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This would do nothing to increase the quality of the police force. How many people have you worked with over the years that have had degrees and were clueless. I know a lot of cops both with and without degrees and there is no evidence that having this degree makes them a better cop. For that matter I would say of the cops I know some of those that I would say are the least capable are the ones with degrees. I'm not saying the degree caused it, but they are very book smart, not street smart. As a friend of mine put it, "Being a good cop all comes down to how well you deal with crazy bitches." Until they start teaching a Dealing with Crazy Bitches 101 in college, this is useless.

Some departments have this, other's don't, but I agree that it should be mandatory.

Many cops do live in the city they serve in, but this isn't something that is realistic for some people. Sure, living in an area might help you get to know it a little better, but it could also open you and your family up to other issues. The last thing I would want is some crazy fuck that I have arrested 10 times being able to easily find out where I live, what my kids look like and where they hang out/go to school.

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Agreed, typically the higher the pay scale the more applicants you get and more selective you can be.

You might be surprised at how hard it is to get a job as a cop in some areas. Big cities are a lot easier because they always need people, but in the town I live in they had one opening recently and they had 135 people apply for it and that was without making it widely known that it was open. That was just telling the union that they were interviewing. If they would have advertised it they would have gotten two or three times that many applicants.

LOL I sometimes forget.

So then the show "Cops" would be no more, right?

That can be looked at a few ways. It's quite possible that there are many corrupt cops in Chicago as in other cities around the country.

However I guarantee you there are a million more scumbag murderers, rapists and utter dregs of humanity which they have to face for shit pay day in and day out.

I've had a fair amount of dealings with police from California, Washington, Louisiana and all over and 80% of the time they've been pretty decent.

Having been to Chicago a few times, as well as New York, Los Angeles etc, you could not pay me enough to be a cop in a big city.

I would totally agree with you. Those detectives are for the most part "real" cops.
The ones who seem to have the inferiority complex and beat the shit out of everybody are the traffic cops and patrol cops in cars. Especially traffic cops...those guys aren't much more than money collectors for the city and the car insurance companies. I'd be ashamed to be one of them.

Now the small group of detectives who actually do real police work? I've never come into contact with them. It's always been uniformed patrol clowns... and like most folks...9 times out of ten it's been a bad experience which left me and my family scared to death.

When I see on the news that a city is going to fire 30% of it's police force I say "GOOD". As long as it's a bunch of fucking useless traffic cop nazi's.

The news always paints it like the town will suddenly be in danger...but that will only be if they fired all the real cops. If they fired every goddamn one of the piece of shit motorcycle cops here in Vegas who do nothing but sit in quiet neighborhoods like mine and spend the whole day ticketing soccer moms for the insurance company....this town wouldn't be one bit less secure from crime.

Funny how some people think we should ban guns, why? so the police can protect us? LMAO

All have just started

You can have power over people as long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything, he's no longer in your power.

ALEKSANDR SOLZHENITSYN

This too will end, they only have this control for the one having something to lose. Grate thing about power is it always shifts. Ebb and flow...

Oh, well that convinced me. You heard a story so it must apply to all cops. :1orglaugh

I'm a believer NOW!!!!!


This is just plane insane.

The only way he can avoid the charge is to anticipate the cops stopping
him and shut the camera down before any cop is in the video frame.

He had no time to shut off the camera (which is clearly visible on his helmet anyway).

Even if he had time to shut it off this is still a bullshit law.


This guy in no way interfered with the cops ability to do his job.
No way he violated any reasonable laws (beyond traffic laws).

My apologies to the OP here, because I honestly did not even consider that our
laws could ever be this stupid in this day and age.


I'm blow away by this.

WTF.


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I discussed one single case, yet as I said, there are numerous others in the past year alone. Those all did not involve the same police officers as you are trying to suggest. So your argument that it only includes a small percentage of the force is incorrect and you are trying to rewrite my argument. In every case, the social circle around the bad cop steps to his defense and they are a different circle of cops in each incident. At what point do you start to realize that this is a pervasive problem throughout the entire force when several random circles of bad officers all act the same way to protect their own when they are obviously guilty of violent crimes?

You mean you actually visited Youtube? lol you fucking noob

sad but true.

Same's happening in the UK. It's illegal to film the police... even if you're press. Of course they don't enforce it all the time, but you can bet your ass they will use it if you catch them doing something wrong.

Exactly, and somehow that's not eavesdropping or invasion of privacy.

I would have never believed anything I said on 911 would ever be in the news until
recently.

It's not about right or wrong, it's about power and the citizen has no power compared
to police or news media or anyone with a TV show.
They can show and record anything they want outside of CP and some people think
"Skins" is doing CP and getting away with it.

I watched about 15 seconds of skins last night while channel surfing. What exactly is CP about it? The characters seem to be a little old to be considered CP . . . . or once again, the populace has no clue as to what constitutes CP.

STFU male slut. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


I use youtube, but I simply didn't believe this post because we do have a constitution
that clearly make these laws illegal in my mind.

I mean, where is this person right to produce evidence to prove his own innocence?

And if the cops raid your home and you don't have time to shut the security camera's
down, do you still get charged with illegal recording even if the raid does not find
any other criminal activity?

I'm not saying it's CP.

I've never even seen the show.

I'm just saying that I have seen some people attack the show with CP allegations.

And based on what I read in the allegations, the allegations seem like pure BS!

So you are probably calling this one 100% right.

You convinced me years ago. No worries there.

cops..cant live with em..cant live without em.


I am not man...i am not dude i am officer rivieri !



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From my understanding, aren't employers supposed to be able to oversee their employees?

Seems like the cops forget who they work for.

I am in Illinois...you have to be here to understand it and then you just scratch your head. Politics are bizarre and law enforcement is on the verge of some odd naziism (sp?). I read an article in the paper the other day about a black guy getting royally fucked and held up by the cops for nothing, for hours, and thought man if he would have taped it on his phone. So they can tape you but you cannot tape them?

It sounds to me like you answer your own question. It is his social circle that steps forward. a cop fucks up and his friends step up to defend him. A different cop fucks up and his friends step up to defend him. It has less to do with all cops being bad and more to do with them wanting to help a friend or someone they feel is being wronged. Sometimes people are blinded by loyalty and friendship. It doesn't make it it right, but it happens every day.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying every cop is good. There are bad cops. I understand that. But in my experience most of them are not bad cops. Most of them go to work, do their job and go home. they aren't dirty, they aren't criminals, but we don't hear about them.

Again there are 15,000 cops in Chicago. Even if 1,500 of them are dirty, that means 90% of them are not.

I can give you a bunch of examples of various people in this business screwing people over and stealing money/content etc. Does that mean that everyone in this business is a thief and a scumbag?

THIS!!!

a friend of mine who used to do TONS of drugs did the university of phoenix online criminal justice course and is now a sheriff in orange country.

The Associated Press reported the following case from New London, Connecticut: "A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.

"The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court?s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test."

In 1996, Jordan scored 33 points on the police exam which is the equivalent of an IQ of 125 (well above average, but 15 points short of the traditional "genius" cutoff of 140).

"But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training."

Associated Press reports that the national average for police officers is an IQ of 104, or slightly above average.

The U.S. District Court ruled the New London police had a reasonable explanation for their policy of rejecting applicants who were too intelligent -- they might get easily bored and leave the job after receiving costly training. On August 23, 2000 the Second Circuit Court agreed.

Robert Jordan has been working as a prison guard since his rejection by New London police. Apparently prison authorities don't care of Jordan is too intelligent for the guard job; or maybe prison guards have to be smarter than police recruits. (Associated Press as published by ABC News 09/08/00)

COPS once had to edit out where an officer in a multi-state, multi-car chase pulled the guy out of the stolen car and beat him. Cop got fired. Cop's brother somehow managed to beat a charge of killing an unarmed security guard for no reason other than he was black & had tried to get on the police force
I did some time o a drug rap. Only bad prison guard was an ex-city cop. Didn't understand it's where we live. His attitude was it's a police stop not just talking to an inmate. Confrontational always.

Great point and often overlooked. Very much like the rest of society...just takes a few bad apples which there will always surely be. But, it is an unusually odd government and law enforcement system.

People, for fuck sake, stand up and kick some asses! Tell them who pays their saleries and remind them that they are working for the people and not the other way around.

Some things are worth fighting for, like that. Dont accept it, fight it!

Best offensive, learn the law, beat the shit out of the cops with your mouth and brain.

And film it and put on youtube.. hard to argu against that.

I have seem some of your other posts and you are way too smart to make this argument.

You have to know that if 10% of a group are wrongdoers and the other 90% are silent, you have a terribly corrupt system. It's the silence that allows corrupt systems to flourish. Have you ever heard the phrase "All evil needs to do to succeed is for good people to stand by and do nothing"?

Secondly, we are not talking about "friends" protecting other friends. These are police officers, people who have taken an oath and accept a paycheck in return for upholding the law and enforcing it equally. When they choose to be cops, they accept to be held to a higher standard.

BTW, do you want to defend the off duty Chicago cop who got drunk and crashed head on into another car and killed a kid, the cop was unharmed. How did his fellow cops respond? They held a fundraiser FOR THE COP that killed the kid. Not only that, they organized the fund during work hours, on the taxpayer's dime and held it at a police owned location. What kind of perversion is it when a parent loses a child as the result of a drunk cop and the parent's own tax dollars are used to raise money for the cop that killed their son?

These examples show that police officers see themselves as infallible and above any blame or wrongdoing. Maybe other cops see it as wrong, but their silence is a tacit endorsement of the behavior and culture.

I'm not saying all cops are bad and in smaller communities where the police live among the people they serve, it's much less common. But in big cities, it's a real problem.

In the end I think what it boils down to is that you think they are far more corrupt than they probably are and I think they are less corrupt than they probably are.

To respond to your point about the drunk cop driving, hitting someone and killing them then his fellow cops throwing a fundraiser for him while on duty. That sounds bad if that is how it really went down. However, I don't think they were trying to justify or defend what he did, they were most likely raising money for a friend/co-worker and made a stupid decision about how and when to do this. I'm sure there have been other cases where this kind of thing has happened, but because they aren't cops we don't hear about it. Still, I have always felt that cops should be held to a higher standard so if this really happened as you say it did something should be done about it.

One last point. I don't see the silence of most cops as their endorsing this behavior, but as a mode of both self and career preservation. When a normal person goes to work they have a pretty black and white job, when a cop goes to work often much of their day involves judgement calls. If they get a reputation as the guy who will call you out if you do something wrong a lot of people won't trust or want to work with that person and it could put them in harms way. Most cops spend their entire day being lied to so when something goes down they typically are going to side with a fellow cop. That said, when it is obvious corruption and there is obvious wrong doing they should speak up and say that they don't endorse that and I know that often do, but that isn't a sexy headline that makes for a good Youtube video or a front page story so we only hear about the ones that are truly fucked up.

I will agree with that, the actual level of wrongdoing is probably somewhere between our two viewpoints. Also, I live in Chicago, so perhaps my view is a little jaded as Chicago police corruption is legendary.

But just to be clear, I do believe there are good cops out there, perhaps it's just the culture that keeps those good cops from speaking up and keeping the bad cops in check, and that's what perpetuates the problem, at least in Chicago.

For sure. I would imagine if I lived in a big city where I was exposed more to that kind of stuff I might have a point of view that is a little more skewed. I think part of it too is that a couple of my really good friends are cops and they are good guys and good cops so the cops I know are through them and they are also good guys and good cops. If I were to meet a cop that was corrupt or was introduced to people through them that were not good cops I would guess my opinion of it may be different as well. But, like you said, in a small town things are a lot different. I live across the street from the mayor and know most of the city officials pretty well. If a cop were to do something bad here (and we had a pretty big deal about 3-4 years ago where a cop was buying steroids from a dealer and selling them to a couple of high school kids) it gets outed pretty quickly and if you speak up against it there isn't a large contingent of people who might later use that against you like you could have in big city.

What if they wanted to make some content? :pimp