quit adult. One that was very known was a dutch webmaster called NYLZ, maybe you remember him? He is now involved in POKER. I name him, because he's just an example of what happened to most of these guys.

2) TGPs-MGPs: Another model that is pretty DEAD.

3) Although blogging is a nice way to make some bucks, the truth is that only a few percentage of gallery submitters who turned bloggers, are doing the same money as before. You can't pretend to make some bucks if you blog and convert at 1:4000 for a niche BDSM sponsor that has all his content given away for free at oron, sharingmatrix, deposit, filexonic, and 1000 sites more.


Of course someone can come and say: "ehhhh yyy im a gallery submitter and i still do money"... ---> what I said above applies to 95% of people.


Feel free to add any other points.

[pristine]

didn't read any of that because you're a nobody.

[Paul Markham]

In truth few are doing decent money. They all try to put a brave face on it but the good days are over. If you haven't made enough money to retire on start thinking about the future.

I'm sure Manwin, hahaha and a few other will be the last out. But even they can't sella product the consumer can get for free everywhere.

[topnotch, standup guy]

A far more interesting question would be who's honest and still makes money?

Anybody?
.

[jonnydoe]

Originally Posted by pristine

didn't read any of that because you're a nobody.

Interesting comment from someone with a Dec. 2010 join date.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

A far more interesting question would be who's honest and still makes money?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by jonnydoe

Interesting comment from someone with a Dec. 2010 join date.

He's been around much longer than that.

[theking]

Originally Posted by jonnydoe

Interesting comment from someone with a Dec. 2010 join date.

He has been banned so many times that I doubt even he can remember how many times.

[Dwreck]

Lamis Did you get the csv file to the Onhercam video's? I wanted to follow up....

[Choker]

I agree with you 100%

[CaptainHowdy]

Tranny dating...

[Lassitor]

Makes sense that the webcams and cam girls are making the money, at the moment. But that will die in time as well as more girls go online seeking internet riches and more will give it away for free in order to promote other projects to simply to drive traffic to ad sponsor sites.

The major dating sites may also go away for the same reasons cited above.

Producers who make Adult Films where there is a storyline and is not just focusing on the sexual acts, will aways have sales. I am actually seeing more adult theaters opening where they have exclusive content. I suspect that new releases will be initially released in such theaters before being released for internet distribution. You may even see Fantasies and many more adult bookstores install small theaters.

[{Psycho}]

Good show mate

[FlexxAeon]

one thing is for sure. this whole mess is separating the men from the boys.

[TheDoc]

A few cam chicks make great money, the majority failed and dropped out before they made anything.

$10-$15k a month is nice money, it's perfect for the very small business with one staff member - but it's not really anything compared to what many affiliates in our Industry make.

Pretty much everyone in adult today makes money several different ways. Very few of us have ever 'only' built galleries - it was just another way to make money. And before that it was Link Lists, then Free Hosts, then CJ's - The progression has never stopped.

Probably a 1,000 different ways to build/drive traffic online today... so stop worrying about yesterday's old techniques and focus on what is working today.

[jesse_adultdatingdollars]

didnt read a word of that ramble

[Lamis]

Originally Posted by Dwreck

Lamis Did you get the csv file to the Onhercam video's? I wanted to follow up....

nope, still got nothing.

[fris]

Originally Posted by pristine

didn't read any of that because you're a nobody.

hes always negative because he used to make money and isnt now, and is more angry than an angry bird.

[FreeHugeMovies]

I miss NYLZ

[Lamis]

Originally Posted by fris

hes always negative because he used to make money and isnt now, and is more angry than an angry bird.

It looks like you are looking at the mirror, Christopher McFly.

[fris]

Originally Posted by Lamis

It looks like you are looking at the mirror, Christopher McFly.

except the fact i actually do generate traffic and sales, and yet I don't have to complain on a daily basis that everything is going to shit.

[BIGTYMER]

Adapt or Die

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Join me, and we will scrape the interwebs as father and son!

[fris]

Originally Posted by theking

He has been banned so many times that I doubt even he can remember how many times.

He goes by many names, alex2002, alex2006, both banned from here.

Acer on askdx.

Im sure you could dig up a few others.

[fris]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Adapt or Die

excatly, im sure alex/mike hast done this since running that joke of a tgp adulthugemovies.com, which was his flagship site, now its just a failed attempt at some sort of site.

i have sites that are just used for development with better rankings than that pile of heap.

[Lamis]

Pretty interesting:

webhostingtalk.com/archive/index.php/t-112522.html



I think you got OWNED, FRIS:

http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/m...t=banana-1.mp4



hahahaha.


just google and you will find more about this loser..

Do you remember SERIOUS_BUSINESS??

Man, you are FULL OF SHIT, dude.

That's the way you say you do money?

I would never ever do business with someone like FRIS, everyone STAY ALERT and stay away of this sucker.


Now go ahead, BURN your little brain, and use 1 hour of your time to do some reverse engenering. LOL.


You are OWNED, loser.

[Chris]

Yall really cant forget about the herbal side of things

we are something that you can not get for free - surfers that once spent money on porn have money to spent elsewhere.

we have not seen a sales slow down at all

[fris]

im not hiding from my past, and yes i changed my nick, and i told everyone i was serious business, i changed it because everyone who knew me knew I would always say it all the time.

as we are posting stupid urls i may as well post this one

www.adulthugemovies.com

now i understand why you make all these posts why you arent making any money.

I would be *owned* if those urls werent posted before.

Im not hiding who I am, what are you hiding from Alex/Mike Pearson?

;)

[Lamis]

Check this thread guys:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=833573


You are really full of shit, FRIS aka Serious Business.

[fris]

Im not hiding who I am, how come you change nicks so often?

This is like your 3rd or 4th nick on here.

You are posting urls people have already seen, its not like it bothers me, why dont you post something more useful, like you claim i am "owned".

Alex, You have been attacking me on forums since 2008, its nothing new for me so I am use to it.

When you have a juicy link that everyone hasnt seen then that will be interesting.

[Lamis]

People will love to see all those threads, dude.

People will love to refresh their memories and im sure there are lots of folks who don't know your DIRTY PAST that says who you are today.

Enjoy, haha.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

A few cam chicks make great money, the majority failed and dropped out before they made anything.

$10-$15k a month is nice money, it's perfect for the very small business with one staff member - but it's not really anything compared to what many affiliates in our Industry make.

Pretty much everyone in adult today makes money several different ways. Very few of us have ever 'only' built galleries - it was just another way to make money. And before that it was Link Lists, then Free Hosts, then CJ's - The progression has never stopped.

Probably a 1,000 different ways to build/drive traffic online today... so stop worrying about yesterday's old techniques and focus on what is working today.

TheDoc, always speakin' the truth. Well said.

Most of the naysayers just lack the ability to innovate.

[Miguel T]

"If you can't beat them, join them".

[fris]

Originally Posted by Lamis

People will love to see all those threads, dude.

People will love to refresh their memories and im sure there are lots of folks who don't know your DIRTY PAST that says who you are today.

Enjoy, haha.

I would rather be someone with a dirty past and making money, then someone with a clean past (doubltful) and be a broke fuck like you.

Everyone has a past, I dont deny mine, you obviously are hiding from something with all these nicknames.

I really do hope you solve your anger issues one day and get the right medication that fits.

[Barefootsies]

[TheSenator]

There is no money in blogging.

[ry0t]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

one thing is for sure. this whole mess is separating the men from the boys.

finally - get these nobodies out of here so they will stop polluting the web with free porn and junk articles in the search engines.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

one thing is for sure. this whole mess is separating the men from the boys.

True dat top notch.

[pristine]

free porn isn't going anywhere

[fris]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

There is no money in blogging.

no kidding ;)

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by pristine

didn't read any of that because you're a nobody.

And you are ?

[SpicyM]

The fall of TGPs was a true disaster for adult webmasters. Now, if you are not doing tubes, your traffic basically depends on just one site.. google.com

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

The fall of TGPs was a true disaster for adult webmasters. Now, if you are not doing tubes, your traffic basically depends on just one site.. google.com

And holding onto that traffic depends on one thing. Your ability to give away as much free porn as possible. = Reasons not to buy.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by jonnydoe

Interesting comment from someone with a Dec. 2010 join date.

Haha nicely done.

[black1000]

I agree with what you said before about traffic, first there were top lists, then TGPs (currently most of them dead). Sure, the Net is evolving just like everything else but where the heck are those people now? I'm in leg/nylon niche and while my conversion is still very good I have 1/3-rd of traffic I had 5 years ago. Any brilliant ideas?

[Sexy Rex]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

A far more interesting question would be who's honest and still makes money?

Anybody?
.

We are. 2010 has been best year to date for VirtuaGirl and our affiliates.




If you got porn traffic, maybe you should give a shot to DeskBabes, the porn version of VirtuaGirl.



.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by black1000

I agree with what you said before about traffic, first there were top lists, then TGPs (currently most of them dead). Sure, the Net is evolving just like everything else but where the heck are those people now? I'm in leg/nylon niche and while my conversion is still very good I have 1/3-rd of traffic I had 5 years ago. Any brilliant ideas?

TUBEs.. google serves them in searches

[signupdamnit]

It's harder than ever but you can still make good money. You won't be able to do what everyone else is doing and expect to make much though. I think the first thing established wemasters should do is look to pick up as much money that they are currently leaving on the table as they possibly can. Make sure you are doing everything you can to increase the chances of success with what you have right now. Most of the people reading this could likely increase their bottom line as much as 30% just by doing this. And it's easy with no risk or additional resources necessary. Just a little intelligence and focus.

Next thing to do is increase efficiency and reduce your overhead. Are you paying $500 for hosting when you can get comparable quality hosting (with recommendations from people you trust) for $200? Reduce your expenses in that way. It'll give you better security and more to invest.

Then start sending out those feelers to see what works and what doesn't. Keep track of it. Continually go for what returns the most for your time and resources. Don't stay stuck doing one dwindling thing over and over again.

DON'T FOLLOW THE SHEEP. If you've spent any amount of the time in the industry and haven't learned that for the most part the sheep are led around to be someone's meal then you're lost. You need to make money yourself. Make sure you're not just making money for someone else instead. Think for yourself!

I hope this helps someone decent out there.

[Cherry7]

If galleries are dead can anyone explain how they still manage to charge $100 a link, and a lot have that much advertising that they don't even respond to requests for advertising space. For example we emailed Milkman about buying spots and he/she never replied.

look at the competition for aduld adwords and see how much people are bidding, they seem to have money there.

If the adult market was failing would not the price of traffic be falling ?

The problem is that advertising and traffic is expensive and conversions hard.

The other problem is a lack of sites that have real original content and therefore real visitors/traffic where we can get traffic and sales from.

When I look at our affiliates that make sales they all have interesting quirky sites with good content, and their sales with us have gone up as we have grown.

[seeandsee]

nice read, going into webcam modeling, i just need to plug pussy instead of fat cock